Donald Young - Disrespected by Many

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  1. downthewall

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    For those of you who were at the challenger event in Dallas a few weeks ago and watched Dy **** everyone off including the sponsors, who has any respect for the guy anymore?

    Incase you havnt heard, there was a national anthem before the match. Everyone stood up and did their part except for dy. He sat down on his chair being a jerk while everyone else gave respect to the country.

    I spoke to some of the sponsors and they mentioned that they do not want dy back next year or else they wont sponsor.

    thoughts?
     
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  2. saram

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    My thoughts are I'd like to hear more about this. I would like exact details and what sponsors it is that you talked to. You opened the can of worms surrounding the sponsors so you'll have to cite some sources here.

    While not required to stand during the National Anthem--he sure should have if he didn't. If this is true--I'm pretty disappointed in DY.
     
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  3. danb

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    Respect is something you earn (nothing new) - that means some brain AND A LOT of effort. DY hasn't proven either (please notice I said brain AND a lot of effort).
    I haven't heard about the incident; IF it's true IMHO he should have stood up his a^& at least for all the WC he got from his country. He owes his country at least this much.
    Can't believe he sat down - are you sure?
     
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  4. Rob_C

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    If that actually happened, thats unfortunate. But, sponsors have no control, and rightfuly so, over which players enter, and play a tournament.
     
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  5. DarthFed

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    I wouldn't stand for the national anthem either...the US isn't some clean chased country it has a history soaked in crimson...
     
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  6. Rob_C

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    This brings back the time when NBA player Chris Jackson, who changed his name to some Muslim name, Mahmoud something, wouldnt either stand, or cross his heart when the anthem was played before NBA games. Eventually a comrpomise was reached where he would stand and was alllowed to say an prayer of his choosing.
     
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  7. blue12

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    Yeah what country doesn't?

    If you can't respect the national anthem you should go live somewhere else!
     
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  8. saram

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    Switzerland, I believe?
     
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  9. Noveson

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    Are you kidding me? Even the littlest children stand where I live. What country doesn't?
     
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    My point exactly!

    Maybe he was feeling dizzy.
     
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    Well, he is an adult and can do as he pleases. He may have had reasons for not standing or just been obtuse to the moment. I would not crucify him until further information comes of this.
     
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    "Donald Young - Disrespected by Many" - this means that many people have disrespected Donald Young.

    DY was probably just protesting our War on Drugs or something.
     
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    Sponsors really said that ?? they usually don't express their feelings that straight forward. but then This is Dallas so, it doesn't surprise me.
    Donald is a spoiled child, someone should just talk to him about that. I thought ATP had classes for such a thing.
     
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    maybe good caning will do the trick...??? like they do in England..
     
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    maybe he does not interpret standing up as a show of respect. it is a little presumptuous to come to the conclusion that by not standing he does not respect his country. even if you are right and he doesn't, do you think people should not be allowed to show their distaste with their country by sitting down? i dunno man, to say that you MUST respect your country and stand for the anthem rouses images of fascism in my mind, lol. in a democracy you are allowed to protest and show your disapproval with what your country is doing/has done.

    to be entirely honest here, i have never once stood for the anthem out of genuine respect for the US. and no, i do not hate the US. i am grateful that i live in a country where i am safe and have all kinds of opportunities. i just do not get that feeling when i am standing for the anthem. don't ask me why. the reason i stand is because i am a disgusting conformist like everyone else. lollll
     
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  16. saram

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    Wow--highly intelligent post there. Well said.
     
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    I thought you were going to say that about my post...:)
     
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  18. saram

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    I spent ten years in the Army. I fought in two wars. Young's actions do not offend me in any way--even if they are true.

    I consider my time in the service well spent if it means no fascist government is forcing him to stand when he does not want to.

    That is what freedom is all about.
     
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  19. saram

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    No, your post scared me :twisted:
     
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  20. Noveson

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    Hah totally understandable.

    Well said. I don't totally agree with you but hey, to each his own. When I stand I do feel as if it is a thanks for all our country has given us(cheeesy I know). If I felt as you did I would not stand either.

    Now calling everyone else a disgusting conformist is ridiculous, the US is remarkably diverse.
     
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  21. Okazaki Fragment

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    Of course he has the right not to stand for our anthem. He has the right to burn our flag too without government penalizing him. But I have the right to think of him as unpatriotic and fire him as my spokesman. Freedom of speech is freedom from government interference, not freedom of judgment from your fellow citizens.
     
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    ^^I'm not sure many of us on the planet have the right to judge other people. Just my two pennies.
     
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  23. Noveson

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    I think we all have the right to judge other people. Judgements rule our lives.
     
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    I think we are wasting our time when we judge other people but that's must my thoughts. I have more important things to do in life than pass judgment on other people and whether they are cool or not.
     
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  25. dParis

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    Word. And thanks for your service.
     
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    i never said he should be free from judgment by others. but if there is one thing i do not like, it is people being quick to attach a label to a person (like "unpatriotic") without knowing the details of what really happened, or just by poor reasoning.
     
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  27. dParis

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    And you're right too Okazaki. That's diversity.
     
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    No, but they do have control over whether or not they want to sponsor a tournament if a player they don't care for is entered.
     
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  29. Rob_C

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    Then that would amount to be a form of censorship/control/potential discrimination, and would open a whole new can of worms.

    For example, what if sponsors of the Dubai tourney would pull out if Shahar Peer were allowed to participate, then what???
     
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    Sponsors are governed by a totally different set of laws. They are private investors, not a tournament governed by a league. Totally different. They can sponsor whoever they want as long as the person isn't performing illegal activities, etc.
     
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    So here's some more about this story...

    Someone associated with the tournament (I'm not sure if he's a co director or on the committee or what) started a thread at MTF about two days into the Dallas Challenger blasting DY for not standing for the anthem. Turns out they decided to 'get the anthem out of the way' for the night session and decided to play it while the two players who had just finished their match were still on court instead of waiting for them to leave and play it for the two players who were about to play as is normally done. So DY has just finished a match that he lost, and while he's sitting there pouting or fuming or whatever about losing, they start the national anthem and he doesn't stand up.

    Links to MTF are edited here, so if you want more info you'll have to go over there and find it. It's in the General Messages section, just do a seach for DY anthem or something like that.
     
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  32. Noveson

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    I think judging is totally necessary. How do you decide on who you would like to be friends with? There are quite a few people I like, but wouldn't want to spend too much time around. Isn't that a judgment?
     
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  33. saram

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    Thanks, Fee. I knew there had to be more to this story. Look how many people blasted him without waiting for the truth.
     
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    No, it is not judging. It is, however--taking in information and making a decision as to whom you want to hang out with and like for various reasons. You either like people or you don't.

    Look at the information Fee posted. She gave us the facts as to what happened. Look how many people judged DY prior to getting the facts. Now that you have the facts, would your judgment be the same?

    Judging, to me--is quick and unjust.

    Making a decision based off information gathered over time is something else IMO.
     
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  35. dParis

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    Fee is a she, not a he? News to me, I see.
     
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  36. Fee

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    Well who knows. I'm giving you a condensed version of someone else's account. I wasn't there.
     
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    oh bloody hell, not this again.
     
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    Sorry. Assumed that was you on your avatar obviously sitting in front of your computer.:oops:
     
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  39. saram

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    I think that is Andy Roddick...
     
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    Word, wearing Crocs. I still can't get over this photo and it's been almost a year. I am easily amused. :)


    (PS, Saram - thanks for your service :) ).
     
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    I need a bigger monitor. Or a better optometrist. Looks like Conan O'Brien or Clint Mathis.
    Or Andy Roddick. :shock:
     
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    All some correct comments but When in Rome do as the Romans. it's the least you can do to respect others. Spoilt children will never be true champions on the sportsfield. Someone will always be better. Respect for self and for others will lead to great achievements, on and off the court. My two cents worth
     
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    ^ Unbelievable! Someone who actually understands!!

    Standing/taking off your hat, etc. for a national anthem is simply a reflex action for 98% of the populace. They do it because everyone else does it, and it is the socially acceptable thing to do.
    Blind sheep, merely following.

    (This isn't to mention the absolutely horrible "Look at ME! Look at ME!" renditions of the national anthem delivered by some 'music stars'.)

    Good for Donald Young for not being afraid to assert his independent thinking (something that is habitually punished by the court of mindless public opinion, as proven in this thread).

    ^ You are totally wrong.
    You make dozens of judgments each and every day - I guarantee that.
    Judging is absolute human nature.
    To not judge - or assess - situations, circumstances, and people is to not be human.
    What you are likely referring to in a negative way is not judging, but PREjudging - as in judging someone before knowing the relevant facts, or judging someone simply based on irrelevant things like skin colour, or age, etc.
    That is PREjudging, from which the lovely word prejudice comes.

    Judging is something else altogether.
    Judging is a normal and instinctive - and highly necessary - human action.

    ^ Of course they do.

    ^ I've been saying the same thing for years. Judging is how we distinguish our friends from our foes; how we decide what to do and what not to do; how we decide our favourite food, etc., etc.
    It is remarkable how many people immediately disagree with me - simply because they've heard over and over that "judging is bad".
    They don't THINK about what judging actually is - they simply react as they are told - by society - to react. And that is to say that "judging is bad". But they have no idea what they're saying.

    Just like standing for the national anthem - the majority are merely blind followers who live for the most part unconsciously.

    But - hey - TWO people in one thread (three now) who actually understand.
    Must be a record.
     
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    The other think is, he got a lot of support and money as young player from USTA and "he doesn't get it". Too bad, maybe he's missing some part of .......
     
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    don't know if this is true or not, but anyone who was does not stand for a national anthem is a loser with no grace or respect for the people that came before, and under great sacrifice gave up much of their freedoms, including their lives at times so that we have it better. Whether you are happy or not with the current state of things, one should at least show respect for those who provided you a better way of living.
     
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    All DY has to do to show respect for his country is go shopping. Right?
     
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    With the added benefit that only our sheep give a crap about the national anthem.
     
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    IMO, that's not enough of a reason to call Donald Young disrespectful. If he doesn't want to stand for the national anthem then that's his decision. Leave him alone.
     
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    Imagine if DY gets banned next year cuz the tournament wanted to keep their sponsors. That would be ANOTHER political statement, wasn't Dubai enough? That said, I do think that if DY is American, and playing in front of an American crowd, and wants to have that crowd behind him, he sholda stood up.
     
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