Does Berdych have any chance of winning a slam

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    Tomas Berdych is a player I had high hopes for 4-5 years ago. However even after finally becoming a consistent top 10 player for the first time ever, it seems like his hopes of ever winning a slam are dwindling. Especialy when he would possibly have to beat Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal all in a row to win one. He hasnt beaten Nadal since 2006, winning only 2 sets on a variety of surfaces, and seems spooked by him ever since the Wimbledon 2007 smackdown when I think he felt he had a great shot to win and make the final but got destroyed. Now even when Nadal plays average and Berdych is on fire Nadal usually wins easily (eg- 2010 Wimbledon final). He cant compete with Djokovic outside of grass it seems. Murray he does fairly well against. His best chance vs Federer at this point seems to be grass or fast courts outside of indoors. He still isnt intimidating to the regulars on tour, and can easily fall to anyone in the top 20 or outside it at any given time.

    Does he have enough game, ability, or even a real chance to win a slam or make a big move to being a top 5 regular before he retires.
     
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  2. monfed

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    Berdych was a point away from going up 2-0 in sets against Ralph in AO 2012. I agree that doesn't equate to winning, but it means he got mighty close. It indicates that he lacks the mental clutchness OR simply luck.

    In short - Berdych inexplicably folds when there's a momentum shift against him. But his game is good enough to beat anyone on a given day,especially Nadal.
     
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  3. Larrysümmers

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    yes. if the tourny 'opens' up he could sneak on through. though i could see him being the favorite and just choking to someone like Fish bahaha
     
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  4. Tammo

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    Every player in the draw has a chance (except Donald Young) even though it may very small. It also depends which slam, Berdych will probably have maybe 9% Wimbledon.
     
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  5. li0scc0

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    Berdych has the talent, the A game, to win a Major.
    The problem has been his level of consistency of playing that A game is not enough.
    Watching him dismantle Murray and then his first set against Djokovic, he definitely could win a major.
     
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    Yes, absolutely! He has a great game (especially to watch unlike some of the other top players). But, what makes his game pleasing to the eye (flat, powerful strokes) is also his weakness: less margin than the other top guys. Given how fast players are today, its just extremely difficult to hit through them. Improvisation and spin are rewarded far more greatly than power and accuracy in today's game (kinda sad).
     
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  7. Mainad

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    Berdych's game, when it is working, is simple but effective. IMO it is 60% powerful serve and 40% powerful groundstrokes. But he needs the serve to be working, for his game to pan out and that is often the probable for him, especially when he comes up against higher-ranked players,his consistency. Too often I have seen him steadily making his way through the draw serving and hitting powerfully until he faces the top guys. Against Murray, he usually plays his best tennis and more often than not overcomes Murray's usually tenacious defence with it. Then he will move on to one of the top 3 and his service level will suddenly drop, he will be pinned back to the baseline, and then simply outplayed. I have seen this happen quite often and Monte Carlo was a perfect example of it.

    In short, his game certainly has potential but his consistency with it is a serious problem against the higher-ranked players who he will have to beat back to back in order to have a chance at winning a Slam. It is almost certainly a mental thing. Against the likes of Murray, he plays with confidence because he knows he usually beats him. Against the top 3, he is much less confident because his record against them is far worse and so he ends up playing worse. So it's a bit of a vicious circle for him.

    IMO unless he can gain the confidence to play his best game consistently against the top 3, his best chance will be if the draw unexpectedly opens for him and most of the top ones fall out before he can get to them.
     
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  8. christo

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    For a guy 6' 5'' it's simply baffling that his first serve percentage is abysmal. It's not like he's serving bombs on his first serve. He should be just blowing guys away with a big first serve but they always hit the tape
    Murray's serve is even worse, it was dreadful against Berdych.
     
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    He has a chance, as do all of the top 20, but it's not likely. Not enough mobility or mental strength in my opinion.
     
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  10. monfed

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    Yea, waiting forever to strike the ball when it hits the stratosphere gotta mess his timing up a bit.
     
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  11. jaap deboeck

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    Check out how many times in his carrer Tomas has progressed to the 2nd week of a Slam. It's once every 9 or so times, hardly a portent of actually winning one. The fantastic four, unlike in golf, have a virtual vice lock on the biggest events.

    It is rare for outsiders to even win a Masters event! Once every few years a Tsonga or Davydenko or Soderling sneaks through in a Masters.
     
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    Berdych wasn't on fire during the Semifinal and Final against Djokovic and Nadal respectively in the 2010 WB final.

    Berdych played well but not as well as he did against Federer. He beat a Djokovic who was playing crappier tennis than yesterday MC final. Nadal didn't need to play anything special.....Berdych was obviously nervous and kept on attacking Nadal forehand like an idiot. Most of his volleys were to Nadal forehand. The guy didn't adjust his tactics to Nadal leftiness.

    He just wanted to smack and play what was comfortable for him than what was right...while Nadal was willing to do anything to beat him down.

    Berdych should have made the 2010 French Open final as well....had he did. Maybe 2010 Wimbledon final would have been more competitive.

    Berdych best chance would be against Murray/Federer in a final....provided he does not play Nadal in the early rounds. Berdych could beat Djokovic of 2010 and younger, Federer if he keeps his head together, Murray because Berdych knows how to beat him, Nadal....no chance.

    He lost his best chances in 2009 AO 4th round, 2007 Wimbledon QF, 2010 Wimbledon Final, 2010 French Open semifinal. Still Nadal would be in his ways for all of them.

    If Nadal messes up early, and Berdych gets Murray in the semis. Federer beats Djokovic. Berdych would have his best chance right there, if the doesn't let his mind wander.
     
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    where do you find this stuff?
     
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  14. monfed

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    LOL@Senti sir's gif. OMG hahahaha!
     
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    Against all odds he may but according to his performance he wont. He has the talent but needs that extra push to win at the highest level. Its a case similar to Nalbandian who has the talent but will not win one possibly.
     
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    This post is the funniest thing I have read in a while and I agree 110% with it. Awesome!
     
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  17. DeShaun

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    No because he's too emotional/dramatic and one-deimensional a player to take out three top ten guys in a row in the last two weeks of a slam.
     
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    Timed aggression, patience and a cool head serving out matches and he easily can.

    See, Wimbledon 2010.

    Took out Federer and Djokovic.
     
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    I think he's one of the few that I could actually see winning a slam in this era besides the big 4. When he's on his game he owns Murray and can give the others a lot of trouble. I could see him winning in a situation where he gets Murray in the QF, one of the other guys gets upset and he has an easy semi final, and then plays his absolute best during the final. It's not very likely at all, but it COULD happen. I'd say Delpo and Tsonga are the only other ones capable of this.
     
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    No, no chance.
     
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    Can beat anyone on his day. But one of the big four is always around to stop his run.
    I'm never surprised when he beats one of the big boys but beating enough of them to win a major would surprise me greatly.
     
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    About as much of a chance as Coria did, I would say.
     
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    Sure.

    I could see him even beating two of the top 3 back-to-back.
     
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    Nope, he has little to no chance IMO. He can be great in one match but can never keep it together long enough to string a few great matches together against the top players.
     
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    no, there is always someone better
     
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    Yep. He needs a great day serving to make it happen but I'd rate his chances of winning a slam well above Ferrer, Tsonga, Fish etc and probably only just below Murray even.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Berdych even overtook Murray at some stage in terms of year long clout. It'd only take a few small improvements mentally and in his movement plus a few wins to give him some confidence and the sort of results he had at Wimbledon in 2010 would increase.
     
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    His problem is that, while he has a good record against Murray, he has a terrible record against the top 3. It's hard for me to see him beating any of them back to back for any of the top titles, including Masters. His consistency against the higher-ranked players is always suspect. He's 26 now so time is pressing if he is to find the mental strength and consistency he so badly needs to make it to the very top.
     
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    Technically, he does have skills to win a major. However he is mentally very weak. He is simply not consistent enough. Sure, he could beat top guys on a good day, but he can also lose to nobody the next day...

    and yes, as the guy above mentioned, his record against top 3 is horrible. I think that his h2h against Djokovic is something like 9:1, Djokovic. and yeah, he is not getting any younger either. I like Tomas, I like his game but I also think that he simply underachieved in his career. No, I doubt he'll ever win a major.
     
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    Berdych is too much of a tool to win a slam.
     
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  30. NadalAgassi

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    People bring up Wimbledon 2010 but Wimbledon 2010 just shows why it is so hard for players who arent one of the very best to win a major in this era. He had one of the tournaments of his life, he beats Federer in straight sets, Djokovic in straight sets, but then still has to beat Nadal in the final and loses in straight sets. There is a good shot someone outside the top 4 will have to beat 3 players like that in a row to win a major. To do that you have to be really really really good.
     
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