Donald Young At Australian Open

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Pancho

Semi-Pro
I am happy Donald Young lost. If Young won, we would hear it in the news how an amazing player he is and he may even beat Roddick and all that kind of crap. The media can't wait to praise Young.

It was such nonsense to see ESPN saying Roddick may meet Young in the 2nd round. Hahahaha... no such chance here. Now is Young going to play the Australian juniors now like he did in the past years?

Young is just lousy.... period. And Young made a comment once that he will win each of the Grand Slams at least twice. Yeah right.... just try focusing on winning an ATP match.
 
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bluetrain4

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Pancho said:
I am happy Donald Young lost. If Young won, we would hear it in the news how an amazing player he is and he may even beat Roddick and all that kind of crap. The media can't wait to praise Young.

It was such nonsense to see ESPN saying Roddick may meet Young in the 2nd round. Hahahaha... no such chance here. Now is Young going to play the Australian juniors now like he did in the past years?

Young is just lousy.... period. And Young made a comment once that he will win each of the Grand Slams at least twice. Yeah right.... just try focusing on winning an ATP match.
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You made the exact same thread after Young's loss at the US Open. You posted multiple times stating the EXACT same thing.

We get it, you don't like Young. And, if you haven't noticed, the hype surrounding Young is largely gone, though he he is still a curiosity, along with Isner and others because he is a young American.

I'll be waiting for your multiple responses repeating your point and whining (again) about Young.
 
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Chauvalito

Hall of Fame
Pancho: You just hyped him yourself

Whether its positive or negative, you just hyped DY(negative in your case)...and this thread you have started will make sure DY is talked about for at least the next few days.

Congrats.
 
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Chauvalito

Hall of Fame
Nice of you to not put this comment in context

Pancho said:
And Young made a comment once that he will win each of the Grand Slams at least twice. Yeah right.... just try focusing on winning an ATP match.
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I am not defending DY, I am putting this comment in context.

Firstly, he did not say that he "will win" each grand slam twice, he said that was one of his goals, or something he wanted to achieve if possible when he became pro.

Why 2 each: So that one win would not be considered a fluke...kinda like how some people will argue that Roddicks win at the US open was a fluke (this is not my view, just an example)

Secondly: He said this when he was 15 years old, the youngest junior to be number one in the world. OMG, I cant believe a 17 year old said something like that...almost like me saying I want to save the world at age 13...
 
CAM178

CAM178

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DY will never become anything with his Mom being his coach and manager. That's cool that she's 'there' for him, but he needs real coaching. They tried a guy in Atlanta, who I know is awesome, and fired him because the mother didn't like him. He was apparently taking away from her power. Umm. . . last I checked, that's what a coach is for. DY will mire around 100 unless he gets real coaching. His head is up his ass right now, and it's going to stay there until mommy transitions to spectator.
 
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Dimonator133

Dimonator133

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absolutely horrible loss for D. Young. He could still be decent in the long run, but he HAS to grow AND get much stronger.
 
edmondsm

edmondsm

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It was a very tight match, and in the crucial moments Young showed his inexperience. I'm not going to count the kid out after he loses one close match. Come back when he's 25 and hasn't done anything and then maybe I'll agree that he is toast. For now it was just his first direct entry into a slam and he lost to a veteran. Big deal, he'll continue to climb and get more chances like this.
 
edmondsm

edmondsm

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CAM178 said:
DY will never become anything with his Mom being his f'ing coach and manager. That's cool that she's 'there' for him, but he needs real coaching. They tried a guy in Atlanta, who I know is awesome, and fired him because the mother didn't like him. He was apparently taking away from her power. Umm. . . DUH! That's what a coach is for. DY will mire around 100 unless he gets real coaching. His head is up his ass right now, and it's going to stay there until mommy transitions to spectator.
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Yes this could be a problem. There are many tragic "stage parent" stories out there. I hope he gets the right guidance.
 
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Chauvalito

Hall of Fame
edmondsm said:
It was a very tight match, and in the crucial moments Young showed his inexperience. I'm not going to count the kid out after he loses one close match. Come back when he's 25 and hasn't done anything and then maybe I'll agree that he is toast. For now it was just his first direct entry into a slam and he lost to a veteran. Big deal, he'll continue to climb and get more chances like this.
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An objective assessment, i concur.
 
tacou

tacou

G.O.A.T.
m e too. I hate Donald Young, even though I've never met him like all of you. Even though he makes his livelihood off of this sport and it's probably his dream to be successful, I hope he fails miserably!
 
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gooberwho

Rookie
tacou said:
m e too. I hate Donald Young, even though I've never met him like all of you. Even though he makes his livelihood off of this sport and it's probably his dream to be successful, I hope he fails miserably!
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why? seems a little irrational to me, your despise of Young.
 
chiapants226

chiapants226

Professional
he seems to get really angry. when i watched him in the first set he chucked his racquet a few times, cracked the racquet twice, went through three racquets in like 4 games.
 
Leublu tennis

Leublu tennis

Legend
CAM178 said:
DY will never become anything with his Mom being his coach and manager. That's cool that she's 'there' for him, but he needs real coaching. They tried a guy in Atlanta, who I know is awesome, and fired him because the mother didn't like him. He was apparently taking away from her power. Umm. . . last I checked, that's what a coach is for. DY will mire around 100 unless he gets real coaching. His head is up his ass right now, and it's going to stay there until mommy transitions to spectator.
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Is she an experience pro tennis player/coach? If not, she might suggest to her kid that he get some professional help. He has the talent.
 
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JLyon

Hall of Fame
chiapants226 said:
he seems to get really angry. when i watched him in the first set he chucked his racquet a few times, cracked the racquet twice, went through three racquets in like 4 games.
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And he is different than Safin how? or 75% of the other pros on tour?? and junior players?
This DY love/hate fest is pathetic
 
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MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

Legend
I guess he hasn't earned the right to throw his rackets on these boards. But, they guy is wokring with what he has for the time being, and hopefully he will continue to improve.
 
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baseliner

Professional
Mom or Dad being the coach and hanging on to their meal ticket is quite common on the WTA (don't need to give examples do I?) but not the practice on ATP. Until he gets out from Mom and Dad won't get beyond top 100.
 
edmondsm

edmondsm

Legend
baseliner said:
Mom or Dad being the coach and hanging on to their meal ticket is quite common on the WTA (don't need to give examples do I?) but not the practice on ATP. Until he gets out from Mom and Dad won't get beyond top 100.
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Well the Young family has financial issues. His mom and dad are both club pros and don't bring home the amount of cash that most tennis parents do. I don't know if you knew this, but Brad Gilbert and Larry Stephanki cost alot of money. There is a great article on DY floating around someplace, trust me it's worth a search.

I'm a big fan of the kid (in large part because of the forementioned article) so I'm very biased on the subject. But the nay-sayers are right to question his progress. The thing is that he does need to start producing. The next two years will be crucial. The thing that you notice about the players at the top levels is that cracking the top 100 was a pivatol point in their careers. You start making the main draws at slams and other tour events, getting points and money along the way. Which leads to a higher ranking, which leads to more oppurtunities for points and money. If you look at many current top 10 players, the moment that they hit the top 100 things started taking off for them.

So we will see, but I definately think that 2008 and 2009 will be the most important in years DY's career.
 
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Leublu tennis

Leublu tennis

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edmondsm said:
Well the Young family has financial issues. His mom and dad are both club pros and don't bring home the amount of cash that most tennis parents do. I don't know if you knew this, but Brad Gilbert and Larry Stephanki cost alot of money. There is a great article on DY floating around someplace, trust me it's worth a search.

I'm a big fan of the kid (in large part because of the forementioned article) so I'm very biased on the subject. But the nay-sayers are right to question his progress. The thing is that he does need to start producing. The next two years will be crucial. The thing that you notice about the players at the top levels is that cracking the top 100 was a pivatol point in their careers. You start making the main draws at slams and other tour events, getting points and money along the way. Which leads to a higher ranking, which leads to more oppurtunities for points and money. If you look at many current top 10 players, the moment that they hit the top 100 things started taking off for them.

So we will see, but I definately think that 2008 and 2009 will be the most important in years DY's career.
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Surely you jest. All tennis pros come from rich families? Give me a break. How do the European ones survive where the level of income in most countries is well below that of the US. And aren't there non Jimmy Connors level coaches available in the states? How about a European coach. Also, in golf, for example, promising youngsters will get financed by a consortium of sponsors who will charge a fee from the eventual earnings. But 5 or 10% of a million bucks is not that big a deal. I don't know. I am just not impressed by Mr. Young's plight as you describe it.
 
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JLyon

Hall of Fame
tacou said:
I was being sarcastic, I don't understand why someone would make a thread dedicated to their happiness over someone else's failure.
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For the same reasons why short men buy sportscars and not so well endowed men drive big trucks :shock:
 
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edmondsm

edmondsm

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Leublu tennis said:
Surely you jest. All tennis pros come from rich families? Give me a break. How do the European ones survive where the level of income in most countries is well below that of the US. And aren't there non Jimmy Connors level coaches available in the states? How about a European coach. Also, in golf, for example, promising youngsters will get financed by a consortium of sponsors who will charge a fee from the eventual earnings. But 5 or 10% of a million bucks is not that big a deal. I don't know. I am just not impressed by Mr. Young's plight as you describe it.
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Oh no I'm serious. It may be hard for you to believe, but the Roger Federer story (that of a youngster whose talent is fostered by rich parents) is very very common in tennis. Which European players are you talking about whom came from such poor backrounds? There aren't alot, Ivan Lubijcic comes to mind.

DY's parents have gone into extreme amounts of debt while raising this kid as a tennis prodigy. Really I'm not making this stuff up. These consortiums that you speak of, you might want to tell the Young family about them. I guess they just never looked into it.:?

If your not impressed by the plight of the Young family then you should try blowing 40k a year on travel expenses for your kid. See if that brings you down to earth.
 
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NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Duzza said:
I was there and thought he played extremely well. The talent is there for the future.
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His talent means nothing. He has no true power to win him games. You cannot win without power, period. Federer despite being an extremely crafty and tactical player still can rip 100 mph forehands at ease, and can clock in serves into the low 130s.



The hardest worker will win in the end. Tommy Robredo is nowhere near talented as Gael Monfils, Baghdatis, Berdych, etc but he is still in the top 10 simply because he works so hard, and they don't. Donald Young doesn't seem like someone who wants to work so hard, rather he just wants to get a big win as soon as possible.
 
federerfanatic

federerfanatic

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NamRanger said:
His talent means nothing. He has no true power to win him games. You cannot win without power, period. Federer despite being an extremely crafty and tactical player still can rip 100 mph forehands at ease, and can clock in serves into the low 130s.



The hardest worker will win in the end. Tommy Robredo is nowhere near talented as Gael Monfils, Baghdatis, Berdych, etc but he is still in the top 10 simply because he works so hard, and they don't. Donald Young doesn't seem like someone who wants to work so hard, rather he just wants to get a big win as soon as possible.
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So according to you he lacks the power to finish points, yet he also lacks the willingess to work hard enough out there. If that is the case that is the worst possible combination since more then any other 2 attributes if you dont have one of those two you sure as heck need the other and vice versa if you know what I mean.
 
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NamRanger

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federerfanatic said:
So according to you he lacks the power to finish points, yet he also lacks the willingess to work hard enough out there. If that is the case that is the worst possible combination since more then any other 2 attributes if you dont have one of those two you sure as heck need the other and vice versa if you know what I mean.
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That's what it seems like to me. His groundstrokes don't have the pace to keep up with the other players, and he defintely looked like a cry baby to me when he supposedly got bad calls (when they were defintely out). I've never seen a professional athlete cry so much.
 
edberg505

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NamRanger said:
That's what it seems like to me. His groundstrokes don't have the pace to keep up with the other players, and he defintely looked like a cry baby to me when he supposedly got bad calls (when they were defintely out). I've never seen a professional athlete cry so much.
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Oh, I didn't know you were at the match calling the lines.
 
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flying24

Banned
I feel sorry for the guy in a way. He has so much overhpe in the U.S and he is going to be held to standards he will never come close to living up to. Poor Roddick is crucified for his so called underachieving, yet Young will never come even close to what Roddick achieved and yet many naive Americans are even looking past Roddick to Young as the one to salvage American tennis and bring it back to superstardom, please!!!

Then again his full of himself attitude makes it harder to feel sorry for him then some others. Also anyone remember his mom's comment when he turned pro at 15 and was humiliated repeatedly in challengers and wild card entry first rounds, saying Donald turned pro since juniors was too easy for him and there was no competition. So you win one junior grand slam (the junior Australian that year) and suddenly he has no competition? I guess Federer should have retired after winning Wimbledon 2003 too then, I mean if he had the Young camp attitude mens pro tennis would be too easy for him and he would need to find a universe tour to play in. Heck even Roddick after winning the 2003 U.S Open, I guess that means pro tennis was too easy for him and he had no competition anymore, ROTFL!
 
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teneighty

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NamRanger said:
His talent means nothing. He has no true power to win him games. You cannot win without power, period. Federer despite being an extremely crafty and tactical player still can rip 100 mph forehands at ease, and can clock in serves into the low 130s.



The hardest worker will win in the end. Tommy Robredo is nowhere near talented as Gael Monfils, Baghdatis, Berdych, etc but he is still in the top 10 simply because he works so hard, and they don't. Donald Young doesn't seem like someone who wants to work so hard, rather he just wants to get a big win as soon as possible.
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Brilliant.


/sarcasm
 
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Pancho

Semi-Pro
tacou said:
m e too. I hate Donald Young, even though I've never met him like all of you. Even though he makes his livelihood off of this sport and it's probably his dream to be successful, I hope he fails miserably!
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Donald Young is just lousy. The media needs to focus on other players.
 
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