Don't count on Murray winning Wimbledon.

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  1. Fedex

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    Back to old habits today against Youzhny the trend continues dominating, almost playing with opponents then letting them back into it, wasting precious energy and risking injury.
    He has a dodgy back so should be going in for the quick kill instead of stretching things out.
    He's a terrible front runner.
    And what's with all those match points wasted recently. What is going on in his head?
    Lendl must be going round the twist.
    Last year this time was different but mentally now he's checking out again too often.
    He just won't get away with that against Djokovic which is why Murray will not win Wimbledon IMO which is tragic for one so immensely gifted.
    Any supporter will tell you the guy drives you absolutely nuts.
    I'm not getting any hopes up for Wimbledon because I know Andy Murray will tease and lead you to the brink of ecstasy then cruelly dash your hopes grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
     
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    Murray was struggling even more last year at Wimbledon you know....
     
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    Seriously Sid I have had enough of the emotional roller coaster.
    As a supporter of Murray all these years I feel spent and exhausted. And I guarantee you I'm far from being the only one.
    I'm sure that bstrd is doing this deliberately!
     
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    Stay positive man. Murray is a great player. Youzhny played a decent match today. Murray lost his focus for a little bit in the 2nd set tiebreak, but he found his back by hitting some awesome shots (return winner to seal the set? Impressive).

    Djokovic had a bit of a meltdown today as well towards the end of the match.
     
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    You have way too much regard for Djokovic. I think its fair to say that its foolish to assume its in the bag for Murray. But I would regard his as the favorite/co-favorite at this point.

    Djokovic played like crap against Tomic in 2011 and then played sublime tennis vs Rafa. Its not prudent to read too much into the form of each and every match.
     
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    He won in straights blitzing the colonel in the last set, what more can you ask for?
     
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    Djokovic also had a serious wobble against Haas in the 3rd set of their match. He went down a break, recovered it, then got broken again as he was serving for the match. Finally clinched it in the tie-break. His score against Haas was identical to Murray's against Youzhny, except for the order of the sets. If Haas hadn't hit so many errors, it could have been even tighter.

    My point is: no, Murray didn't play his best tennis today and had an unnecessary wobble in the 2nd set. But Djokovic also didn't play his best tennis today and had an unnecessary wobble in the 3rd set. But both came through their matches in straight sets. Both of them have yet to drop a set in the tournament so far.

    Believe me, I know it's not easy Fedex. But keep having faith and keep sending out positive vibes! :wink:
     
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    The Muzz is taking the crown.
     
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    Thanks for the nice words guys but mark my words, as someone who's followed Murray from the beginning, there is something self destructive going on. Something almost sadomasochistic.
    He is a tennis p ervert.
    He derives joy from building up unassailable leads then letting them crumble to nothing knowing the pain caused to millions.
     
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    Your confusing Murray with the English national football team.
     
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    Yes but that is the exception for Djokovic rather than the rule.

    Faith yes that's what it requires. Blind faith.

    I just wish for a Murray match where I can put my feat up with a blanket and hot chocolate or a cigar and whiskey and relax knowing nothing weird is going to happen.
     
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    I dont think any legitimate Murray fan here is getting too ahead of themselfs as im sure no Djokovic fan is getting ahead of themselfs. Yes they are the best 2 players in the world but that means nothing when it comes to a GS. So many players want to prove themselfs and look at the womens draw now, top 3 players out.

    Im a Murray fan but in general i just love good tennis and wimbledon this year has given us some great matches and talking points so i just hope we get more of that and hopefully we get a Djok/Muzz or a final that has neither of them.
     
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    Ha ha that must be bad.
     
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    Muzz will have the entire crowd behind him on Sunday. Probably the line judges too lol. He'll be fine, relax.
    ETA: I hope nothing will come in between that Murray/Djoko clash. It should be a kickass match with both of them looking in good shape and returning so well.
     
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    What is supporting Dundee like in comparison? ;)
     
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    Relax and Murray are two words that don't go.
    The guy has put huge doubts in my head now.
    Holding his side and back and leg, throwing away leads.
    Is he injured, is he tired, spent? Is he going slowly insane? I don't know.
    Murray does not emit positive energy so how can we be expected to be positive?
     
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    Djoker is a very strong favorite for the tournament but Murray is equally a very strong second favourite.
     
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    This has to be a troll thread, or else Clarky style anti-jinking has become the norm around here.
     
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    60-70 million unofficially 80-90 million in the UK and there's one world class Male tennis player. It's a shame that Golding, Ward or Evans don't step up to the plate.
     
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    He is not winning it, that's for sure. Too much pushing.
     
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    Easy because when you know you're down and out, you have no expectations.
     
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    This is just sport, how is that any different from ANYthing else?

    I support Newcastle united and believe me, they are a lot worse for the stress levels than Murray. Tennis is a sport that shocks happen but Murray has been pretty damn consistant in slams for the last like 2 years. Only the best has beaten him. It could be alot worse, imagine being a Federer fan this year...
     
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    Come on, be fair. It's the exception for Murray too. If it were the rule, Murray would be losing more matches than he wins. You know that's not the case, anymore than it is for Djokovic.

    Now where would be the fun in that? Try being a Fed fan these days or a Rafa fan at Wimbledon these last 2 years. Even Djokovic fans have to keep their fingers crossed nowadays when their man is in action!

    We British sports fans were born to suffer. It's the Agony and the Ecstacy. And it's the Ecstacy moments that make the Agony all worthwhile! :)
     
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    It all a ploy....to catch Novak off guard!
     
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    Try being a Nadal fan, especially over the last few years. He may have won more, but being a fan of him is just as much of an emotional roller coaster as it is being a fan of Andy. At least your guy can get out of his first round match at Wimby, and can stay relatively healthy. You've got it made in those regards.
     
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    Lol! As a Nadal fan that roots for him, your comments are absurd, and insulting. Rafa has won 6 M1000 and 3 GS since 2011, while Murray doesn't have that record. Nor does he beat Nadal since 2012.

    Considering you haven't favored Rafa to win any tournament since showing up, it's kinda difficult to see where you're coming from. Only Novak has won more M1000 or GS than Rafa since 2011. And if you were to start from 2012, Rafa has the most M1000.

    It's shocking to see such a disingenuous post.

    Edited to add.... I thought Murray would win going in and still do.
     
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    Verdasco is the penultimate litmus test.

    He gets by the spaniard, it's a home run from there.
     
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    It's not disingenuous. And since you seem have a burr in your *** when it comes to me, just put me on ignore because quite frankly, I'm tired of your crap.
     
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    Quit being a bully, and trying to tell me who to post to.

    I call out belong when I see it, and as a Nadal fan I feel I should support him by calling out crap.

    Besides, this post is about Murray, and the disingenuous post you made was just pitiful on multiple levels.

    Go Murray! Here's to hoping Murray, as a Scot brings Wimbledon home to England. Who knows, maybe a new boy would be named Andrew! JK!
     
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    I'm not bullying you; I am telling you to buzz off because you can't seem to take a hint.

    Oh, and you root so hard for Nadal that you said his career is over, and are planning for his retirement. You are such a hypocrite that it's not even funny.
     
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    Murray straight setted a guy who has been playing some excellent tennis on the grass this past month. It was a good win.
     
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    I agree. I really hope Andy can win the title. If not him then I hope Delpo does.
     
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    I agree. Djokovic will win a slightly higher % of rallies - and Murray's 73mph 2nd serve will get worked over - or he'll double fault trying to overhit it. Djokovic in 4.
     
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    I think Murray will be more aggressive than Novak, and plays better on grass. Lendl has worked to make Murray more aggressive, and I think it will pay off this year!
     
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    Murray's got a chance. It's all about executing at the absolutely most critical times in the match. He did it against Nole in the first set TB at the USO. He didn't do it against Roger in the 3rd set of last year's Wimbledon. Fed stepped up and was better. Predicting the winner of a Murray/Nole final is a fool's errand. It will likely come down to 4-5 points, if that final comes to pass.
     
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    I agree that a Murray v. Djokovic would be very competitive. I do think Murray could prevail. I hope that he builds off of his experiences on Centre Court in 2012. He looks to be playing better than ever this year at Wimbledon. He's going to be tested mightily but he may very well prevail, especially because he'll have great crowd support. He's serving and hitting well. He looks calm, very consistent, and also capable of hitting lots of winners. His second serve has looked really good.
     
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    I'm not sure it will be that close, but you could be right. I think it will be small margins, no matter who's in the final.
     
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    I'm not sure it will be that close, but you could be right. I think it will be small margins, no matter who's in the final. I'm taking Murray in the final.
     
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    Djokovic is the player I usually root for, but I'm really pulling for Murray this year, and my gut just tells me it's happening. I suppose it's easier for me since in the event of a Djokovic-Murray final I'll be happy regardless of the outcome, but I really think he has it this year.
     
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    Of course. Djokovic is the favorite. Murray is way overhyped.
     
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    It takes 7 matches to win a major, it's rare for it to be smooth sailing for 2 weeks.

    I was glad to see him trying to get himself going and coming through tricky situations during the match, it's all been so easy for him so far. In an ideal world he'd win 21 sets in a row, but it's unlikely. Hopefully he's got it out of his system and can push on.
     
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    The downside of being a non-deluded fan is that you seem to find flaws in their entire game. Fed/Rafa/Djoker may seem perfect from the outside, but I bet that their semi-rational fans find loads of faults in them as well.
     
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    Are you forgetting, Djokovic is still in the fray.
     
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    It could be a tactic. Who knows what Lendl has in mind but his play yesterday did not come up to the usual standard and Djoko looked very strong still. After imagining the impossible I have a ticket for the final through the ballot and to my horror there is no Rafa or Federer so Murray had better do something to make this Wimbledon great. Of all the years to get a ticket for the final it has to be this one. However being a Brit I will support Murray and I hope he is there but it is still a long way to go
     
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    OP, didn't you say that Wimby is a two horse race b/w Fed-Djoker because you thought Murray was playing poorly (even as Fed was losing against Stak) ? Murray had his spot in the final gift wrapped and delivered by all other top seeds in his draw, so can you relax and wait for the final ?

    If Djoker makes it to the final, it is 60-40 in Djoker's favor as I see it, but he could be tired since he has more challenges to go through before making the final. If it is anyone else in the final, there is nothing that can stop Murray from taking his first Wimby title.
     
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    Haas >>>>> past his prime Youzhny on grass though. Djokovic played well today, he had many more winners and fewer errors than the talented German all match long. Was not impressed with Murray's play together against a weak has been opponent, and he will need to improve alot.
     
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    OP - You're being a little hard on him. Murray is doing fine. He has a great draw to get into the final, and when you're in the final anything can happen. He is certainly the top grass player in the draw currently, even with Djokovic being the Wimbledon Champion of two years ago. Stay strong by his side, he can go all the way.
     
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    He's feeling the old pressure that Henman felt I guess. This place is probably more dificult than any other for him to play at. Look at his career so far, he's played his best tennis at the USO and AO, as far as possible from home. I could be totally wrong of course, but it seems that way to me.
     
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    No I don't recall saying that?
    I've said from the start Djokovic is the favourite.

    The way Murray played yesterday stank of injury to be honest so maybe I am being too hard but I'm sure his mind still inextricably wavers when he gets a lead and dominating.

    Here's an interesting article which I find quite worrying and might explain a few things:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...living-on-the-edge-of-injury-and-illness.html

    quote - "Against Andreas Seppi on Tuesday, for example, he was in complete control until he tweaked his right hip early in the second set.

    For a worrying 15-minute spell, he was moving in slow motion, until — to use his own description — the area “opened up again
    ”. "
     
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    LOL! You're joking, right?
     
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