Don't count on Murray winning Wimbledon.

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    Emotional roller coaster? As far as I know you fans had 8 months of calm and peace from fishing and poker. :lol:
     
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    How does the ballot work? Is it like a lottery? Does it cost money just to have an entry?
     
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    Don't worry, I'm convinced I've jinxed it this year, and he's going to win.
     
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    You can download a form from the wimbledon website. Forms must be with the aeltc by December for the following year. I think 1 application per postal address is allowed. It costs nothing apart from the price of an envelope and stamp. You will be contacted if you have been successful.
     
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    63 million. No idea where you're getting 90 million from; that's ten million more than Germany. Or do you have thirty million illegal immigrants hiding in your spare bedroom? ;)


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    Thanks...is it British addresses only or open to anyone?
     
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  9. Peters

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    I have to say, Fedex's constant pessimism about Andy Murray's performances so far has been rather odd. He played really well in some matches, hitting winners all over the place, yet Fedex claimed he was playing awfully.

    It's like you're projecting your own pre-determined thoughts on things and convincing yourself he's playing badly. Try and take a more neutral, objective view of his play in his next match - you might start to see why he hasn't lost a set yet.... the stuff you were saying about his performance against Lu was downright bizarre.

    And like others are saying, he can't play like a beast in *every* match throughout the tournament. It's extremely rare for a GS winner to play at incredible optimum level in every single round preceding the final.
     
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    Well you send for a form to Wimbledon from August and have to fill it in and send it in by the end of December. Then you wait until Fed/March to hear if you have been successful in the ballot. The prices are on a sliding scale. In this instance it is £260 for two centre court tickets. I am going with a relation who is the ticket winner so we share the cost. However you can buy what they call debenture tickets from rich people who have paid a vast amount to get a place for life I think and they are also given tickets they can sell to the public but they are the only people who are allowed to sell the tickets other than Wimbledon. Here is the problem. Debenture ticket for the finals would cost £3000 so if you can get tickets in the ballot you are very lucky. Be warned however if you obtain a ticket like we did and try and sell it for a profit you will be fined heavily
     
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    Oh sorry I forgot you can obtain Wimbledon tickets through ticketmaster but I have tried every year and it was nearly impossible to get them as they go in seconds
     
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    Youzhny has been playing much better recently. Don't forget he reached the final of Halle and took a set off Federer who beat Haas in the semis. He is a good grasscourt player!
     
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    Open to anyone - but you need to send an international reply coupon instead of a UK stamp. I was wrong about downloading the form - you have to write to them from August and have the application form in by December.

    All details here mate:

    http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/tickets/201205091336562669724.html
     
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  14. Fiji

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    I can only imagine the huge pressure for the homeboy in the final. SCARY.
     
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    More or less pressure than winning Olympic gold?
     
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    Far more, the Olympics in tennis are nice but are far from the pinnacle the Brits would give anything to have a home slam champion.
     
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    What you seem to hate, is actually what I love about him. I started following tennis seriously in 2004 and it would have been so easy for me to just become a Federer fan - I liked his style of play, I actually thought he was pretty okay as a person as well, but I didn't because I don't actually like smooth-sailing, it bores me. It would've felt like I cheated. I like that Murray has lapses of concentration, throws tantrums on occasion, expects himself to win every point, despite that being totally unreasonable and so on. It makes him relatable to me, because I'm hard on myself as well, no matter what I'm doing. It also makes him human. Having to wait for all those years for him to win his first major made it so much more special as well. I'm pretty sure I'm happier with that one slam than a lot of Federer fans are with 17, because it felt like I 'earned' it with him, although I didn't really do anything, other than sit on my couch.

    Look at it this way, we will never get bored, because we never know what to expect. Maybe he would have won more if he had a different mentality, yes, but maybe we wouldn't appreciate his success in the same way if he did.

    As for this Wimbledon, despite not playing his best at all times, he is in another QF and yet to drop a set. I'm really not sure what you are complaining about. Maybe he is going to lose tomorrow, who knows, but he might also be saving his best for when it really matters. You don't win a major by playing your best in the first four rounds and if years of watching Murray have taught you anything, you know that just because he plays poorly one day doesn't mean he might not play brilliantly the next. What's the point of being so bloody negative when there is enough time for that after he loses, if he loses? Try to enjoy it as long as it lasts. Pessimists always say, they don't want to get their hopes up, because they are afraid of disappointment, but what you don't realise is that you are actually miserable for a lot longer than everyone else by not enjoying the journey and constantly worrying about the end result.

    There is always next year or the year after that and even if he doesn't do it, he will always have the US Open, no matter how hard some people are trying to diminish it.
     
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    Are you kidding me? In Olympic final, be faced a mug. This time he'll be facing a champion (probably), so he'll be under HUGE pressure.
     
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    This is what I like about Murray as well.. it's one of the only things I like about him. I only really became a fan of Federer in I think.. about 2007, I don't know, it was a gradual process. But I know that I kept finding it annoying that he ALWAYS lost to Nadal at RG and at first I was just rooting for him to win that one RG because he so deserved it imo and it would be such a shame if that part was missing from his legacy. And somehow I turned into a full time fan from there. I was very happy when he won that RG and also very happy when he won #17 because I really didn't think he could win one more.

    Anyway, about Murray. He is "human" in the way that he gets angry at himself but on the other hand he's not because he never shows another emotion than being annoyed at himself. I was so let down at the US Open because the guy barely smiled there. He should've gone absolutely crazy there and the only thing he said to describe his feeling at the press conference is "a weight being lifted from my shoulders". What? As if winning a slam is normal, as if it's something like losing your virginity at a late age.
     
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    You want to see Murray leaping round a tennis court with a massive smile on his face?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVVWa9GFM3I
     
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    Murray's definitely not right.
    I'm not being a pessimist just a realist.
    I've seen the patterns so many times before.
    He might scrape into the final but won't have enough left for Djokovic.

    Physically speaking, this is not the Murray of Olympics and USO.

    I thought the break from RG might do the trick.
    Maybe playing Queens was a mistake but then he'd lack match practice.

    Mark my words. Come Sunday if he meets Djokovic you'll see a brave performance but similar patterns to AO'13 sorry to say guys.

    Hawkeye I agree with your just enjoy the fun while it lasts attitude so I'll post no more on this.
     
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    He looked really sub-par against the Colonel. Not a good omen.

    I concur.
     
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    Well, I think you are being extremely negative.

    He didn't exactly look like a world-beater during all of his matches at the US Open either.

    We should make a bet. If he wins you should eat your words. ;)
     
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    sorry mate ;-)
     
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    Unless this is a troll post, you are from the same mold as Clarky and completely delusional. There is nothing in Murray's play so far that could possibly justify the way you are speaking, he looks very impressive to any neutral observer. And his drop in performance at AO13 was due to blisters, a fluke problem that isn't indicative of any conditioning deficiency.
     
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    It's not a troll post, and it's very harsh to compare him to Clarky. Fedex is Scottish. Moreover, he lives in Dundee (twinned with Kabul), and just to make his life complete - he's an Andy Murray fan.

    And you ask why he's pessimistic? :)
     
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    Is this thread a joke??

    Murray has looked the best out of all the competitors thus far, and he's still working through the gears. I just find it funny how he can get to the last 8 without dropping a set and now there are people saying he has less of a chance to win this year than last year.
     
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    For someone such as Murray that's played on the big stage so many times, he's already over the hurdle of winning his first grand slam title. The second one isn't going to be anywhere near as difficult and he's playing some impressive tennis. If it's a Djokovic - Murray final, I fully expect Murray to win his first Wimbledon title come Sunday!
     
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    It's insane to say there is ANYTHING to be pessimistic about regarding Murray's play so far. Djokovic has been very impressive so far, but his opponents weren't playing particularly great (Haas in particular was pretty awful) while Youzhny was inspired against Murray in the first two sets of the last match. He hasn't dropped a set yet. I could understand being pessimistic in the beginning of the tournament given the draw, but after Federer, Nadal, AND Tsonga went out and with Murray playing in very good form one would think there would be reason for optimism. He may lose to Djokovic, but that will only be if Djokovic plays inspired tennis and not because of any recurring "bad form" (that is apparent thus far, at least) or phantom injury.
     
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  30. batz

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    I tend to agree with your analysis but have quite a bit of sympathy for Fedex's position, given the 5 slam finals we've watched him lose. Also, we Scots all share gene called GIRUY1314, AKA the 'Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory' gene.
     
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    Both Djoko and Murray have looked the best so far and Djoko is a tiny bit more likely to have trouble vs Berd or Delpo than Murray vs Dasco or Janow, so Murray's chances look excellent to me. If the final is Djoko/Murray, of course, anything can happen but that's the whole fun. A good final is never supposed to be easily predictable.
     
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    Which was the 6th slam final he lost? I must have missed it.

     
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    Just edited that but you beat me to it. :)
     
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    Thank you. It was obvious you had made a mistake but we Murray fans just don't want any chilling prophecies ahead of the final, so let's keep it at 5 :)

     
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    It has been a very hard week and a half so far for some of his supporters even though his results have looked comfortable to the neutrals - I have semi-final tickets for Friday and desperately want to see him win!
     
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    Easy there, Clarky. Murray's played one bad set all tournament, and he still won it. Federer and Nadal have had many rough roads (in terms of form) to grand slam victories. In fact, Murray did not play well for much of the USO. He is playing much better here at Wimbledon.

    As for the comparison to the Djokovic/Haas match, Youzhny was playing better than Haas at any point, and didn't go awry for an entire set like Haas did. Murray is a very close second favourite, with players like Del Potro and Berdych a distant third.
     
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    It's sad day when my fellow Murray fans start trolling just for the sake it may help him win Wimbledon. :(

    ANDY MURRAY IS WINNING WIMBLEDON 2013! :D
     
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    TheF1Bob's recent trademark smiley ':D' out of respect for his predictions. :D
     
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    Oh I thought he lost 4. Just checked it and it is indeed 5. 1-5 is not a good win loss ratio in slam finals. But hey, not many can say they've won a slam and I think he can get 5 or more in his career.
     
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    http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/18561...to-play-through-pain-barrier-to-win-wimbledon

    "the US Open champion, who had problems with his left side and leg, needed extra treatment on his aching body on Monday night as he beat Mikhail Youzhny to reach the Championships' quarter-finals for the sixth year running without dropping a set."

    http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/tennis/wimbledon/news/murray-plays-down-injury-concerns_91569.html

    Quote from Murray - "There's a few times on the court where you feel things. You just have to find a way of managing those issues and getting through them because a lot of guys have had problems during this slam..."

    If he's having these niggles on top of the back issue the question has to be asked, yet again, why does Murray run from one side of the court to the other for impossible gets crashing into umpires stands, chairs, crowd barriers, linesmen, corner exit doors like a mad road runner when he knows he's cruising the match anyway then aggravates eg a hip muscle, goes into decline lets the opponent back into the match has to aggravate the self inflicted niggles further, leading to gradual tournament decline?!!

    This is obvious for all to see then he says he has to find a way of managing the niggles!!

    Nuff said.
     
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    Agree with this. For me Murray would be the slight favourite if they meet in the final. I know Novak has won Wimbledon but other than that I don't think he has been all that impressive on grass. Federer beat him last year and I think Murray would also have beaten him. And then of course he beat him at the Olympics.
     
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    Murray could however have a tough semi on his hands if janowicz comes through. His serving has looked almost unplayable.
     
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    sigh, sunday can't come fast enough.
     
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    I'm slightly worried now that David Cameron gave him the kiss of death.
     
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    There's something to be said for not sending negative vibes towards your favourite players, especially when they've not lost a set in the whole tournament.
     
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    Murray looks so vulnerable. Murray is not winning Wimbledon. He should have lost to Verdasco.
     
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    I'm a fan of Murray's but not a blind follower and will call it like it is.

    And I thought we were out of the 14th century but if you want to indulge in superstition then so be it.

    Unfortunately my predictions are true and it's got sod all to do with superstition.
     
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    Amazing grit and guts from Murray playing through injury and winning in 5.

    I predict he doesn't play on Friday. Or retires.
     
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    No don't say that. I hope he wins the whole tournament and your squashing my hopes, dude. :(
     

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