As the title says, I am looking for either of those frames in a 4 5/8 grip size. I would like the condition of the frame to be at least 8.5/10. I am not looking to pay too much ($90 shipped max) on this frame because it will be a backup. I will consider a 4 1/2 grip, if the deal is good. Please e-mail me at: sunmin1977@Yahoo.com. Thanks, TW.