Donnay X-Dual Core Platinum 99 or Platinum 94?

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Which racket do you like more?

  1. Platinum 99

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  2. Platinum 94

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    62.5%
  1. i_heart_ib

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    For those of you who have tried the two rackets, which one was your favorite? What were the advantages or disadvantages of each one? Is one stiffer than the other? (I've had shoulder problems, so I'm trying to stay away from a stiff racket that will cause more problems).

    Thanks!
     
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  2. UWBTennis

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    I'm wondering this too, if anybody could offer their opinion it would help?
     
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  3. i_heart_ib

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    For those of you who have tried it out and have had arm problems, did this racket feel comfortable?
     
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  4. highgeer

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    Neither rackets is hard on my arm. THe 94 feels tighter (more solid)to me, so it can be perceived as being stiffer, but I don' think it is. The 99 is already extremely stable, so I'm not sure you need more stability, but I like the feel of the 94 better. I have found that midpluses give me more problem in my elbow than mids. This is probably because I sometimes tend to open up too early on my openstance forehand, which causes me to hit balls in the upper hoop. I also hit a lot of serves in the upper hoop as well. This produces more vibration that results in elbow pain. I find this happens more with lighter MPs (under 12.5 oz.)like Speed MP, Prestige MP, lighter princes, Bab, etc. I can feel this more with the 99s than with the 94s. If I string the 99 with a stiff poly at 58+, it would give me problems. I think that if you use a 2HBH you might prefer the 99s, if you use a 1HBH then you might migrate toward the 94. Even though the 99 is great at the net, for me, the 94 is better. Also the old all-court 94 vs. baseliner 99. The Silver seems stiffer than the Platinum, but this might be weight differences.

    Mike
     
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  5. i_heart_ib

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    Thanks this helped a lot. I have a 2-handed backhand and I'm a baseliner, so it seems like the 99 would be more my style.
     
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  6. i_heart_ib

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    As of now, seems like people have a hard time deciding which racket is better. They both have 4 votes
     
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  7. Miami Tiburon

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    the 94 is my pick . great all around frame
     
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  8. Limpinhitter

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    Would someone be good enough to explain the differences between the X and Dual series in terms of construction and playing characteristics? Also, why does the Platnum seem to be the more popular other Dual frames on TT?

    Thanks!
     
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  9. neverstopplaying

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    There is a whole thread that compares x-series to dual-core. As to why the platinums, they are players frames in a tight string pattern, but very easy to swing, stable, comfortable and more powerful than many comparative racquets.
     
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  10. i_heart_ib

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    Does anyone (TW staff?) know why tennis warehouse has the Platinum 94 listed with a higher stiff rating (65) than the Platinum 99 (61)? Shouldn't they be the same?
     
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  11. UWBTennis

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    The difference between the X and Dual Series is just another layer of xenecore around the graphite for the Dual Series, Donnay claims this to give the racket more power and reduce vibration, take out of it what you will, but the reviews on TT have seem to be positive so far, as to why they're popular, just read the Donnay thread to find out the owner's opinion.
     
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  12. Agent Orynge

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    The Donnays don't play like true 99s. Many of the newer ~100 square inch models, from any manufacturer, extend the head equally in all directions - relative to that brands general head shape, that is. Donnays have a more traditional oval shaped head, but the 99s extend further towards the yoke, with little additional expansion at 3 and 9 o' clock. The effect is similar to the Dunlop Biomimetic 200 Plus (for those of you who have seen one up close), only not as pronounced. Basically, the string plane is rather narrow on the 99s, the sweetspot extends downwards, and the overall effect is a 99 that hits more like a 95 or lower.
     
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  13. i_heart_ib

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    So does the 94 hit more like a 90?
     
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  14. highgeer

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    No, it hits like a 94. The 99s are elongated 94s.

    Mike
     
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    Which makes the extra surface area pretty pointless, if you ask me. All you get for the effort is a diluted sweetspot and a little forgiveness in the bottom of the hoop.
     
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  16. i_heart_ib

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    So you would say that the 94 is better?

    Just wondering, but is the handle of both rackets the same length?
     
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  17. highgeer

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    Both rackets are 27 inches. There is a little bit more throat area in the 94.
    Whereas in the 99, the hoop extends down toward the handle.
    Mike
     
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  18. Agent Orynge

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    'Better' infers a degree of objectivity that I'm not entirely certain is possible. Any racquet can be 'better' or worse, but it all depends on the player. You have to decide for yourself which racquet is optimal for your game.
     
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    As you may recall, I currently play with Londons and I believe you did at one point. Did you try out other Donnays (Gold, Silver in particular) before settling on the Platinum? And why did you choose the 99 (isn't that what you're using?) as opposed to the 94? Am considering demo'ing each (and maybe Golds) but was curious about how you got to where you are now after playing with the London. Thanks.
     
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  20. i_heart_ib

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    I would like to hear that as well.
     
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    Which can be nice on a 2hbh though.

    But I agree, the 99s swing like 95s which is another reason I like them.
     
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  22. i_heart_ib

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    Forehand wise, are both rackets similar, or is one better than the other?

    Also, kind of unrelated, but if I order a racket from TW, do you know if I could request one of the Platinums with a lower stiffness rating? They said they took the AVERAGE stiffness rating out of their stock of rackets to post as the official stiffness rating of the racket, so there must be some with lower than average stiffness rating right?
     
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  23. i_heart_ib

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    Also, does 5 square inches really make that much of a difference?
     
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  24. neverstopplaying

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    Why switch from the London? I was hitting with a pro every day for two weeks while on vacation in April. Pro was using a AG 200 - I was using the London. We switched racquets for fun. Pro said my balls were much heavier and I played considerably better with the Dunlop. I could feel the difference in plow through and directional control, but found the power level quite low.

    I picked up some Dunlops as they are cheap I figured I'd play with them while looking for a permanent racquet. I got quite used to the power level, but it was a little demanding and I couldn't dial in a heavy kick serve.

    So why the Plat? I can handle the players frames but wanted just a touch of added power. i didn't want to lose any of the positive attributes of the Dunlop. I think the Plat does this best. Wanted to stay with the 18x20 and the spin is crazy for this string pattern - I think this is because for the relatively low SW. Why 99? I play a lot on clay in the summer and feel reassured with the little extra surface area. I don't know if I would get the same spin from the 94?

    I strung it up today for the first time with full poly (Cyclone 17) @ 45, and was very,very impressed.

    I think that I just have a little too much game for the London, though it is a very good racquet. In some ways they feel similar, but the power is more controllable with the Platinum. They both swing light and you have to be careful not to accelerate too quickly.
     
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  25. Power Player

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    It can for me on clay.
     
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  26. i_heart_ib

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    Any info or insight on how the Golds compare to the Platinum will also be appreciated
     
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  27. Agent Orynge

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    Are you going to demo them, or what?
     
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  28. i_heart_ib

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    Yeah, but we (me and a friend) only have 2 slots left. First 2 slots are going to be the Volkl Power Bridge 10 Mid and the Prince EXO3 Tour 100. I think right now for the other 2 slots we are leaning towards the Platinum 99 and the Gold 94
     
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  29. i_heart_ib

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    We were also considering the Dunlop Biometric 200 and the Dunlop Biometric 300 Tour, both received pretty good ratings from TW (83 and 84, respectively). If anyone has tried those rackets and also the Donnay Duel Cores, which ones did you like the most.

    Me and my friend are both 4.0 rated players, I'm a baseliner with a western grip for my forehand and a 2-handed backhand. My friend is an all-court playe, also with a western grip for forehands, but he has a 1-handed backhand.
     
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  30. KLE

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    Since you will demo some Dunlop rackets and you are also a 4.0 level, I highly recommend that you should try out the Dunlop 4d 100.

    I had Head Microgel: Radical, Prestige Pro, Wilson: Pro Staff 85, NCode 95, Prince: Graphite, TT Warrior, Dunlop: 4D 300, 4D 300 Tour, AG 300, AG 500, AG 500 Tour.

    None of the above can beat the 4D 100. Again this is my personal reference in these rackets.

    Good luck in racket hunting.

    For more info about 4D 100, here the link's thread that people discussed about it:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=211949
     
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  31. Agent Orynge

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    It sounds to me like you just want to know what the best stick is. You're going to wear out peoples' patience pretty quick if you ask about every racquet under the sun, so just pick some demos, and if you want to try more afterwards, demo again. Meanwhile, feel free to roam the forums for info on particular sticks - there's a club dedicated to almost every one - or cruise TW proper for their product reviews and feedback. There's no shortage of information already out there, you just gotta make the effort and do some research.
     
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  32. Big Tigger

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    One more question here.

    Is the dual finishing (arround the throat) shiny as the X's?

    Tx.

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  33. Power Player

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    No it is matte finish and IMO looks better.
     
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  34. tennisfarmer

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    yes i agree matte finish looks better, i just purchased a plat 99, patiently waiting:)
     
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  35. aimr75

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    yeah, much prefer matte finishes.. has an interesting texture, almost rubbery.. the blue section at 3/9 on the other hand is quite smooth
     
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  36. i_heart_ib

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    Be sure to report back and tell us how the 99 is =)

    Also, why did you choose the 99 and not the 94? Anything major that you found to be better in the 99?
     
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  37. caprivi

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    I chose a 94 and am enjoying it a lot. It moves through the air really quickly like the PK black ace mid, but is stiffer--though still comfortable as it has really good shock absorption. It's not as demanding or powerful as a PS88. To me, it's like a cross between a PS88 and a Fischer. Slice is really effortless and the handle is long enough for a two-hander. The grip does seem a bit smaller than most.
     
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  38. i_heart_ib

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    Yeah, as a guy with shoulder problems, the stiffness worries me. People are saying that Donnay's "system" is making it so there's less vibration on the arm, but I'm not sure.
     
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  39. JGads

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    Played tonight with the 94 and 99. Had trouble keeping the ball in with the 99 but played very well with the 94. Further impressions, though a little brief, can be found in the "Diary" thread, but overall found great pop on serve with the 94, extremely easy depth and that superior slicing ability that's a trademark of these frames.

    But really, can't properly talk about the frames until I get new string put in. Mine came strung with Donnay's hybrid setup that to me is just plain awful. No feel of the ball, whatsoever. Just wetness. Hope to crisp it up shortly. I'll be putting B5E in one frame, Kirschbaum PLII in the other initially, and then MIGHT try Tour Bite down the line, if I'm still trying to find that desired crispiness.
     
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  40. i_heart_ib

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    Any update with the new strings?
     
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  41. tennisfarmer

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    not really. if i could choose i would of liked a platinum to be a 96 headsize with an open string pattern.I also asked donnay to send me a plat 99 that was 11.5 oz and they said they will:)
     
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  42. JGads

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    Nope, was out of town this weekend, will pick it back up this week and report back.
     
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  43. i_heart_ib

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    Alright sounds good.

    And dang, seems like the 94 is running away with this thing, 26-12
     
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  44. Limpinhitter

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    If it's true. I'd like to see a few pics of a 94 on top of a 99 to see how the head shape differs.
     
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  45. el sergento

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    Just a heads up on these frames. I had a chance to play with a 99 for a couple of days and it's indeed very powerful and very stiff.

    I won't get into the specifics, because it's a very special frame with a lot to offer but be advised that it's a very powerful racquet and it's very stiff.

    To control the power you pretty much have to string full poly at low tensions. This means that on top of a stiff frame you now have a stiff string bed. Yes, I know, there are some "soft" polys out there but still, a hybrid didn't tame the power for me in this frame, so most likely, full poly is the only way to go.

    Now, despite the stiffness, it doesn't really "feel" as stiff as it is, so it's a rather deceiving frame. However, the end result is the same, because of the stiffness, sore joints will probably be even sorer in the morning. No such thing as a free lunch, you want the power, you have to pay the price.

    My 0.2c
     
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  46. Power Player

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    It's not very stiff. I don't think that is accurate wording. Every player who has used mine says it is flexier than their Wilson or Babolat. Those racquets are very stiff, the Platinum is not.

    I had a hybrid in it and could easily control the power as well. Look, if all of that is true, I will sell my platinums because I don't want a stiff overpowered racquet that MUST have poly in it. But for me, it honestly was not the case.

    They rate the stiffness of the racquet on TW at 61.

    But I will be coming off a wrist injury that the Plat allowed me to play through for an extra month when I should have been tapped out. If I encounter all of these issues, I will go to a Black Ace and let everyone know as well to be fair.
     
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    Well, it's just my experience of course. But how else to explain so much power in this frame if it really isn't that stiff? The SW isn't that high, it's probably well below 330.

    Like I said, if feels comfortable, and doesn't feel like a 70 RA racquet, so after one casual hitting session it's normal for folks to think that it's softer than their sticks. And all credit to Donnay for making such a thing possible, their dual core tech really works.

    However, as someone with chronic shoulder problems (torn labrum) I can tell you that after 4 good, 2+ hour hitting sessions with the Plat 99 that my shoulder hurt way more than after weeks worth of hitting with my regular frame.

    I also started to get pain in my hand for the first time in my life. The tip of my index finger actually went a bit numb on me. Now, I also attribute this to having to squeeze the grip harder because a No.3 grip on a Donnay is smaller than both Wilson and Head.

    Either way, I hope your wrist problems recede and that you can continue playing with the Platinums. But, as someone with arm issues, I can tell you that the plats did my shoulder no favors.

    The power is indeed addictive, but so are pain killers :)
     
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  48. Power Player

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    Well we shall see what happens with me, but at that point I would have to go ProKennex for comfort since I have tried every stick in the book.

    I got the same hand pain from a few racquets when they had leather grips. Discovered that was giving me problems.

    The power comes from the frame being a solid frame. It is not hollow, which is why other racquets have to be so stiff and use wider beams.
     
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  49. el sergento

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    Well, how much of that is marketing really. I have a KPS 88. Dunno if it's solid all the way through, but it is thin beamed and the Plat 99 blows it out of the water when it comes to power.

    I'm finally handing the 99 over to it's owner that hasn't even tried it yet. He's used to stiffer frames than me so it'll be interesting to see what he thinks.

    Cheers
     
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  50. Power Player

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    It's truly a solid racquet, even the handle is filled as well when you open it.
     
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