Does Natural gut "expire"?

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  1. Doctor of Tennis

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    scotus, that is an impressive collection! Should last you like at least 2-3 years?!

    I got some cheap indian gut on **** and I just got it strung up. This might be some of the global gut that's been discussed in the past. Anyways, the stringer thought it was "very dry" and brittle looking. Hope it's not "expired" gut! She strung it up without any problems but she did put some wax on it. Can't wait to hit with it!
     
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  2. scotus

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    Global gut is very dry and brittle fresh off the factory.

    String them up at 50 lbs or less to best avoid premature breakage.
     
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  3. ultradr

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    Some of these doesn't look that old.
    These must have coasted ~$2000. :)


     
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  4. Doctor of Tennis

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    scotus,

    Have you had experience with global gut also? How long did they last and how do they play vs. the "legit" stuff like Babolat?

    do you ever lubricate your natural gut? What's the benefit of doing so? And if you do lubricate, what do you use and how to apply to the strings? My stringer recommends I use baby oil just because my strings are so dry. Thanks!
     
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  5. pvaudio

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    Global gut is absolute garbage. Seriously, the playability is worse than multifilaments. Since the gauge is so inconsistent and the string is so rough, it just notches and frays from the first hit.
     
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  6. scotus

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    I tried it when Global's owner Sanjay started selling it on bay. I ordered 10 sets but they kept popping on the machine or soon after the job was done. I think I still have some in my drawer.

    Oiling or waxing would be a good idea for stringing global gut in order to reduce friction when pulling the crosses. It will also help to do this from time to time after the stringing job to keep gut from drying out. For high-end gut, you really don't need it until the coating wears off. I normally don't use any.

    Quality-wise, there's no comparison bet cheapo gut and the high-end gut. Listen to PVAudio. It's waste of time and quite often also a waste of money.
     
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  7. Doctor of Tennis

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    scotus, thanks for the advice.

    So you have not yet played with any global gut at all due to premature breakage on all your string jobs? That is disappointing to say the least.

    Maybe my strings are not global gut. It's definitely from India but the guy I got it from did not specifically say its global gut. The fact that the string job was successfully completed (at 50 lbs) and the strings have not popped in the bag after ~12 hrs is a little encouraging. I have not hit with the racquet yet, but did bounce a ball on it few times and it felt decent. I Will hopefully get it play with it in next 2-3 days and let you guys know how it goes.

    By the way, do you use a dampener on your natural gut? Is it necessary or recommended since its natural gut?
     
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  8. McLovin

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    scotus, is that Tough Gut the copper, or the natural color? I have a guy I string for who loves the copper, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
     
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  9. MarrratSafin

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    Tough gut copper is available on TW Europe, shipping will be expensive though. Great string..
     
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  10. Fintft

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    Is that all for all yourself? Or are you a professional stringer?

    Me, based foremost on my assumption that gut can get old (or at least that some batches can be less elastic/break faster, no matter the reason), I only stock 10 VS Teams 17 at a time...

    As to your other post, so far I've been lucky to get it from US, TW usually shipped free to US(picked up when I go hiking in Adirondacks/Lake Placid) or from a small Toronto store that again shipped them into my hands at the same price (US 40).

    I know stores can get a discount from Babolat reps (not me though); hence one more reason to buy one in store here, where in can get to almost $100 strung, after taxes! (My worst case scenario is $55-60 strung).

    Anyhow, money is not a big issue and I love the gut..
    Yesterday, the second day in a row on clay (albeit very uneven surface, not properly maintained/not rolled), I started to find longer swings and it felt good/relaxing...:) Two days agao I broke one with a mishit (at the top of the frame) when swinging desperately to a friend's short hard ball (most of his were rather long, right on the baseline and again whipping them with Roger's stick), but yesterday it felt good, with the other friend playing more consistent and less powerful hitting.

    Thanks for all the advise btw!

    One more question: What tension would you use for VS Team 17?

    I do 57 mains and 55 crosses (in order to limit somewhat the movement).

    Anything lower seems too powerful and loss of control, while higher seems stiffer/less pocketing. Am I wrong?

    Cheers!
     
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    To me it seems to be more a matter of the frame, rather of the string type.

    Personally I never use dampeners with natural gut, but went to more shock absorbing frames instead(i.e. basalt amplifeel etc), except if I want to go back and play with the older Kfactor model of the same raquet (6.1 95), NOW I would need a dampener, were I to do that (although I didn't use it at the time, 2-3 years ago).
     
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    I think I've invested in the wrong collection(mine is of Katanas)....
     
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  13. scotus

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    Since the launch of Global Gut, the same company sells its gut under several different names.

    The owner of Global Gut, after several complaints from me, sent me some replacement sets, and some of them had a different, very thick PU coating. These would string up better but they are super thick. Their 16 gauge would be equivalent to other companies' 15 or 14.

    So I did later manage to play some some of their gut, but I wasn't impressed with playability & durability.

    But there are a few posters here who are in love with Global Gut. If you string them at 50 lbs or below and have not already become addicted to the higher-end gut, then this may very well work for you.

    Regarding dampeners, it is entirely up to you. If you don't like the sound when you hit the ball, a dampener is a good idea. If you also feel you need to cut down on vibration transmitted to your arm, I recommend a gel-filled dampener like Gamma Shockbuster or Wilson Shock Shield.
     
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  14. scotus

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    One of the Toughgut is copper, oddly 17L.

    Also one of the Prime Gut is copper, and this one is uncoated.
     
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  15. scotus

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    It's all for me.

    I do have a stringing machine but I only string for myself. It takes me 1 hour to cut out the old string and finish the whole job. I am too slow to make any money stringing professionally.

    Prior to this winter I always strung VS Team and Touch at very high tensions, typically 69-72 lbs, and these old gut never snap on the machine and they last a long time.

    This winter I started experimenting with lower tension and went all the way down to 57 lbs on gut. I even did some full-poly playtests at 30 lbs.
     
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    Congrats then!

    Great minds (ahem) think alike!

    What do you think of stringer's trick to do the crosses at 55 LBs (and the mains at 57), in order to limit movement? Seems to work.

    Ah and I don't think that my stringer strings natural gut faster then 40-45 minutes (after pre-stretching it). The guy is overworked (doing up to 10 rackets per day, but probably none natural gut); I'm afraid he might leave his job :)
     
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  17. scotus

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    Regarding tensioning the crosses, if it works for you, that's all that matters. But most stringers on this board seem to string the crosses tighter than the mains when trying to limit the movement of the mains.

    I typically use gut mains and poly crosses and almost never have to straighten the mains.
     
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  18. Fintft

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    I shall try your idea (I think you've mentioned it before) in a full gut string bed.

    It might end up to the same, who knows?

    Thanks!
     
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    May I ask if you have 18x20 or 16x19 pattern on your main racquets?
    How long does it last?
     
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  20. Doctor of Tennis

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    Ok, I finally got to hit with my racquet strung with this Indian gut I got from the bay. And...I think its great!

    Very comfortable like a mutli, feels very crisp, has lots of power, and has lot's of spin. I think it's has the characteristics of the ideal string for me. I hate the stiff/harsh feel of polys and the mushy feel of some multis. This string is not like that at all. This string is producing much more spin for me than my previous string (Premier Attack).

    Although my racquet is quite a rocket launcher right now with this string strung at 50 lbs, I'll try to keep playing with it to tame its power. Maybe I'll try to string it a bit higher next time, but I'm cautious of going over the <55 lb limit.

    Well, this is not good, I was afraid I would like this string. This experiment will end up being costly to me, now I'm tempted to try the good stuff like Babolat VS. If I like this cheap gut, I can only imagine how good the "legit" stuff is. Maybe one day I will splurge and try a full bed of VS...
     
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  21. scotus

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    My typical racquets have 16 mains and usually 20 crosses, although some had 16X18.

    Just playing a couple of hours of doubles, synthetic gut usually lasts me 4 outings. Natural gut usually lasts 3 to 4 times longer.
     
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  22. scotus

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    Another gut addict in the making ... :)
     
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    You don't have to go all-in with VS.
    Tonic is a very nice string that will take high tension and save you a few bucks.
     
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  24. SleepyCoffee

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    Scotus - are you stringing hybrids or full beds of your natural gut?

    I've always strung full beds but I'm down to my last few packs of natural gut and I'm thinking of doing hybrids to get more life out of my precious natural gut.
     
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  25. scotus

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    I do both but usually hybrids with gut in the mains.
     
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  26. Doctor of Tennis

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    unfortunately you're right, now I don't feel like using any other string
     
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  27. Doctor of Tennis

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    so I finally plunked down the cash and got a racquet strung up with full bed of Prince Natural Gut 17...and it's great! Comfortable, has power when needed, great touch, spin is excellent, great control. Whenever I manage to hit a ball cleanly right in the sweet spot the feel is just incredible and usually results in a deep shot with pace.

    I also got another racquet (same racquet as 1st) strung up with Indian gut in mains and syn gut in cross. This one also plays very well, except slightly less comfortable and a little stiffer. Still plays awesome.

    In future I'll probably hybrid it just to more economical.

    Conclusion: NG is awesome.

    Now I'm wondering if I'll like the old VS or Wilson NG even more...
     
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  28. Fintft

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    What stops you from trying? :)

    For me it's more economical to buy 10 at a times anyhow (with 2-3 sticks).

    So far I'm biased towards the new Wilson VS Team 17 (even with the new BT7 coating), b/c is thinner and as such feels livelier then the Wilson NG 16 (I found).
     
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  30. Doctor of Tennis

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    well, the cost is what's stopping me. And I still havn't yet determined if I'm ok with just using Indian gut vs expensive name brand gut. So far I kinda like the Indian gut and it's maybe good enough for me.
     
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