Donnay Formula 100

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  1. Boricua

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    Has anyone used this racket? How does it compare with Babolat Aeroprodrive GT in terms of feel, spin production or other areas?
     
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    Much better feel. Not hollow feeling and has as
    Much power and spin. Much more comfortable.
     
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    In fact formula 100 is much more like tecnifibre speedflex 300, apdgt is more control/spin oriented.

    if you search 1) power 2) comfort it's a good stick.
     
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    Well being a donnayaholic I couldn't resist a thread about this.

    I Hated it !!

    Firstbof all this is notba new Donnay racquet.

    It's actually the donnay x-p dual 27. It now has a a new paint job and a new name "formula". You can do a search on donnay x-p dual 27 for some reviews.

    I'm guessing that the racquet did not sell well so they decided to repackage it?
    Pretty dishonest in my opinion.

    I'm a former APD cortex plus user. The APD is far superior. The "formula" is powerful .....way to powerful in my opinion . It's also bulky and does not cut through the air like APD.

    The Pro one on the other hand is much more like the APD, in fact I think the Pro one is superior to the APD in every department.
     
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    these two frames couldn't be more further apart. They play nothing like the other.
     
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    I agree it's a better APD....but not all that different.

    Donnay  weight 11.5  APD 11.3

    Length 27 for both

    Balance : donnay 4 pts head light  APD  5 pts head light

    Pattern 16 x 19 for both

    Beam and stiffness are different but that's the whole Donnay strategy.  The dual core allows them to make the same racquet as the APD just thinner and more maneuverable. So although the beam is thinner and the stiffness is less on the Donnay it plays the similar because of the dual core foam filling.

    Head size is 97 on the Donnay pro one and 100 on the APD . But again the APD is hollow so the Donnay can achieve the same power and sweetspot in a slightly smaller frame.

    In any event this should all be in another thread.

    This thread is about the formula.....which I think is a horrible racquet
     
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    ^^^ regardless of specs, they play nothing alike. Anyone who has hit with both could immediately note huge differences.

    The formula is much closer in playing characteristics to the APD and
    Pure drive.
     
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  8. VOLLEY KING

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    Well we can disagree.....we are all entitled to what we "feel". It's a very personal thing. It's like saying "that girl is pretty".

    I don't agree with the analysis of the specs however.

    The formula may be a 27 beam but it is not a hollow frame. Therefore even though it's the same beam as a an APD there is more mass . So it plays heavier and bulkier in my opinion.

    And let's not forget that the APD has a unique beam. It's thinner in some spots and thicker in others while the formula is 27 throughout . The APD cuts through the air much quicker than the bulky Formula. In fact the "APD" is called "Aero" because it is designed to cut through the air.

    The pro one on the other hand is a bit thinner and can cut through the air at least equally as quick as the "Aero".

    The "Aero" is designed to be a thicker power ful racquet but cut through the air as qucick as a thin beamed racquet. The Donnay Premise is to make thinner racquets that are not hollow so they can play as powerful as a thicker racquet but still cut through the air as fast as a thin racquet.

    Basically both the Pro one & the APD arrive at the same point but they are coming from different directions . Donnay wants to make a thin racquet play like a thick one while The Aero tries to make a thick racquet play like a thin one. So in the end they end up playing similar.

    However I do agree that they play differently....but saying they couldn't be more different is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
     
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    Good analogy. I just switched to the pro one and i cant believe how pwerful it is. Its controllable power though. I would put it in the same power level as the pure drive.
     
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    Thanks but I can't take the credit....it's Donnays analogy.

    The unique properties of XeneCore create a solid frame achieving the highest strength to weight ratio in the industry resulting in X-treme power, X-treme control, and X-treme feel. At 1.5 gigapascals, the XeneCore racquets possess 50% more tensile strength than current graphite racquets, allowing for the thinnest beam width on the market at 15mm. The X-treme torsional rigidity and stability advance the playing characteristics above and beyond what’s available with current graphite composite racquets providing the established player a lighter racquet for control and feel, possessing the power of a heavier model, while reducing shock and vibration. Roman Prokes



    All have Donnay’s patent-pending and high-tensile-strength XēneCore™ material that was introduced in the original Donnay X-Series. But the Dual-Core racquets have second layer of XēneCore™ tubing on the inside of the hoop that further fortifies the frame and eliminates the loss of energy on ball contact. 

    Since more energy is retained on the strings it provides an additional boost of power, comfort, control and stability, while maintaining X-Series’ ease-of-swing, the result of thin-beam engineering and design. Donnay

    Therefore following that line of logic, if the Donnays truly play like a thicker racquet in a thinner body then the formula 27 plays like a much thicker racquet. Furthermore it stands to reason then that the thinner Pro one plays more like the fast cutting "aero" . Make sense?
     
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    "However I do agree that they play differently"

    So, how do they play differently?

    Besides, some people say the Pro One is more designed for flat hitting. What do you think?
     
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    Is the Pro One more control oriented than the Aeropro? More arm friendly?
     
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    I definitely think so.

    It provides the same power and sweet spot but in a thinner frame and a smaller frame.

    I changed from the APD and I found the change to be seamless.

    I could hit with it better than my APD right out of the box.

    In fact that is the way you should choose all Donnays. You should find a Donnay that is as close to the specs of your current racquet but in a thinner version.

    The Donnays are thinner but are as powerful as a thicker racquet. The Pro one is very close in specs to the APD the only differences are that it's thinner and more maneuvarable. This results in far more control with no loss of power.

    The formula is on the other hand a 27 inch racquet but plays mor like a 32 inch racquet. It may have a closer beam to the APD but it's way more powerful and less manuevarble than the APD.

    The formula in my opinion is a grandpa racquet.

    With Donnay you can't match the specs exactly of your current sticks because the Donnays are not hollow. This makes a huge difference. Always pick a thinner version of your current frame. You will find the result to be simply a better more controllable version of your current frame.

    The pro one to me is just a much better version of an APD.....the formula on the other hand is just way to powerful and bulky. It may be the most powerful
    Stick on the market. It's for a 3.0 player and under in my opinion.
     
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  14. VOLLEY KING

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    That's a really good point. I am a flat hitter.....so maybe that's why I love it so much? I cannot comment on the topspin.

    On the other hand Janes Blake uses it and hits with Topspin but not the Nadal type of loopy topspin.

    I guess it depends on what type of topspin you are looking for. If it's a laser type topspin like the joker or Blake version then go for the Donnay but if it's the loopy topspin of Nadal then maybe the APD is the better way to go.

    I don't know because I just cannot hit a ball anything like Nadal. My shots are way more flat.
     
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  15. Boricua

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    Generally, I hit more of a loopy topspin both on forehand and and in my one handed backhand. Soemtimes I drive tha ball a bit, but that is the exception.

    Wish I could demo the Pro One, but I cant.

    Guess Ill wait for the new Aeropro next year. Thanks for the help though.:)
     
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    Actually you can demo it because it's sold on TW.

    The APD is an absolutely awesome stick.....you can't go wrong with that choice.

    For my personal game however I do like the pro one better. But this thread is about the formula......

    Although the specs are similar to the APD I promise you that the Formula plays nothing like an APD or even a pure drive. The formula is just way more powerful. I would stay away.
     
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    We will. You have no clue what you are talking about. Regardless of specs, the Pro One and APD have absolutely zero similarities on court. None. They play nothing alike, regardless of the fact they both have 16X19 string patterns.

    Next you will be saying the Pure Drive and BLX 90 play the same because they both have 16X19 patterns.

    Click on the Formula, and you'll see one of the racquets its compared to is the Pure Drive:
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Donnay_Formula_100/descpageRCDONNAY-DFORM.html

    Now click on the Pure Drive, and you'll see one of the racquets its being compared to is the Aero:

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Drive_GT/descpageRCBAB-BPDGT.html

    No where is there any mention of the Pro One.


    Seriously, have you even hit with any of these frames?? You should quit while you are behind.
     
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  18. VOLLEY KING

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    I agree with you . Drakulie on the other hand thinks we are crazy for having that opinion.
     
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  19. Boricua

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    I live in Puerto Rico. The thing is that I can buy from Tennis Warehouse, but cant demo rackets from TW. I hope this changes sometime.

    Ive used the APD for about 3-4 years now, first the Cortex now the GT. I like it but always looking at other choices.
     
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    APD is an awesome stick. I can't really it's better or worse than the pro one.

    I happen to like the pro one better for my game..... But Hit more of a laser topspin.


    Here's my comparison of Donnay vs APD

    [/b]Serves:[/b] 

    Pro one wins. More accurate and no loss of power

    returns

    It's so close I would have to give it a tie. Blocking serves are better with the pro one but APD is better for put aways  especially on a second serve.

    Slices and flat ball groundstrokes

    Pro one wins far and away

    topspin

    I have to think APD is better here. I'm not a big topspinner hitter as I hit a mix of topspin and flat ......but after watching Nadal I have to give the edge to the APD. But I'm really not qualified to give an opinion on the topspin stroke.

    volleys

    Pro one wins hands down. It's not even close

    Power

    Equal power but pro one has more control. Pro one wins

    Formula vs apd

    APD wins. The formula is a canon and the ball just flies to the moon

    Returns

    APD wins. The formula is bulky and is not maneuverable

    [/b]Slices and flat balls[/b]

    Apd wins. The formula is to bulky to hit an effective slice.  It just doesn't slice through the air at all.

    Topspin

    I'm not a big topspinner but the formula should not even be mentioned in the sane sentence as the APD when it comes to topspin.

    volleys

    Apd wins again . The formula is just nit maneuverable

    power

    The formula is more powerful....but it's not nearly as controllable as the APD. So the APD wins again.
        
     
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    I don't think you are crazy at all. But it is very obvious you have never played with either of these frames or simply have no idea how to distinguish between two completely different playing frames.
     
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    Actually you mean that you don't think WE are crazy because I'm not alone.

    But lets recap what your exact contention is :

    My contention 

    [quote =VOLLEY KING] they play differently but saying these two frames couldn't be further apart is a bit of a stretch [/quote]

    Im doing this from memory but I do think therse are the stats:

    APD : 11.3 ounces
    DP: 11.5 ounces 

    APD : 5 pts head light
    DP:  4 pts head light

    Apd tip : 23.00 mm
    DP: 21.5

    Apd: beam width is VERY thin....actually  TW say 0.0 ??
    DP: pretty thin as well 21.5

    APD : 16 x 19
    DP : 16x19

    APD swing weight : 324
    DP swing weight:  327

    APD head size : 100
    DO head size : 97

    Conclusion : I think that I can  
    " possibly find two racquets further apart".... For example I think a Wilson Sampras Pro staff and a Big Bubba would be further apart .

    Do the APD and the Donnay play differently ? Yes they do ....in fact the DP is better in my opinion......
    But two say there are no two racquets that could be more different is just a stretch in my opinion and the numbers prove that.

    I do think the APD and DP are "similar" in that they are in the same 
    "family" of racquets.

    They both have about the same amount of power and are both maneuverable and actually now that I look more closely they are not as far away in beam width .

    For example the APD is actually 
    22 mm  where it counts , the DP is 21 mm everywhere while the Formula is a whopping 27 mm everywhere!

    The "aero" is made to cut through the air like a thinner frame . The DP cuts through the air as a thin frame but plays thicker as it is not hollow, while the formula at 27 inches plays like a much thicker frame as it is not hollow.

    But I don't want to get into tho with you Drak. Let's just agree to disagree ok?

    Can I please be entitled to my opinion and move on? I certainly do respect yours. Ok?
     
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    Again, you are going off published specs, not how they actually feel and play in the real world.

    They play NOTHING alike. Zero, zilch, nada!

    The formula is much more similar in play to the PD and APD.

    Stop posting bs and bad information.
     
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    Quoted for truth.
     
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    I did go off published specs. They are right off the TW compare racquets. Just check it out for yourself.

    But as Agassi says "image is everything" here is why thin Donnay frames play as far thicker frames:

    [​IMG]
     
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    FYI- only the Formula shows up on the comparison chart when I click on the link.
     
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    Ohh my...

    Vantage...
    [​IMG]

    Prince...
    [​IMG]

    Wilson...
    [​IMG]

    Foam filled frames.
     
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    Hey thats cool !!! I didnt know that??? why dont they advertise that? I thought Donnay had a patent on it??

    But can you male the pics a bit smaller because it would be easier to comapre the two companies . Plus by making it so large you look like you could be an interested party.


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    yeah I know....I screwed up. can you help me out here? Im computer challenged. I had put all three sticks on. ill try again in a moment
     
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  31. Automatix

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    First of all the examples given are foam filled frames not Xenecore.

    Secondly those pictures aren't mine, they're from this forum.

    Additionally the patent on Xenecore construction mentions the frame production is supposed to be less labour intensive and thus should be cheaper not more expensive than other brands - vide the prices when the new Donnay started to offer their products.


    To sum up if you don't have the knowledge you shouldn't quarrel with knowledgeable posters such as drakulie who REALLY knows his stuff. THE END.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nope it doesnt work....


    crap

    but its easy for me to copy by hand

    DP Head size: 97
    APD : 100
    Formula: 100

    dp length 27
    apd 27
    formula 27

    weight:

    dp: 11.5
    apd: 11.3
    formula 11.2

    balance

    dp: 4 hl
    apd: 5 hl
    formula: 3 hl

    swingweight

    dp 327
    apd 324
    formula 321

    stiffness

    dp 64
    apd 67
    formula 69

    tip/shaft

    dp 21.5/21.5
    apd 23 / 26
    formula 23.5 ,23

    beam width

    dp 21.5
    apd: 0.0.....I dont get why they say this....but i assume cause its so thin?
    apd 26.5

    pattern

    dp 16x19
    apd 16x19
    formula 16x19

    power level

    dp low-medium
    apd low-medium
    formula medium
     
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    1- how do you know? and I never said they were yours.

    2- I asked if it was patented ..it was a question.

    3- Im not quarreling. I simply posted the specs. Drak said there could be no two racquets farther apart. The fact is that a pro staff and a big bubba are vastly further apart. Its not a "quarel" but rather its just math.
     
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    hey now i see....hey you have to excuse me...I didnt even know I posted the vantage one.

    Im not so great with computers. I just saw a Donnay was filled with something. I have no idea if its foam or xenocore.
     
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    Hey Volley King,

    The specs and the power ratings are a great place to start when a comparison is needed. You only get so much from the frame's numbers. The only true way to tell is by playing them. I have ignored frames based on specs and really have been excited about new frames published specs. I have been wrong a number of times on both counts after playing with a frame. I try to use the comments here and read all the reviews..and read between the lines if possible. Sometimes the math lies or does not tell the entire story. Demo is the only way... Welcome to the fight..:) Enjoy!!
     
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  37. VOLLEY KING

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    Actually I have played with all three extensively.

    My impressions were that the APD and the Pro One played similar except that the Pro one was more control oriented and more manueverable than the APD.

    Drak feels that there are no two racquets that could possibly be more disimilar and that the Formula was far closer to the APD.

    My playtesting and personal opinion is quite different. I found the Formula to be more powerful than either of those sticks and by the way so does TW.

    The Formula is just a bulky power stick that in my opinion plays completely different than the APD. I dont think anyone above a 3.0 should play with the formula.

    on the other hand Asyou can see from TW and my personal experience the Pro one and the APD are similar in power but the difference is that the Pro one is thinner and the head is smaller. Its more manueverable and controllable and the power level is the same.

    I tossed my APD out in favor of the Pro one and wont look back. But thats just my personal opinion. Drak has a different one and I respect his opinion. Who is to say who is wrong or right.

    ButI dont agree that "there are no two racquets that can be further apart". Thats not an opinion but thats just math. The numbers dont lie...he is just mistaken in that assertion.
     
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    You are hilarious. All major brands and a few that don't exist anymore were using foam-injection before Bobby Choe heard about tennis as a whole.
     
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  39. VOLLEY KING

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    Hey Im just a regular guy and not a racquet guru....so please go easy on me. I find that really interesting.

    Apparently Donnay has fooled everyone because they say all other racquets are hollow??

    Is xenocore really just foam? Is it all BS??

    They did come out with 15mm racuets that are as powerful as much thicker frames. The Pro one is as powerful as the APD but its thinner. So how did they do it?
     
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    automatix, I need royalties for the wilson photo, please go to paypal and donate money, thanks :)

    seriously, I think the APD, does not play like any frame out there, it is unique.

    spec wise two frames can look "IDENTICAL" on paper but when it comes to different layup, handle, bumper, shape of throat, bridge etc.. it will make two IDENTICAL FRAMES play/feel differently. "World apart" if you are a gear junkie like most of us here in the racquet section and I would agree but to the rest of the tennis playing population. They are just different.
     
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    Who is this guy?

    Gotta love the enthusiasm though.... reminds me of a chiuaua trying to mate with a great dane.... no matter how hard they try.. they never quite get there.
     
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  42. VOLLEY KING

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    I completely agree with you!!

    The Formula is similar to the APD but they play nothing alike. The Formula is just so much more powerful and less maneuverable. I absolutely hate that racquet. Its a grandma stick.

    The Pro One on the other hand also plays differently than the APD. But they are not the most similar racquets on the the planet as someone has said.

    I find the Pro one to be more manueverable , more control oriented with no loss in power when compared to the APD. hence they do play differently except for the power which is equal.

    I also agree that the APD plays different than any other racquet. I love that stick and again it is indeed unique.
     
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  43. VOLLEY KING

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    **** most disimilar racquets on the planet
     
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    Ok shall I give up?

    probably a smart thing ...thats how Im still married.

    In the words of a famous poet;

    "To keep your marriage brimming with Love in the loving cup...

    Whenever your wrong admit it but

    whenever your right shut up"

    Im going to shut up. Enjoy! :)
     
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    ^ No... keep going.

    I admire your spunk.

    Usually 'new users' type-up the proverbial 'Hi, I'm just getting back into tennis and..' intro-post.... or learn how the search function works.

    You're full steam ahead even if the tracks end, you keep going... and there is something to be said for that. ;)
     
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  46. VOLLEY KING

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    bad advice. Im done.

    But I actually dont think even Drak disagreed with me about the Formula stick ....did he?

    I think the formula sticl is meant for really low level players. Its more powerful than the APD but is far less maneuverable. Its a piece of crap in my opinion.

    The pro one whether you believe its different than the APD or not is a gre4at stick. In fact i have not heard anything bad aboput it.

    So in conclusion I think we all actually agree.

    we can now move on and have a nice day . :)
     
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  47. ollinger

    ollinger Legend

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    As Lou Grant said to Mary, "Mary, you've got spunk....I hate spunk!!!"
     
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  48. SteveI

    SteveI Legend

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    Nice work.. come back soon...:)
     
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  49. VOLLEY KING

    VOLLEY KING Banned

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    LOL....no mopre spunk here....Im done.

    But to just stay on topic......

    The formula is a piece of crap. Im saving you guys a lot of money trust me.
    your welcome.
     
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  50. klementine

    klementine Hall of Fame

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    VOLLEY KING,
    I think it best to post in the odds/ends, General Pro Disc, or Match results section for awhile.

    Learn the timeless craft of how to debate with some TTr's and build up your post #'s.

    Then come back to the racquet section and unleash your newly honed skills on the world of internet forum debate.

    Seemed to work for Fedace.
     
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