Does the Open Stance Forehand lead necessarily to hip injuries.

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  1. Teyko

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    I have been reading some disturbing evidence connecting an open stance forehand motion to hip injuries. I am wondering it this connection is real or if anyone has any experience with this issue.

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  2. Uthree

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    open is stance is fine. Closed stance is more likely to cause injuries.
     
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  3. toughshot

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    well.. it's not supposed to....
     
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  4. Nellie

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    Some people actually switch from a closed to open forehand because the open stance is easier on the left knee (if you are a righty. Maybe it has more twisting on the hip?
     
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    It isn't so much the open stance that leads to hip injuries but the way your weight transfers when you rotate through the shot.

    For the open stance, the loading over the back leg is important, however, if you stay over that back leg and turn or twist over it, the back hip will take on a lot of stress which over time can lead to injury through repetition.

    Therefore, you need to balance out your weight by shifting your weight back over to your front foot as you hit the ball. Dont twist and keep your load over the back leg alone.
     
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    Please provide your examples. Otherwise, this is false.
     
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  7. Uthree

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    Feet position alters the balance which is important if we accept that optimal balance can mean protection from injury.
    For the topspin fh, the open stance accommodates a balance with a slight tilt backwards which is ideal for hitting topspin. This eliminates any uneccessary pressure on left knee.
     
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    Judging from your post here, and other threads, it seems a lot of stuff you read isn't real.
     
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  9. Stchamps

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    If I say the Earth is round is it false if I don't provide examples :p
     
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    Djokovic does a great job in this regard, I never saw him rotating on his right leg alone. Fed sometimes does it though.
     
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    Well, I have about three different forehand strokes, one of which constantly follows through, hitting the bony part of my right hip. (I'm a lefty.) I don't think that's quite what you mean though. :p
     
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    I don't know about hip injuries, but I can envision how it might lead to groin injuries when facing hard flat hitters, unless you've got really fast reflexes.
     
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    I agree with the above.
     
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    I believe that the open stance can very definitely result in hip injuries. Hewitt and Kuerten are prime examples of players who used the open stance prolifically and developed serious hip problems . Some recent players with hip injuries include Haas, Nalbandian, Youzhny, Cilic and (Brian) Baker. I have provided book/article links in past threads that discuss added stress and injuries that the open stance places on the hip/hip flexor. (Will try dig up the links later if I remember).

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  15. taurussable

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    agree with SystemicAnomaly.
     
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  16. taurussable

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    agree with SystemicAnomaly. Would you mind comment on the rotate on right leg alone? I almost never saw Djokovic do this, but fed sometimes does this, do you agree?
     
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    any kind of technique can cause injury unless biomechanical laws are well understood and followed. open stance and closed stance have different sets of limits. when one doesn't understand those and tries to keep pushing the limits it results in injury. so no open stance does not alway cause more hip injury.
     
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    Hahaha, excellent!
     
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    I have seen quite a few Djoko FHs where he shifts his weight, even when hitting a semi-open stance. Are you sure that he doesn't hit some of his FH shots primarily driving off his back (right) leg? It seems to me that some of his jumping FH shots, he rotates & drives primarily off the back leg. I have not studied his shots very much -- not enough to determine how often he does this.

    Novak appears to be extremely flexible. I'm amazed that he doesn't get injured more often than he does. OTOH, he has had more injuries than Roger. While Roger may very well drive/rotate on the right leg at times, he has quite a lot of variety in his game. It is this variety, along with his smooth/gliding footwork that has kept him relatively injury-free.

    How one implements the open-stance FH certainly has a bearing on how much stress is placed on the hip/hip flexor. Note that modern tennis techniques, in general, put a considerable amount of stress on the body. In the 40 years that I've been playing & watching tennis, it has become very apparent that injuries have increased considerably in the past decade or two. Sure there were injuries with the older classic style of play, but nowhere as much as with the modern game -- even tho' we know more about biomechanics than ever before. I believe that a majority of the injuries we see are still over-use injuries. Trauma/acute injuries are somewhat less than overuse injuries.
     
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    I was told to get the right foot parallel to bl (rh fh) as opposed to planting it perpendicular to relieve hip stress (and facilitate hip turn.) Seems helpful to me.
     
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    just to confirm, in the finish, your right foot toe is pointing to ur left correct? if yes, I completely agree with you.
     
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    my view is overuse injuries generally are somewhat exaggerated in our culture and at the same time the importance of the posture and form in any activities is underappreciated. among asian rice farmers who spend a considerable amount of time working bent over, not all of them exhibit overuse injury after decades of repetitive stress. some cope much better than others.
     
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    http://youtu.be/57aGR-wr_rU is a forehand fed hits, his left feet completely off ground. and his rotation weight entirely on his right feet. this is something I never saw djokovic does. and fed does it really often. it looks nice though. also djokovic seems never straightens up his right leg in his forehands.
     
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    fixed the link, the forehand started 2m 26s ish.
    http://youtu.be/57aGR-wr_rU?t=2m26s
     
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    Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation: A Sport-Specific Approach (Buschbacher, Prahlow, Dave) talks, in depth, about injuries in the modern game. This book talks about the increased abduction and hyperextension forces on the (right) hip for (right-handed) ATP and junior players who employ the open stance on the forehand. It is either this text or another that talks about added stress and possible injury to both the hip flexor and the shoulder (to a lesser extent) on the dominant side of the body as a result of prolific use of the open stance forehand. Here are a couple of other sources that deal with the hip and the open stance FH:

    http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/.../hip_injuries_openstance_forehand_public.html

    http://www.usta.com/Improve-Your-Game/Health-Fitness/Injuries-Prevention-and-Recovery/Hip_Injuries
     
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    That would be the goal.... I've developed a bad habit of not moving forward into my forehand; taking the ball late and virtually falling back on follow through. Something I'm finding hard to correct.

    Taking early and shifting weight forward on BH (two handed) seems so natural yet so hard on forehand side.
     
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    I thought the issue with injuries from open stance shots come from planting the feet (especially by hitting from the heels) , so that rotation at the core causes stress in your hips/knees. So the solution would be staying on your toes.
     
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    I do not believe that Kuerten, Hewitt and the others that I mentioned with serious hip issues hit from their heels. (But I could be wrong). Take a look at the TennisPlayer.net link that I provided in my previous post. Kuerten takes a heel-to-toe step with his right foot but he does not keep his weight on the heel at all. His weight is transferred to the forward part of the foot (before he becomes airborne). Note that the heel-to-toe step is common for most pro players, regardless of the stance they will use for the shot.
     
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  29. chunlimeyers

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    I figured this out when I was serving wrong, jumping and twisting my right hip. Yup, that caused the pain and injury. I now hit my forehand open stance, but make sure that my right leg drives forward with the hip, and does little twisting. It is the twisting of the hip that does the damage. I have just as much power or more just with proper and safe form, as that takes much stress off the hip joint. Pros arent supermen, their just men. If they abuse the hip joint twisting it repeatedly, they get injured and need surgery. Hope this helps.
     
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