Don't diss Andy

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  1. Rickson

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    So many of you have said that Andy is all serve, but he gave Roger the toughest match he's had in 2 years at Wimbledon.
     
  2. Eug

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    Kinda, Roger was a bit nervous and flustered (spelling?). Andy caused that because of his serve. Nothing else. Go Roger!

    A fellow Andy RodDICK hater,

    Eug
     
  3. chad shaver

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    Guess we get to see who the real "*****" are now, don't we?
     
  4. AceRbn15

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    Agree definitly but . . .

    You are definitly right, no one should diss Andy after a well fought match; however, most of the posters here are stuck up snobs who do not appreciate the heart and determination of Andy Roddick. Regardless of how he played, (with his wonderful bashing hit the ball as hard as you can power game and even with all his improvements like with his bh and second serve) they will say "oh well the fedex only played at 75%" or something like one of the ridicoulous excuses there were talkin about earlier. I respect Federer and hes a great player, but do not bash A-Rod, or even have the nerve to say Federer wasn't playing his best. And let it be known, Federer was broken, and lost a set . . . it wasn't the quick 1-2-3 set punch every Federer worshipper thought it was going to be. If Federer is the tennis god so many say, let's see him beat Andy . . . at the U.S. Open Finals, where A-Rod has a title to defend.
     
  5. VamosRafa

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    Rickson, don't waste your breath. The folks who didn't watch the match, or saw only what they wanted to see, are going to continue to diss him.

    So what!

    But this match demonstrated, at least to me, that the gap between No. 1 and No. 2 is shrinking. Which is great for the game.
     
  6. AceRbn15

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    First of all, way to be mature with the whole over used "RodDICK" term. Way to be. Secondly, just because Andy's serve? Did you watch the match? Andy broke Federer numerous times.
    Just don't bash anymore, it's old, you're wrong when you do it. Stop, bt a ltitle bit mature.
     
  7. Rickson

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    I thought Federer would have an easier time too, but Andy showed a hustling game we haven't seen from him before. Roger played all out, I have no doubt about that, but Andy's hustle gave me a new found respect for him.
     
  8. Ariel

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    In all truth, I was really surprised for Andy's composed game, his strategy and how well he kept Roger on his heels for the first set. And then his comeback on the second WAS remarkable. After that was business as usual for Roger, without a doubt benefited for the second rain delay, but he hold his ground and managed Andy's power much better. Hats off to both players.
     
  9. mlee2

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    This was an awesome match on both sides of the net.

    Only complete, biased, idiots would continue to discredit Roddick at this point. i.e "all serve/lucky/all physicality"
     
  10. James Brown

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    lets be honest, roger came out really flat and remained that way. Roddick flubbed it at the end. But he was very gracious in defeat, very respectful and he gave a good effort. so hes ok in my books.
     
  11. Rickson

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    Andy still has a lot of braun in him though. We saw it when he went for big forehands he netted, but once he controls those power shots, he'll be one crafty player, something noone gives him credit for now.
     
  12. VamosRafa

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    I agree, Rickson. He demonstrated he's very much still a work-in-progress. He's only 21; he's got quite a bit of time to improve.
     
  13. Morpheus

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    I thought it was a very entertaining match. I usually don't like watching Andy because no one can return his serve and it seems one dimensional. Roger makes Andy's game more fun to watch.

    It was interesting how disheveled, sweaty and tired Andy looked compared to Roger. Doesn't FedEx sweat?
     
  14. SonicSpeed

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    I don't see how after this match anyone can still say "Andy Roddick sucks!". Unless they're biased idiots of course....
     
  15. fjgarciap

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    AceRbn15, Andy did start the match imposing himself and overpowering Roger, this is true, but it is also true that Roger did not start the match playing at his real level, we can not pretend to be blind on that. It was evident that the rain delay helped Roger regroup and refocus on his game.

    Here I agree with you, Andy is developing his game and evolving as a player year after year, to build the strokes you don't get for free from talent demands dedication and lots of work.
     
  16. VamosRafa

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    I agree. Just think back to the recent "Andy is a horrible player" thread.

    The whole ATP should be such "horrible players." :lol:
     
  17. AAAA

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    Exactly. I must admit, Roddick was hitting the BH slice really well and hit volley winners I didn't expect him to hit. For the first set and a bit Roddick was able to rip his serves and forehands at maximum power. When he was doing that the power was too much for Federer to handle. The rest of Roddick's game was also very solid. However ripping every shot at maximum power in order to keep your opponent down is tough to do over a 5 set match. When Roddick started to run out of energy Federer started to get chances. Even in the 4th set Roddick looked to be the the fitter player. If it went to a 5th set I think Roddick would have won.
     
  18. AndyC

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    Never did diss Roddick. He came out playing very sharp today in the first set but let's be honest.. Fed's game was below his usual standards.. his forehand was misfiring in the first set and his footwork was pretty sloppy at times. He did pick up a little as the match wore on what was noticeable was that Roddick's level dropped.. nothing to be ashamed of there.

    However Fed not playing quite at his best was probably more than Roddick playing close to his best could handle. The difference was a few points but overall especially in the fourth set, it was was noticeable that Roddick's shots were just that little bit too short. Full credit to Roddick.. he's the only one in the last two weeks that came close to Fed. What I raelly want to see one day soon is both of them playing out of their skin. That would truly be a match.. n Fed would win I think :).
     
  19. AAAA

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    Andy, Your words are wasted. Those people who didn't see Federer against Hewitt and Grosjean like to think Federer was close to being his best in the final. As I wrote elsewhere Federer was 'off' by about 20%. For quite awhile I thought Roddick would win.
     
  20. VamosRafa

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    I don't think the words are wasted. Neither Hewitt nor Grosjean is as good as Andy on grass right now. Andy beat them both, quite easily at Queen's. And would have defeated them here, imo. Maybe not as easily as Roger did, but maybe so. Both Andy and Roger showed they are a cut above the rest of the crowd on grass -- which hopefully will put an end to the "Andy got the easier draw" discussion. (BTW, I did see the Fed/Seb match, and a lot of Fed/Hewitt -- neither of them played even close to Andy's level.)

    It's easy to play your best tennis when you aren't being overly challenged by the guy across the net. It's another to play your A game when the other guy is throwing you off, which is what happened here.

    We saw glimpses of Roger's brilliance, that's for sure. But we saw glimpses of that from Roddick as well.

    Again, it was a great match!
     
  21. alienhamster

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    Andy deserves *a lot* of credit for making Federer be off his game. Hewitt shook Fed a bit but Roddick had him off rhythm the whole match. It's too simplistic an analysis to say something like, "Well, Andy did well only because Fed wasn't playing his best." The better analysis is that Roddick did well because he made Federer play worse.

    I've never seen Andy return that well before. I'm with Susan completely: Roddick is becoming a better and better player, and he's not that far behind Federer at all.
     
  22. larrhall

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    Roddick is faster, fitter, has the slice backhand, volleys better and also returns and retrieves better than he used to do. Federer's magic really comes through on grass. If Roddick keeps expanding his game and his fitness, he should be about even with Roger on hard courts, though not on clay or grass. Andy had the misfortune to come into his prime at the same time as Roger. The lucky part for Roddick is that he will have Fed as target and motivation for a long time. So they are both fortunate.
     
  23. Aoya

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    Oh the Chronicles of Roddick. (excuse the lame allusion)

    That second set really clinched my respect for him. 4-0, Fed's lead, and Andy shows Fed a gun or something, and brings the score to 5-5, by a BARELY missed running forehand.
     
  24. Kobble

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    After seeing that I am having a hard time believing anyone has the right combination to beat Federer for the rest of the year. It is almost a fluke to beat him. Hewitt doesn't have the power, Roddick doesn't have the consistency, Agassi doesn't have the motivation or the serve, and Safin doesn't have the brain. This is like the openening of Pandora's box, and if you remember the tale, the only thing left in the box was hope.
     
  25. bb47

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    Roddick played a damn risky tennis, instead of going forward and kill those floating Fed's returns, and there were a lot. But he preferred to stay back and get involved in rallies - actually I was impressed, he was great, but still one can not stand up to Fed in this dept. on grass. I hope Roddick will some day beat Fed on grass, but to do so he must learn how to go forward and volley off his great serve IMHO. His serve is good enough against 90% of players - so why bother running to the net, but he must back his serve with similarly great volleyng to beat Federer.
     
  26. Morpheus

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    I think maybe hope got out as well.
     
  27. Metzler

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    To amuse himself Federer beat Roddick at Roddick's own game, overpowering him. Had he played his own game, it would have been easer but less fun for Fedex.
    The Roddick- lovers now have to wait for September to enjoy themselves by going to rush week to cheer on fraternity halfwits as they chug Bud and vomit on themselves.
     
  28. AAAA

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    I respectfully disagree with the reasoning. I agree that Hewitt's and Grosjean's play didn't match Roddick's but that isn't the point.

    The point is it's tougher to beat Hewitt and Grosjean than Schalken and Ancic. So it's reasonable to say Federer expended more mental energy in his QF and SF than Roddick because Federer's opponents were tougher and better. Hence the reason why Federer was listless at the beginning and throughout much of the match.
     
  29. AndyC

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    Glimpses?? If Roddick could play better than he did in the first set then I haven't seen it. I accept that Roddick may have put Fed of his game. In either case whether Fed was just off his game or put off his game, Roddick failed to capitalise. The thing with both of them off their game in the second/third sets then Roddick just wasn't going to win. Even with Roddick playing out of his skin in the first set Fed was just about coping with a sub par game.. and this illustrates the difference between them now. For myself I think the pressure of defending was really on Fed in the final.. I can't remember seeing him smile once till he won the match.. contrast this to his previous rounds. He knew what he was up against.. and I think he was tight from it. And Roddick did play well.
     
  30. chad shaver

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    You are a most....interesting(?) person.
     
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    He is pretty funny though with the fraternity line...
     
  32. The Franchise

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    Metzler sounds like he doesn't get much poon-tang.
     

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