Donald Young Loses in 4th round of Junior Event

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  1. callitout

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    Yes its true Donald Young lost to unheralded American junior Clancy Shields at the USTA Supernational Hardcourts. Perhaps Mcenroe shouldve signed his book "youve got a long way to go to number one donald". Dont mean to pick on the poor kid, but please enough from ESPN and everyone else about a kid who still has a very long way to go before he can even be called one of the best american juniors, let alone a serious pro prospect.
     
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  2. prince

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    they got a lot of idea when Adu turned pro thats why..............
     
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  3. AndyC

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    and how old are these other juniors he's playing against compared to him? a year/two in junior tennis is a very long time.

    I haven't seen him play but I really don't see why people are getting on his case.. I mean if u want to get on someone's case.. get on Roddick's :D!
     
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  4. guernica1

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    I really hope Donald doesn't get the WC to the US Open, not because I am rooting for him to fail but because I don't think it will do him that much good if he runs into basically any top 100 pro and gets waxed.

    A huge difference between him and Nadal and Gasquet at the same age is that the two Euro kids had much much better serves.

    Too many losses with a huge spotlight on him is not going to do him a world of confidence.
     
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  5. adi_prestige_player

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    I also saw Donald at the super nat hardcourts. I think his serve could be a lot better (motion wise)
     
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  6. callitout

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    the guy who beat him is a year and a half older than him. Nobody is saying Donald wont be a good player someday, but this stuff about him being the next Federer or Sampras is way overblown. No matter how good the junior, they have to keep improving in order to be a great pro. And its really an open question how much he will improve. Remember Roddick and Federer were both number one juniors but took a couple of years to really hit the big time at the ATP level. By no means is anybody getting on the kid's case, but the media hype is unfair to him and really irresponsible.
     
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  7. Phil

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    What's the big deal about this kid? Everytime he wins (or loses) there's another thread on it. Is he that good, or does someone have an agenda in pushing his name up front on this board everytime he blows his nose?
     
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  8. Lindsay

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    Clancy Shields isn't unheard of. He's been playing challengers for a while. He won a National Title a few years ago when he was in 16s. I saw DY play in Cincy and I saw Shields play in Dallas. I definitely would have thought Young would have won that match but its understandable, Sheilds is an aggressive player who had nothing to lose in that match.
     
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  9. ChiefAce

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    Well don't get so excited about Young losing that match yet because he lost the 3rd set 6-0 and according to people I know who watched the match after he lost the second set he TANKED the third set on purpose. Apparently it was one of the worst attitude displays and he acted like a jerk on court. Donald at 15 years of age has admitted to tanking games if he feels like he is playing poorly and apparently he tanked the entire third set from what I was told.


    A 15 year old who needs to grow up? No way!
     
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  10. VamosRafa

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    What Donald did or didn't do in this event is irrelevant. But what is relevant is that he is being talked about WAY before it's time to talk about him.

    So by the time he does do something, folks will be sick of hearing about how he should have done something earlier than he did it.

    That happened with Roddick, as you all know, and although he didn't do things as early as folks thought he should, he did ultimately do it. But others of his ilk have not done so.

    So better for young Donald that he remain in the juniors without any press for a bit.

    Yes, there are the Nadal's and the Gasquet's who get some hype when they are young (although not that Young :lol:), but they started getting it when they won ATP matches on the full Tour. Since they weren't from the US, the hype machine wasn't in full force with them, and still isn't.

    Which is good for them, and bad for Young. Roddick got the hype and attention for a long time as being the next "American great." He is likely to continue to do well on the Tour, but the press is looking for the next great and has settled on Donald.

    Which means pressure on him, and less pressure on the other Americans. Andy went through this a couple years ago.

    He's stepped up the plate; now others have to. I'm sure he's happy to not be in Donald's position any longer.
     
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  11. Lefty Spin

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    My understanding from some of the juniors I know who are at the Zoo is that it was a weird day for everyone. One of our local players said Donald won the first set and then the match hit a major rain delay. Clancy admitted that neither player played a great match. As someone mentioned earlier, Clancy is a very good player. He has won some matches at both Futures and Challenger events.

    It will be interesting to see how Donald does in the backdraw. If you live near Kalamazoo you should go see this tournament. It is definitely an experience.

    Also, I don't quite agree that Nadal and Gasquet did not have a lot of hype as youngsters. Because we are in the U.S. we get exposed to American players. But I know a junior from Estonia who claims Nadal and Gasquet have been considered the big things in Europe for quite a while. Obviously, they are winning matches at tour events so the hype was justified.
     
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  12. guernica1

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    So he supposedly now not only has the 2 handed backhand that looks like Rios but the attitude to boot? LOL.

    Lefty Spin is right NAdal and Gasquet have been getting lots of hype for years before they made the main draws of Tour level events. Gasquet was on the front cover of one of the French magazines at a pre-adolescent age I believe. Nadal has also been known about for a while also.
     
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  13. bigserving

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    I don't know D Young and I could be wrong, but I don't think that he turned pro expecting to win pro events now. He was able to turn pro, train as a pro, earn money in futures, challengers, and whatever pro events while training as a pro, and still play the big junior events. All the while, be able to pocket sponsorship money.

    What, does anyone think that he should have not turned pro so that he could what, play on a high school tennis team?

    Whatever the future holds, I cannot see the downside to him turning pro now.
     
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  14. VamosRafa

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    All I can say is that when Rafael Nadal beat Al Costa at TMS Monte Carlo last year (after coming through qualifying), no one knew who he was. Many of us who had followed tennis for several years had never heard of him. So we went to Google/Yahoo!/Spanish Google, etc., and still found nothing, except some photo of him from when he was 12. And some PDF thing that had something about his junior wins. It was as if he didn't exist before that win.

    So if he was hyped before then, it was a well kept secret. Now, he likely got more press in Spain, but it didn't go any farther than that at that time.

    After starting the VamosRafael.com site in June 2003, we went back and added as many articles as we could locate about Rafael, and we only found 4 before April 2003 (TMS Monte Carlo). One of them is in Spanish, and the rest are in English. We wanted an archive of his earlier results, and there just wasn't much there -- except what was on ATPtennis.com, and we did find a few more photos from some challengers.

    But I agree it's likely the junior players were talking about him -- but as for getting press attention, that didn't come into play until he beat Costa. That's when it began, and it increased when he qualified for the TMS Hamburg, and then beat Moya. And then got into the Top 50 at age 17, etc., etc.

    You could say hype fulfilled, but I think the hype really started when he started doing things in a big way, for one so young, so to speak. :wink: With Donald, the press is starting now, before he's had a big win, or even a little one, on the ATP.

    And if Donald does win an ATP event, we don't have to worry about a Google search not yielding photos, stats, etc. By then, donaldyoung.com likely will be in place. :D
     
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  15. guernica1

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    Susan you don't visit steveg's tennis site do you?

    Nadal won a couple challenger matches at age 14 I think and was on the radar at least to the people who follow that site by then, which is actually quite a bit of people including some players.
     
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  16. VamosRafa

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    I visit SteveG's for the stats, but not the discussions. Which are more vulgar than helpful.

    But it does have good coverage of challengers and futures, and I used the site a lot when Rafa was playing challengers last year.

    I don't consider "hype" when a kid age 14 wins a few challenger matches, and tennis players and die-hard fans take note on a messageboard. I consider "hype" when mainstream articles are written about how great this kid is and will be, before he's really done anything. That's what is happening to Young, and what didn't happen to Rafael.

    Before Rafa reached the third round in Monte Carlo, he had won a challenger event and had been in 3 other finals -- and yet, nothing was being written about him. The fact that Steve G. folks were talking about him before then speaks well of them, but it didn't exactly start the hype machine running. Rafa did that with his racquet.
     
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