Donnay X-P Dual

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  1. captainobvious

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    Since the X-series thread is now of monumental proportions, I figured I'm better off just posting a new thread for this different frame. Im very interested in the Donnay XP Dual frame as I like the specs...

    Head size: 102sqi
    Unstrung Weight: 295g
    Unstrung Balance: 315mm
    Strung Weight: 11.0oz
    Strung Balance: 6 Points HL
    Strung Swing Wt: 310
    String Pattern: 16x19
    Stiffness (RDC): 59
    Grip: Cushion
    Rec. String Tension: 55lbs (+/- 5)
    Beam Width: 19/23/18mm**
    Length: 27
    Technology: Dual XeneCore



    Can any users please post your thoughts on this frame, what you did and didnt like about it...sweetspot size/power/spin/stability, etc. Thanks!

    Im considering picking one of these up to try out. I dont know of any place nearby or online that demo's these so I might have to bite the bullet... :(


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  2. captainobvious

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    I'll be the guinnea pig...ordered one with the weight customization kit. Lets see what this thing can do...
     
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    I think you will be happy with the frame, very solid hit, and with the Xenecore very comfortable on the arm. I recommend a soft poly or multi string, seems to play best with that combo. Enjoy the racquet.
     
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  4. captainobvious

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    Thanks MT. I was thinking of trying Head FXP or some NXT
     
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    Well, racquet arrived yesterday (Thanks Donnay! wow)

    I did get a chance to get some hitting in with it so I'll give my initial thoughts, but I'll need some more time with it to get it dialed in.

    First off, these appear to be very well made racquets. Clean, no crazy graphics, nice paint jobs, etc. The finish on the racquet is smooth, yet lightly grippy/tacky. It reminds me of the soft rubbery feel some cell phone shells have. The racquet has a nice balance to it and came with the weight accessory kit (this is a $30 charge FYI). A 5 gram and 10 gram weighted butt cap, and 3 weight strips for the hoop. Buyer beware though that the X-P Dual does not have a channel for the weight strips at the top of the hoop, only on the sides. If you want weight at 12, just use some lead tape.

    This racquet reminds me of a mix between the Volkl Organix x10 and the Head IG Instinct. The power is on par with the Instinct, but it has more control and more spin (at least with the string setup the racquet has on it which appears to be a generic string mix of poly mains and syn gut crosses). I was able to get some good whip and power on serves and some very good spin too. For a first time out with this racquet, it immediately felt pretty comfortable in this reguard which is unusual for me. It usually takes some time to adjust to a different balance/feeling racquet. Forehands I was able to generate alot more topspin than usual. This racquet can really impart some spin on the ball! For comparison, I'd say its *close* to the EXO3 Tour Team, which is a spin monster.
    As for comfort, Im happy to say that I got no shoulder pain and felt no vibrations/shock from the racquet during play, even without the dampener.
    For an inital outting, Im pretty impressed with this stick. Im not a great player, but Ive been searching for a while now for a racquet that felt comfortable for me in all areas and really felt like an extension of the arm so that I can stop focusing on a racquet and focus more on improving my game. This is certainly a stick I could be happy with for a long time based on my initial impressions. I'm going to give it some time and see how it works for me.

    I would say this racquet would be good for someone looking for a good tweener that has great spin, control and provides more power than a players frame.


    And of course, a few pics...

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    Donnay PJs rule.
     
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  10. captainobvious

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    I agree, this thing looks really slick. Understated and classy. :)
     
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  11. cayzi

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    wow. definitely let me know about that stick. :)
     
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    looks awesome
    nice weight/balance also.
     
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  13. captainobvious

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    cayzi- I think this is one that you'd like. The weight/balance are right up your alley with the ones you've been demoing and liking. Its a 102sq in head size and has, I'd say medium power. The sweet spot is larger than the Donnay X-Orange 99 and X Dual White (which BTW is another really great racquet for someone with a bit longer of a swing than me)

    It just has a really solid, yet plush feel to it. Unfortunately, I dont think any online retailers have these to demo. I had to take a chance on it but Im glad I did...Its a great racquet.
     
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  14. cayzi

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    I have a feeling that all X-Dual line is low powered racket.

    I doubt that I will order Donnay except of they have some kind a shop in EU. If I order it from USA I will pay import tax and the racket itself will not e cheap.
     
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  15. captainobvious

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    Yeah, I'd say Low..maybe Low/Medium for *some* of them. The X Dual Silver is actually really, really nice. It was fun to take fast full cracks at the ball and still have them land in :) I just cant do that consistently yet especially when playing players at higher levels that me who will have faster paced balls. Id need more time to setup and get the swing needed. Not a huge problem with the x8 or the X-P Dual though for me as I can still get good power on the ball when needed. The XP I'd say is a little lower powered than the x8 in its current string configuration but tweaking it Im sure I could find just the right setup.

    Whereabouts do you live btw ?
     
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  16. cayzi

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    How much is 102 bigger compare to x8?
     
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  17. captainobvious

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    Its 100sq in vs 102 so not a huge difference
     
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    Here is the text from the Donnay website:

    With our new X-Dual and X-P Dual lines, we now offer players three distinctive choices: X-Series for players with fast full swings who provide their own power and are looking for more touch and feel off the stringbed; the new X-Dual racquets for more pace and depth from the baseline for players with medium-to-fast swings; and X-P Duals for ultimate power for players with short-to-medium swings.

    Generally speaking, I interpret this to mean:
    X-Series - low power
    X-Dual - low to medium power
    X-P Dual - medium to high power

    I own the x-dual silver and love the stick. It is very comfortable provided that you have the proper form.
     
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  19. cayzi

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    Any good news from testing it compare to x8?
     
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    I am interested in this frames what do you think - I can not test it.

    X-Dual Silver
    X- Dual gold
    X-P Dual

    If I understand what donnay have written on their web page it goes like this:

    X-Dual Silver: do not require a full perfect swing but is more on control side than power.

    X-Dual Gold: require full perfect swing, low powered but control side frame

    X-P Dual: something in between, because bigger head size a little more power than silver and gold, less control but still some because of lower beam like competition.

    :-?

    Thanks!
     
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    I'd only change that to say that the X-P Dual would be medium, definitely not on the high side of power. More low-medium/medium.

    If you had a power scale of 1-10 Id say the X-Dual Silver 99 is about a 3 and the X-P Dual a 4-5. In comparison, Id rate the Instinct IG MP as a 6 and the Volkl x8 as a 6.
     
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    I'd say thats pretty accurate. XP Dual has more power that the X-Dual line and the control is still very good. Also has more spin potential with the larger headsize and more open string pattern.

    From another post I made...

    Most power:
    IG Instinct/Volkl x8 tie
    XP Dual
    X Dual Silver 99

    Most Control:
    X Dual Silver 99
    XP Dual/Volkl x8 tie
    IG Instinct

    Best Serves:
    XP Dual
    IG Instinct
    Volkl x8
    X Dual Silver 99

    Best Groundstrokes:
    Volkl x8
    XP Dual
    IG Instinct
    X Dual Silver 99

    Spin/Slice Potential:
    XP Dual
    volkl x8
    IG Instinct/X Dual Silver 99 tie


    Based on your comments for the racquets you've hit, I'd say the best bets are the x8 and the XP Dual. They are both excellent sticks.
     
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  23. cayzi

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    Thanks Captain!

    Did you manage to try X-Dual GOLD racket? What about X10 (295) - is it out of your list, low powered for you?
     
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    Havent tried the X-Dual Gold, and probably wont. Ive used the X Dual Silver 99, X-Orange and XP Dual and while they are all nice, the XP Dual is the best suited for me. The Volkl x10 295 is a very nice racquet but requires a faster/longer swing than I have developed yet, so the x8 is a much more suitable frame for me. Thanks!
     
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    What I do not want on XP Dual is that head would be to big and clumsy. Is it?

    XDual Silver requires mode medium - full stroke so I would guess that gold is even more demanding.
     
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  26. cayzi

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    captainobvious:

    Do you have option to take a picture of a head x8 vs. xp dual? thanks in advance!
     
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    It is really just the opposite the x-dual line of rackets are high powered. I have demoed most of them and the gold had pretty good control, but even the platinum 94 had a lot of power for a racket of that weight and size.

    The silver was close to the x99 white in specs so i was really wanting it to work for me but it was way to powerful. The silver light is better but i have to string at around 60lbs. to get the control i need.

    Everybody has their own power level preference, but these rackets would be very difficult to rate as low powered.
     
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  28. cayzi

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    Thanks tlm.

    What would be your recommendation/conservation comparing Gold and Silver (99 inch head size)?
     
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    The gold swings a little heavier, but has good control and feel. The silver is lighter and still has a good feel, but for me it was much to powerful.
     
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    So even though the gold has more mass the silver was more powerfull?
     
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  31. tlm

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    The silver was much more powerful, not even close. Just because it has more mass does not mean it will be more powerful. A lot of that depends on the level of player and their strokes. An advanced player can get a lot of power out of a heavy small headed racket, where the average player would have a hard time getting enough power out of the same stick.

    But a lighter more powerful racket would not be suited for the more developed player, they would have to really cut back or add a lot more spin to have any kind of decent control with a light power racket. So there is more than just mass that goes into how much power a racket has.
     
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    Do you find the X8 to 'feel' heavy for any reason? I'm using a plat 99 Donnay but thinking of switching to X8
     
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    No, the XP Dual headsize of 102sq in does not 'feel' any larger when swinging than a 98 or 100 size, so no worries there.

    Sure, I'll see if I can get a shot up for you shortly.

    I was expecting the x8 to feel a bit heavier than Im used to because of the 11.4 ounce static weight, but it honestly surprised me. Despite feeling slightly more evenly balanced than the 4pts HL stated, it was very comfortable and not "heavy" feeling at all. I'd definitely recommend demoing it.
     
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    And weight with strings , extra grip (if you are using it) + dumper would be great.

    My test x8 is exactly 330g (strings, overgrip + volkl dumper).
     
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    Thanks -I'll give it a shot- also thinking about babolat storm tour
     
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    When putting the x8 and the X-P Dual back to back, the outside edges of the x8 are actually slightly larger in diameter despite being a 100sq inch head vs 102 for the XP Dual. This is because of the thicker beam/frame on the x8. Also, notice the more open string pattern of the X-P Dual. As much spin as you can generate with the x8, the XP gives jus that much more
     
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  37. cayzi

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    captainobvious thanks for your effort.

    I still thinking what to take : SILVER , GOLD, X-P dual.

    It is hard because I must actually buy it and then test it. :(
     
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    I would recommend the X-P Dual out of those 3 for you. Seeing as how we have had similar issues/likes with the racquets weve tested, I dont think the Silver or Gold will be powerful enough for you. The XP is like a tweaked version of the Instinct...more comfortable, a little heavier, thinner beam yet good power, more control.
     
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    captainobvious: thanks.

    Can you just put this two racket on weight machine? ;)
     
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    Interesting racquet - it looks like it would make for a good hairpin for customizing to monster swingweights and it has the flex that I like. Beam seems a bit wide though.
     
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  41. captainobvious

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    Sorry, dont have a scale for it.
     
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    Demo on the way!


     
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    I called Donnay on this. I am demoing right in the same spec area. The other Donnays did not show much power and I need at least medium. I called Donnay and was told this racket had a little more power then the X line with around the same specs. I found a demo and it is on the way. In addition I am getting a demo customization kit. This should be fun.

    Rackets on my demo list around the same specs;
    BB delta core pro sporster
    Dunlop Aerogel 4d 300
    Volokl Powerbridge 8
    Pro Kennex Destiny Advance
    Head Youtek IG Instinct

    I would appreciate any comments on my demos. Thanks



     
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  44. cayzi

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    I tried this:
    Dunlop Bio 500 Tour
    Volkl Organix 8
    Head Youtek IG Speed 300g
    Head Youttek IG Instinct
    Prince Ex03 White
    Prince Ex03 Black
    Babolat Pure Drive GT (300g)


    From this list I preferred from most wanted to the least:
    Volkl Organix 8
    Head Youtek IG Instinct
    Prince Ex03 Black ( to stiff)
    Babolat Pure Drive GT
    IG Speed 300
    Prince white
    Dunlop bio 500 Tour

    Now I am deciding what to buy (I can not test it):
    x-dual Silver (Captain said that it is LOW powered)
    x-dual gold
    x-p dual

    Will see. Looking to read your comments about it & other frames.

    May I ask which Donnay did you test or use before?


    Regards
     
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    I have not tested any Donnays, just comparing specs, reading reviews and talking to TW people. I did not like the Prince feeling as I like a somewhat stiff feel whether I get it from racket or strings. I also like the feeling of ball pocketing. My favorite is the Vantage bastcores but now to heavy for me. also for some reason I do not like the feel of the Babolats. I also liked the Wilson BLX pro open. I hit with Head last night and liked them but need one in line with my specs which is the Youtek IG Instinct which TW was out of for the demo. I also loved the BB London but just did not feel maneuverable as the bastcores so I bought them. Man it is hard work to find the special one that's fits just us as a individual. Hearing info from others really helps. Did you like the head?

     
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  46. cayzi

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    As you notice last few days I am really hanging on this forum trying to find reliable source of people which knows what they are talking about but then reading a lot of other comments makes you even more confused.

    This is getting even worse since I can not test a Donnay in Eu. I can only read about it and then buy something or spend couple of hundred $$$ to buy 3-4 of them and test it. What I would not like then sold it.

    So I read all the post about Donnay on this forum and I still do know have a feeling what should I take really. :)

    In last phase also x-white and x-dual Silver Lite are interesting to me :) since it is easy to customize. Anyway...my current list is still as I mention many times in this forums (Gold, Silver, x-p dual). :-?

    I liked Head IG 300 on: server, backhand, volley. Racket itself is really low powered and I found out that the head size is smaller or feels smaller than usual 100inch head sizes. Good racket but you must have full swing to get most out of it.
     
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    You are making some good choices in trying the white and silver lite. The white is what i have been playing with for a while now, but i am demoing the silver lite to see if i can tame its power enough to switch. The dual core seems more arm friendly than the x series.
     
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    First impressions?

    I notice that you did not like SILVER to much ... as you mention to much power for you.
     
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  49. tlm

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    The silver lite is nice, very comfy feel and good spin.
     
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  50. cayzi

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    captainobvious and others:

    Can you advice me regarding grip size for Donnay?
    I read that Donnay have even smaller grip sizes than Wilson and even smaller than Babolat, Volkl,...etc...
    I usually used Volkl grip size 3 which is good for me.

    Should I consider taking grip size 4 for Donnay?


    captainobvious: Does the X-P dual feels lighter comparing to X8 since I notice that you have weight 292g ?
     
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