Does Federer have another HC slam in him?

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Can Federer win one more HC slam?

Poll closed May 29, 2013.
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  1. monfed

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    I for one want him to enter double digits in HC slams cause for me he's the HC GOAT(Fast HC GOAT anyway, 5 USO+6 WTF+5 Cincy speaks for itself) and it would be a dang shame if he stays at 9.

    If so, USO/AO? If you chose USO, do you think he could sneak in an AO in the coming years?(given the organisers don't give him a raw deal with the draw ofcourse)
     
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  2. Netspirit

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    Nope, he is done. It has been a good ride though. He still eats the majority of the tour for breakfast, but he is now the weakest of the top 4.
     
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  3. Ico

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    Definitely favor his chances at the USO.
     
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  4. monfed

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    One more USO? No?
     
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  5. tennisbuck

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    Ya know i really would think he is done but at this point we all know better than to doubt him. I wish there was a he will get one or the other option because i can't really call it. I just think he will get one more. He can always catch djokovic on an off day, get nadal hurt, and i still think he could beat murray
     
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  6. Sabratha

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    He has a chance at one more, but after that point he won't win any more.
     
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  7. Netspirit

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    His last USO title was 5 years ago. The courts have been slowed down, becoming Djokovic/Murray's backyard. In addition to those folks, his slower movement makes him even more vulnerable against hard hitters like Berdych.

    Of course he can always get a lucky draw, swine flu can knock out his main opponents, etc. but I would not bet money on that.
     
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  8. Lukhas

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    Why USO and not Wimbledon? AO is too slow for him as it is (though it was faster this year). USo is kinda faster feeling than Wimbledon, but he's still one of the forces on the grass much more than on (fast) hard.

    Then, it's pretty nice to be top 4 and only go to a tournament every month or more. It's much less physically taxing than for the rest of the tour. So before I see him playing again on clay, I wouldn't count him out.

    EDIT: Didn't read the HC part in the title.
     
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  9. President

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    His form after this (really long) break will give us some answers, pointless to speculate now. He looked good at AO, just got hampered by that 5 setter against Tsonga in the QF (Tsonga was playing great) while Murray got an easy QF against Jeremy Chardy of all people, otherwise Federer would have been in the final IMO. After that he was plagued by that back injury, and that ruined his form in the 3 tournaments he played after AO.
     
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  10. BauerAlmeida

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    This Wimbledon is his last chance for a Slam imo.
     
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    One more USO eventually.

    The problems with him at the USO are his bad back and the substantially slowed conditions.

    If the tournament provides faster courts in the next 2 years (which is not inconceivable) and he has a period of good health, he is good for another successful run. If not, it will be extremely difficult.
     
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  12. DeShaun

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    I think he does but it wouldn't be on his racket. Now more than ever he needs a draw to open up that certain way for him to get one more. Nobody puts himself in the position to win slams like Roger- he's reached every quarter final at every slam over the past seven years, so, with a little luck he could definitely win another slam not just on hard court but also clay or grass in my opinion because he goes deep that consistently.
     
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  13. The Meat

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    USO 2013 or 2014 would be his last chance to win a hardcourt slam, don't see him winning AO without having to go through 2 tough grinders at the least.
     
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  14. NEW_BORN

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    His best chance in the last couple of years was the 2011AO.
    Even though he lost in straights, he had opportunities to win each of the first 2 sets and had he won that match, i think he would have taken out Murray in the final.

    I would be happy if he just made one more hard court slam final
     
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  15. spinovic

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    It's possible, but not likely I'd say.

    He definitely needs to be in the half of the draw that gets a day off prior to the finals. I don't think he can go back-to-back and beat Murray and Djokovic on consecutive days. It would be hard enough to do it in 3 days.
     
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  16. kalyan4fedever

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    This.....I would love to see him in the final atleast ..cuz you never know when goderer shows up...:evil:
     
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  17. NadalAgassi

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    Up until a year or two ago it looked like Wimbledon and the U.S Open were his only remaining chances of a slam at this stage in his career. The U.S Open is looking increasingly out of reach however. He hasnt even made the final there in 4 years now, and the U.S Open is as much an endurance test as the French in many ways. He might well not ever win another major, but if he does have another one him, it has to be at Wimbledon.
     
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    He's always got a chance...but that chance is getting smaller every season.
     
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  19. Sentinel

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    He'll take it easy (competitively) in 2013 and 2015 (pre-OG year) and really put on the steam in 2016 (and i think 2014).
     
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  20. DragonBlaze

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    Why do you say that? Don't you mean the AO? Until unless you are referring to the Super Saturday format and then finals on Sunday, however isn't that changing from now on? With the US Open final being on Monday from 2013.
     
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    2011 lost by the skin of his teeth

    Two of those years he was 1 point away from the final. I liked his chances particularly in 2011 if he managed to convert one of those match points against Djokovic. Nadal in 2011 US Open wasn't as strong as in 2010. And Federer was better in 2011 than 2010 - so both those factors would have moved in Federer's favour.
     
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  22. adil1972

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    i will let you know after federer retirement

    hehehheheheh
     
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  23. The Meat

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    Federer 2011 US Open was in great form, it took a prime Djokovic and 5 sets to beat him. Nadal most likely wouldn't have won the final, Federer at US Open finals is almost unbeatable. 5-1 in finals, Del Potro in beast mode was the only thing stopping him from going 6-0.
     
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  24. VaporDude95

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    I think Federer might be able to get 1 more AO. The USO is when most players have worked their way into the season. For Federer the rustier the opponent, the better :twisted:;-)
     
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  25. NadalAgassi

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    I thought he got tired in both of those matches towards the end, and part of the reason he couldnt finish the match off, which just goes along with much of my original point. It isnt going to get easier as he gets older either. I agree a hypothetical Nadal-Federer final in 2011 would have been close to a 50-50 call (but Nadal still would have rather seen Federer across the net 5 times more than Djokovic), but in 2010 Nadal would have won a Fedal final quite easily.
     
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  26. NEW_BORN

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    Actually the fact that Fed blew those match points in 2010 and 2011 will only serve to make it that much harder for him to ever reach another USO final.
    There are always lingering regrets every time you return to those same courts like a recurring nightmare that you can't escape from. I wouldn't be surprised at all this year if he struggles to make the semis even.
    Of course i would love for him to prove me wrong.
     
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  27. Sabratha

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    He peaks for the slams, so his performance at them is generally better than at the smaller tournaments. He is basically becoming another Murray (in that regard).
     
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  28. Fiji

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    I voted for one more USO.
     
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    US Still like his chances. AO or slow blue mud....nope.
     
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  30. PrinceMoron

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    Record says FO this year. No Soderling, what could go wrong?

    Nadal gets a really bad draw this year.
    Murray..... Not really
    Tsonga beats ND in the Semis. Simple
     
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  31. big ted

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    i think he might be getting to the point where it depends on the draw...if berdych and tsonga are in his qtr before he has to play nadal, djokovic, murray, it could be tough..
     
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  32. Fiji

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    That's gonna be tough.
     
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    USO is within reach. Now Fed is older so he will take some time off while other top seeds will play full schedule. The key is his back. A well rested Fed with the pin point serve and laser forehand can be unstoppable even with some rustiness.
     
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    US Open is his best surface at a slam now. I don't care that he won Wimbledon last year - he was lucky not to go out in the 3rd round.

    He played a terrible match against Berdych last year, but if he's got enough left in the tank by the time the US Open roles around, it's by far his best slam. It would kind of be ridiculous for him not to win it a 6th time. It's more of a joke that he hasn't won it since 2008 than anything else.
     
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    Wimbledon remains his best surface, hence the reason whe won in 2012. The surface is forgiving on an aging player of his type, and if he faces someone attempting to keep him moving, unlike the hard courts, he will not will deal with the double-edged sword of age-induced fatigue generated by pounding on the hard surface, plus having to deal with the wild weather situations.

    So, the OP wanted a choice among the HC majors, but I think unless he gets the miracle draw (brainfarting top players, no hot-for-one-match lower ranked players, mass illness, etc.), Federer will find winning another HC major incredibly difficult.
     
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    With Murray and Djokovic? No. I can't see another hard court slam for him.
     
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    Slow Hard Court and Medium Hard Court

    Federer is challenged now playing the Slow Hard Courts that dominate the first 1/2 of the year. He is much better suited to the Medium paced Hard Courts that predominate the 2nd 1/2 of the year (Fast court tennis doesn't exist any longer). Hence, the US Open is much more likely, if he is to win another HC slam, than the Australian Open. The latter is little faster than Clay - hence is a grinders paradise - like Djokovic, Murray and Nadal.
     
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  39. PrinceMoron

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    You did not mention the roof.
     
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  40. abmk

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    he has a decent chance at the USO ; at the AO, he'd need some luck and or 2 matches ( semi/final ) where he somehow manages to play some ridiculous tennis .......
     
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  41. abmk

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    explains why sampras had considerably better results at the USO in 2001-02 than at wimbledon, doesn't it ? :oops:
     
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  42. Magnus

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    Fed deffo has another USO in him if he truly wants it. We all thought he was done for at Wimbledon and he went on beating Djokovic and Murray back to back to win the title. He's had some bad lack in 2010 and 2011 USOs, having MPs against Djokovic and ending up losing the matches. However for Fed to win he needs to handle the issues he has with the likes of Berdych before he can start thinking of the top 4.
     
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  43. abmk

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    while I agree with some of the sentiments, I don't agree completely.

    wim 10 he was plain terrible, USO 2010 , terrible match vs novak, otherwise was playing well till then

    wim 11 was a bit passive which got him in trouble against tsonga, USO 2011 he was playing better, got unlucky in the semi there with djokovic saving those MPs

    federer did have back problems vs benneateau and malisse in wim 12, but he recovered and played very well vs worthy opponents in djokovic and murray in the semi and the final ... played a terrible match vs berdych at the USO

    the competition at the USO is tougher than at wimbledon ...so though USO surface suits him more than at wimbledon right now, after 2012 wimbledon, I think he might have more of a chance at wimbledon ...

    also , I agree that its a shocker that he hasn't won after 2008... he should've won 2009 or 2011 ....
     
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