Donald Budge

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  1. Mustard

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    Budge beat the best amateur players in the world in 1938 and dominated the tour, and then turned professional and overtook Nusslein, Perry and Vines to become the best professional player in the world, at least in terms of day to day consistency (as Vines' best game was considered unbeatable). You can't ask for more in those days.
     
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  2. Dan Lobb

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    I agree with what you say, but in the Slam year, the toughest opponent he faced all year was 16 year-old junior, Jaroslav Drobny.
    And he didn't beat all the best amateurs; von Cramm was in jail, Riggs didn't face Budge on the Slam; Parker, McNeill?
    This was not Budge's fault, and he would have had a good chance at a slam even with Vines and Perry in the field, but things broke so that the field he faced was really weak.
     
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    Xavier G,

    You ask how great Budge was. Surely a great player. To put it into perspective we should consider that Budge realized his Grand Slam when anateur von Cramm and of course pros Vines, Perry, Nüsslein and Tilden were absent. In fact he struggeled against claycourter Kukuljevic at Roland Garros.There probably Nüsslein would have been the favourite.

    In his first pro year Budge when at his peak lost at least three times to 46 years old Tilden, once even in the important tournament of Southport (where Nüsslein at last beat Tilden in the final).
     
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    Mustard,

    I would add some big wins of Nüsslein to those five you have mentioned.

    Nüsslein won four times in a row (1936 to 1939) the Southport clay championships which were regarded sometimes as British Pro.

    He also won the World's Pro Championships 1933 in Berlin (a round robin against Tilden, K.Kozeluh and Najuch who was feared despite of his age at 40) and the World's Pro Championship 1936 in Paris where he defeated Tilden and in final Cochet. Unfortunately only little footage to the latter.

    Thus we get 11 pro majors won by the underrated and almost forgotten German.
     
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  5. kiki

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    Would Budge have won the GS, not if Tilden,Nusslein,Vines were competing but, simply, if Jan Kodes was competing?
     
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    Shouldn't the bolded bit say Gottfried von Cramm?
     
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    No. Vines and Kodes!
     
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  8. kiki

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    :)
    Oh¡ I forgot Kodes can´t compete with Vines, much less against Budge¡¡¡
     
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    Is it correct that Ellsworth Vines I had czech ancestors?

    In that case, it is a tough competition between Lendl,Mandlikova and Vines for all time czech nº 2...
     
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    Kodes is from a totally different era to Vines and Budge.
     
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    The way he is treated over here, that wouldn´t make any difference.

    But I fully agree with your opinion.
     
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  12. treblings

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    no.1 being Martina Navratilova?:)
     
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    well, they all chose another country, except Kodes.

    I must say the smartest one is Mandlikova: she picked up Australia.The other 3...
     
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  14. treblings

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    the story about vines czech ancestors is real? or was it meant as a joke?

    i would have preferred australia myself:)
     
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    My memory can be bad.When that funny story about Kodes and Vines started, I just happened to recall that in the 1981 US Open, Lendl defeated Vines ( should be his grandson, I think), who, at that time, was one of the best US juniors.I just read a big repport on Tennis Magazine concerning the 1981 Open and Lendl and focusing on his match against Vines.I think it mentioned something to the effect that also Vines ancestors came from then Czeckoslovakia, or something to that effect.

    I maybe wrong.But it is curious that I had just that flash so many years later.Maybe guys like Krossero or Mustard can work it out.
     
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    Ivan Lendl beat Mark Vines at the 1981 US Open. Was he any relation to Ellsworth?
     
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    sure, but for americans it´s unusual to know their great-grandfather:)
     
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    Great job looking back their ancestors.I understand that you mean since the US is a very young country, that is why they don´t know about great grandfathers, right?
     
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    that´s exactly what i meant, kiki.
     
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