Donnay Pro One 97 users club

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  1. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Mr. Rockstar - Something in the way you are verbalizing impact sensation has me thinking you are describing the string feel not the frame feel? Also I cant quite figure out the strings you have. There's a lot that doesn't make sense to me here.

    1. Re "ball pocketing" that phrase is typically used to describe the string bed cupping the ball, not the frame flexing. Frames don't pocket the ball, strings do.

    2. Both of the strings you have shown in your photo appear to be black. I've not seen any Mantis strings which are black. Comfort poly 16 is bright yellow. Comfort Synth 16 is beige. Power Poly 17 is light grey. Power Synth 17 is amber.

    3. There is no string called "Mantis Comfort Synthetic Poly 16", there is a Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16. I'm assuming this is your cross string. Its a much softer multi, at 162 lbs per/in, but if this is your cross string, it's not going to dampen a stiff poly main very much, as the mains account for most of the impact feel.

    4. Re Mantis Comfort Polyester, there's nothing comfortable about that string. It's been tested at 271 lbs/in. See link . The stiffness range for polys is 165 - 302, so it's one of the stiffer polys out there.

    5. Not sure which u have in the mains or crosses, because u might have have mis-named the string, but polys and multis dont make the best hybrid partners either way. Gut mains and a soft co-poly crosses r a much better hybrid for both arm safety and easy spin production. I'm assuming from the names of the string you were hoping for a soft string bed, I'm thinking you missed the target by quite a bit. If you'd like to follow me on my quest for a soft co-poly to use as a cross with gut mains, I've posted a thread devoted to that topic here.

    6. Re the feel of the 18x20 P1: I've played both the 18x20 and the 16x19 version of the P1 side by side with a ball machine, trading back and forth between sticks. IMO, they feel really similar, its just that the 18x20 pattern makes the string bed a bit stiffer, and it hits a flatter ball. I know that you've used the 16x19 in the past, I think you'd feel the same difference.

    Having said all of that, if what you want in a frame is lots of feed back, none of these 2nd Generation Donnay frames are right for you. Not sure what you mean by "dead feeling" or "hitting with a frying pan", but these frames are designed to minimize shock and vibration. That's what they do. Some players like a more "informative" frame so to speak. It might be a case of A - attempting to create a soft string bed, but mistakenly creating a stiff one. B - you might just prefer a frame with more impact feedback. Or C - Perhaps you prefer a frame with a bit more flex, the PK QTour you reference is more flexible at 63. Anywhoo, that's my take on it. Rock on, Mr. Rockstar.

    Hope this helps!

    -Jack
     
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  2. mrrockstar

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    Thanks ChicagoJack for your detailed reply.

    I think my stringer tagged my X-Dual Pro wrongly, please see attached.
    (I think is a full bed of Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String, main 54/ cross 52)

    But no matter how, hitting my X-Dual Pro, just like hitting with a frying pan you mentioned. No comfort, no Pop, no ball pocketing as in my Qtour

    I also attached jpg string setting of ProKennex Qtour here.

    What I am curious is, should there any diff between X-Dual Pro and P1 18x20?

    I had P1 16x19 before, a very comfortable, zero vibration, powerful, maneuverable. But downside is lack of accuracy, and lack of pop (the instant feedback like Prestige or Qtour, something like you can feel a very sharp feedback and hear a very crispy Pop sound when hitting on sweetspot)

    BTW, very appreciate your reply, thanks again.

    X-Dual Pro
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    ProKennex Qtour
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  3. Backhanded Compliment

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    Thinking about picking up an discounted x-dual pro instead of a microgel radical MP when I play those who hit nothing but junk at me... and I like the PJ. Is the x-dual pro much different from the pro One 18x20?
     
  4. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Rockstar,

    Cool no problemo, glad to help. The mystery is becoming less mysterious to me. Re: Is the X-Dual Pro different from the 18x20 P1?

    Short Answer: If they are not the same darn racquet, they are pretty close, and both are firmer than the average P1 16x19. Depends more upon the differences in the flex of individual racquets. From your sticker I can see that your personal X-P Dual, has an (unstrung) RA of 69. TW indicates that the average (strung) Pro One 18x20 is 68 ra. Stringing makes a slight difference in measurable stiffness, but either way, that's going to be a firmer hit, compared to your two other frames of reference, P1 16x19 at 64 ra (strung) or your PK Q-Tour at 63.

    Long Answer: I'm not the expert here, but as I understand it, the X-Dual Pros were the early models that grew out of the testing for James Blake's Racquet. They didn't sell very well at $270 US. So they changed the name to Pro One, which always sold very well, and brought the price down. They share the same mold, they are the same beam thickness and shape. That just leaves the question of layup differences. Unless you have access to the production floor, nobody here can say for certain if there are layup material differences between the two. Personally I can't see Donnay sinking anymore R&D $ into a frame that they finessed to the inth degree, didn't sell well, and then re-branded. Aside from the glossiness of the paint, there's no obvious differences that the racquet sleuths around here can detect. If I am wrong, I'm sure said racquet sleuths will surface to set the record straight.

    So this is making more sense now. You have a frame that is a bit firmer than both your Q-Tour and your old P1 16x19. You have string which (despite the soft sounding names) are actually creating a pretty stiff string bed, and you have put that string into a closed pattern, which makes it even stiffer feeling. All of that certainly adds up to the impact feel you are describing.

    Just curious: When you had your P1 16 x19, what string and tension did you have in it?

    - Jack
     
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  5. ChicagoJack

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    Somewhat off topic...

    Jeezy creezy! Just finished watching the P1 18 x 20 video review. There's two guys ( at 2:35 ) heading for some serious arm pain if they keep muscling the ball like that. Hurts me just to watch it. Yikes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql2qc6vNlig&feature=relmfu
     
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  6. airdupont

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    TW should swap some of their testing team....make 2 teams 1 for the leisure racquets and not guys who don't have proper technique and the 2nd with tour raccquets and guys with decent enough technique. Sometimes the reviews are a joke
     
  7. mrrockstar

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    My P1 16x19 was strung with
    Luxilon Savage Lime 52lbs (main) / Gosen Micro Sheep 16 54lbs (Cross)

    Thk!
     
  8. Xonemains

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    LOL, yeah not a good look but he was returning serve, sometimes you just gotta get it over the net. if that dude was doing it all the time which i think he dosent, then its a problem. the only thing that can save his arm then is the P1 16 x 19, hahaha

    nice pick up though, didnt know people look at the reviews that closely:)
     
  9. Xonemains

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    i reckon they should get one decent 5.0 forum member to join in on the reviews!!

    probably wont happen though, because they do a pretty good job already
     
  10. ultradr

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    Well, I'm in similar boat, should I say...
    I have been demoing P1 18x20 and playing with X-dual Pro for about a month or so.

    I felt similar as you but not conclusive yet. I strung X-dual pro with Babolat
    Tonic+ 15L at 61 lbs. My P1 18x20 demos were strung at 55 lbs with multi's.

    I think 61 was too high for x-dual pro despite natural gut. will go down to 57/58
    and see how it feels. I think I will also get P1 18x20 and string at same tension.

    And I will examine the string patterns. Not all 18x20 are same. the spacings between main could be different.

    i'm basically in process of searching for a replacement for 5 year old head prestige midplus...
     
  11. TheLambsheadrep

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    email me about the x-dual pro please, ap_rockandroll @ yahoo . com
     
  12. DrewRafter8

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    After two weeks with a P1 16x19 and a Gold 99 in hand, I'm starting to figure out which one I like. I like the feel of the Gold much more, but the P1 is what I'm playing better with. Last night I took them for a test drive with a guy who hits his forehand about as hard as anyone I know of around my area. I've played him multiple times and took out the Gold first. It hit well, but it wasn't very solid when he was smoking a cross court forehand. The Gold isn't flimsy but I think that the thinner beam may lend itself to be a little unwieldy. However, my play with the P1 was fantastic. I didn't really care for the P1 the first time or two I hit with it, but it definitely has grown on me. What I think I'd like to find is a P1 that feels more like the Gold. I keep hearing the echo of the IG Rad Pro in the back of my head. I'm going to demo until the new racquets come out over the next month or so and make a decision. The P1 16x19 is definitely in the running!
     
  13. Shangri La

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    I had a Gold 99 and now the P1. The Gold has a bit more feel but the P1 is more solid and offers more performance. I generally like sub-12oz semi-flexy 16x19 racquets and am happy with the Dunlop Bio 200G. The new Blade 16x19 has also got me interested.
     
  14. Xonemains

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    Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new Blade 16 x 19 as well.

    When the pro shop gets these new ones in for demo, I'll test and compare to our P1's. it might be quicker but I doubt it will be as solid. Just gotta wait and see now, lol, :)
     
  15. chizzle

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    I hit with the Blade 98 16-19 at the Wilson Spin Ev Tour. It's definitely going to win some folks, but IMO its still not as comfortable as the P1 16-19.

    I just play better than I ever have with the P1. I win 50% now against friends I lost to 75% of the time, just this summer.

    I have two matched P1s on the way, selling the Rad Pros.
     
  16. mrtrinh

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    do you mind comparing the new blade 98 16x19 to the p1 in more detail?
    power
    spin
    stiffness
    serve
    volleys

    I doubt ill switch to the new blade but it looks like an awesome frame!
     
  17. chizzle

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    I hit with the Blade for about 20 minutes, so it's not an in depth comparison.

    Power: I thought the blade had slightly more power.
    Spin: P1 has more spin, but that may just be me, the ball seems to dwell longer on the P1.
    Stiffness: Definitely the Blade. Wasn't bad, just stiffer.
    Serve: didnt' serve with the Blade.
    Volleys: I liked the volleys with the Blade just as much. I just think the P1 is more maneuverable overall though
     
  18. Xonemains

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    Man, this racquet is basically what a pro stock with power feels like. For a retail price.

    I just want to bump this thread b4 the blades 16 x 19 takes over the kingdom.

    The wilson will probably be easier to resell after you have finish with them.
     
  19. suppawat

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    I used to think Donnay Pro One paint job is boring. Now big names go black too.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. airdupont

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    Black rackets rule, I'll have my Pro One 16x19 in 27,5 inches tomorrow....finally(thanks to Sandy)
     
  21. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    I'm not in the club but I hit with the Pro One 16x19 on Saturday with a string job I would never even consider and it was dead solid with little to no vibration. I was very impressed with the frame in its stock form and would like to try one with the Donnay tuning package. Good stuff.
     
  22. jjs891

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    A brief comparison with your current stick Head rad pro would be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  23. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    They are actually fairly similar and I took to the Pro One right away. My Rad Pros have a 340 SW and are very stable but I found the stability of the Pro One to be comparable. I felt like I can apply a bit more spin with the Rad Pros but not enough of a difference that it would scare me away from the Pro One (and can probably be explained by my string setup). One difference that stood out was the flex of the racquets. While I like a soft racquet and have had wrist tendinitis issues in the past, the stiffer feel of the Pro One did not present a problem and I felt like I had better directional control over my current racquets. The biggest difference between the two was the feel on off center shots, they just felt more solid with the Pro One. Less vibration and shock. I think Donnay has a winner on their hands and this just went on my very short consideration list for replacement racquets for my Rad Pros (the other being Volkl PB10 Mid).
     
  24. jjs891

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    Thank you Thomas M

    Are you playing the Donnay stock?
     
  25. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    No problem.

    The one I tried was stock with Alu Power rough mains and Prince Syn Gut w/ Duraflex on the crosses. I can only imagine how much nicer it would feel with my poor man's Federer setup.
     
  26. Xonemains

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    always posting the best informative pics, thanks Sup!!

    remember when everyone hated the paint job of the P1's??

    LOL, so now the big guys are copying Donnay then
     
  27. Xonemains

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    every once in a while an advance guy tries this stick and says exactly what you said.

    the rest who have tried it and hasnt switched just cannot handle a higher swingweight maybe?

    let us know how you go with a extended demo
     
  28. tennisnut09

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    I am about to switch racket. I need your help. I am a bit confused about the swing weight of this racket.....Is it 325 or is it 330 ish??? I play the PDR 2012. My 2 racket SW = 325.
     
  29. Kal-El 34

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    everyone jumping on the pro one bandwagon... the pro one is one of the nicest looking frames on the market and now everyone wants a piece of it
     
  30. JackB1

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    its definitely more 330'sh
     
  31. JackB1

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    its a decent frame, but I wouldn't go that far.
     
  32. rlau

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    Kal-El is probably referring to the paint job similarities mentioned in post #326
     
  33. Jocke

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    There's a difference in SW between different strings. My P1 measures 293 unstrung which I think should be <325 strung.
     
  34. Broly4

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    I've played with the pro one this month (16x19) here is my feedback:
    Pros:
    Stability, really solid, also has that pro feel difficult to find in retail frames.
    Cons:
    Too much power for me, I favour 18x20 sticks despite hitting with heavy top-spin. I'd like the head shape to be rounder, a la Wilson blade, or dunlop f3.0 tour.
     
  35. Mig1NC

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    If I may be so bold as to ask, what is the bar code on that stick?

    I may want to order one.

    Also, it is interesting that the TW product page lists a higher average than the single samples used on the TWU page. Granted, an average by definition means there are some higher and some lower.

    I seem to recall that the TWU sample is like 324 or something.
     
  36. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    I'm gonna ask my friend if I can throw a nicer set of strings in there for him. He bought it used with the ALU Rough/PSGD already worn out. I wanna give this thing a fair shot. Once I do that I'll report back.

    I just think it takes a certain type of person who likes the heavier swingweight. Whether it's golf or tennis I just like feeling a little more weight at the end. I feel like it smooths the golf swing/tennis stroke out and helps out when I strike it off center or am pulled wide.

    I see my buddy tonight. It probably won't take much to convince him to let me put in some fresh strings at no charge. :)
     
  37. Xonemains

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    Are you really using the yt rad pro with gut at 54?

    How much power do you need?

    Wow, I would hate to be returning your serves man
     
  38. Jocke

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    Barcode is 309316660700. If I understand it correctly it means weight 309 (actual weight 307), balance 31,6 (actual bal 31,8), stiffness 66 (actual 68 unstrung).
     
  39. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    Actually my serve is the weakest part of my game. I played on red clay for years and was content to spin them in and grind out the points. Now that I'm in my mid thirties I'm working to flatten out the first for some free points. Playing a young man's grinding game on hard courts now got this senior citizen a congratulatory kiss from Achilles tendinitis.

    The YT Rad Pro is an uncontrollable, awesome feeling cannon in stock form. I could not keep the ball on the court and was chewing through strings every two hours (TNT 16 and NRG 16 as I was a late convert to polys). After two sessions I put them up for sale but on a whim put half an ounce of lead tape on the handle and put a poly/syn gut hybrid in and they were like new racquets. Still had a nice heft in hand and that soft, comfortable feel but the power had been tamed. The natural gut in the mains and poly on the cross is comfortable, produces the most spin of any strings I've used and the poly really reigns in the power of the natural gut. Previously I was using Fischer Pro One's with TNT or NRG at 67 lbs but I've been working my way down. Don't think I'll be able to go any lower with the YT Rad Pros.
     
  40. Torres

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    Hello Donnay peeps....

    What is the feel of this like through the frame on striking the ball?

    It's it like any of the following?

    BLX 6.1, 90 etc
    Youtek Prestige
    IG Prestige
    BLX Juice Pro
    Dunlop 4Ds
    Babolat APDC etc
     
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  41. Shangri La

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    To me the Donnays have a unique feel to them and are not like anything else on the market. The best feeling Donnay I have hit with is the Red 94. The Pro One's ball feel isn't as sweet/unfiltered, but it's still very Donnay.
     
  42. getsby

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    quality control is questionable, given the disparity of the stated parameters and barcode
     
  43. airdupont

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    Had my first hit with my Pro One(97 16x19) XL. Wow, what a great feeling. It's a bit head heavier then my Pure Drive +'s, so I will still have to get adapted to it but I have never hit this easy as with this stick. Thumbs op Donnay!
     
  44. chizzle

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    I finally pulled the trigger on two matched P1s (16 by 19). I'm just so amazed at how much better I'm playing. I beat one of the best 4.5s in the city in our last team match. Hoping for more success and barring injury (sucks being 42), I feel a great spring singles season coming on.

    As far as string, I can't find anything better than Tour Bite 16L. And, I like this stick with the 5g buttcap the best.

    This racquet does have some qualities of the PS90 (it has plow and all court capability unlike the Rad Pro (has plow but just yuck at the net)..).
     
  45. tennisnut09

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    So there is still a chance that I can find a matching pair with the SW around 324???
     
  46. airdupont

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    I play with the Tour Bite 16L as well...it's the best stick ever!!
     
  47. getsby

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    18x20 or 16x19?
     
  48. airdupont

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    16X19 and 27,5
     
  49. getsby

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    add me :) I bought P1 18x20 and I'm pleased with her. Stable, a great feel, powerful. I also ordered a second :)
     
  50. Roforot

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    Thinking about trying out the P1 (both versions). How do the grip sizes compare to Babolat's?

    I've seen comparisons to the regular pure drive. Anyone have xp w/ the Pure Drive roddick?
     

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