Doubles Frame: Any Solid Ones under 11 Ounces?

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  1. TripleB

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    Ordering a few demos (once they all arrive at TW...maybe February?) to see if I can find anything a little more powerful, a little more arm friendly, and a little more maneuverable than my Triple Threat Warrior Midplus racquets.

    The demos I know I want to try are the Prince Classic Graphite 100 (11.7 oz), the Wilson Six. One 95S (11.5 oz), and the Head Graphine Radical Pro (11.5 oz). Since all three are heavier than my Warrior (11.3 oz) I was thinking of throwing a 4th demo in there a few tenths of an ounce lighter than my Warrior to see if a lighter racquet might be the way to go just for the extra maneuverability at net.

    I only play doubles now so I'm looking for a racquet that has fantastic serving potential (hard/flat as well has heavy kicker), is lightning fast at net, allows for excellent returns, reasonably stable feel (don't expect a whole lot of this going less than 11 ounces), and great access to spin.

    Can anyone recommend a racquet or two that fit the characteristics above?

    One that seems it might 'fit the bill' is the Wilson Six.One 95L at 10.7 ounces...previous version got a pretty good review and this one has almost identical specs.

    Thanks for any input.

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  2. A_Instead

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    Volkl Organix 7 295.
    TW Chris's review is spot on...
     
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  3. teekaywhy

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    Try the Yonex sticks. I recently tried the Yonex vcore Tour 97 in 330g form, and switched to it for strictly doubles. SPIN MONSTER.
    If you want the lighter version, try the 310g iteration.
     
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  4. KYHacker

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    Wilson 6.1. Team. Fantastic for doubles. Lots of pop on serves. Stable on volleys. Super fast. Good control. I string mine at 50 with poly. Pretty arm friendly.
     
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  5. TripleB

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    Ouch...a 74 stiffness rating...how tough is it on the arm?

    I had a chance to demo the 310g version and here were my thoughts:

    Overall this is probably my favorite racquet of the group so far; very solid feel; amazing slice and excellent topspin; very good maneuverability with the 8 point (after rubberband and one overgrip) headlight balance; really has a whippy feel and doesn't play like it's 337 grams (again after 1 rubberband and overgrip); it felt very low powered (poly string medium tension) and I found myself having to take the ball on the rise a little more in order to gain some extra pop; control seemed above average; touch is good but the feel is somewhat 'muted'; as some have mentioned elsewhere, the butt of the racquet is a bit awkward…isn't really large enough to give my western forehand grip a lot of security - think this took away from my ability to rip the crosscourt forehand; but again, better than the others but so far with this group that isn't say a great deal

    After 4 days I said I knew I couldn't use this racquet because of a lack of power, feel too dampened, and a small buttcap.

    I have this one on my radar too - the specs of it are almost identical to those of the newer Six.One 95L; newer version is a little thinner and a little stiffer. Have you tried the new one to see if there is a $30 difference in the playability of the two?

    Thanks for everyone's input so far.

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    My dad loves the blade 104 for volleying and says it works great for doubles.
     
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  7. RollTrackTake

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    The Six One Team 16x18 is the most solid feeling sub 11oz racquet I've ever hit. Felt more solid to me than many racquets 1/2 oz heavier. As solid as it feels stock, it wavered when big hitters hit scorchers to the corners and I got stretched out. Ball don't lie.
     
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    The ever futile search for the doubles holy grail....
    It's not strength of shot that wins in doubles, or singles. It's strength plus placement plus replicability plus ease of shot.
    That said, I like my Aero500's weighted to 11 oz and 320 SW's, with a 68 flex rating for good doubles when I feel the need for 5% more pace.
    My normal racket, singles or doubles, is 4DAero300's. Same weight, same SW, but 60 flex rating.
     
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  9. teekaywhy

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    Volkl O 10, both the 325 and the lighter one.
     
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  10. jayserinos99

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    I'm looking at the Premier 105 at the moment. Being not so mobile and needing a bit of help myself, I've been looking at slightly more powerful frames to help with the putaway volleys and to revert to more of a slice and dice, big serving frame.
     
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  11. TripleB

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    Yea, that last part...I'm looking for something to make my shots easy to hit. :)

    I have the 4D Aero 300 and tried it a good while the other day and it seems way too low powered (strung at 48/51 with poly/syn), even compared to my TT Warrior Midplus.

    Buddy of mine plays with the 500s, maybe I can steal one of his.

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  12. 2ndServe

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    what level do you play at? At the higher level or if you want to move up you'll need a heavier stick. When I got back into tennis after a long hiatus, all the rackets ~12oz felt too cumbersome at the net. I switched to lighter rackets, they made getting the racket on the ball easier but the effectiveness of those volleys was greatly diminished, low volleys had too much air under them, not enough control and side/under spin. The putaways did not have enough penetration, giving the other team a 2nd chance (the ultimate doubles sin). It also is too tough to return high level serves with a light racket and trying to get it past an aggressive net partner.

    Playing against the better 4.5 or 5.0 league teams I've come to realize you need as much mass as you can possibly put on the racket. Yes it'll take time to get used to but like lifting weights if you keep adding lead tape to it gradually you don't even notice the weight. I'm using about 12.75oz on a 28 inch racket. 2.5 years a go 11.75oz at 27 inch felt very heavy. Now 12.75oz at 28in feels like a feather. And against the better 5.0 league teams I'm leaning towards the need for more weight.
     
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  13. robbo1970

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    Bio300 with a leather grip.

    Although a heavier static weight racket thats very headlight could work.
     
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  14. TripleB

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    Before surgery I was around a 4.5 singles player, after surgery I'm now a 4.0 doubles player. I typically play with/against 4.0 players but next Spring I'll be playing against/with both 4.0 and 4.5 players and possibly one or two 5.0 players.

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  15. LeeD

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    While more weight and more SW is not to be argued, it's only effective if the player can swing it fast for all 3 sets played, and a bit longer for practice.
    I think OP is 5.0, maybe now 4.5 with the injury and layoff.
    I doubt more than a handful of 5.0's can hit with the pace of ATP pros, so we don't need ATP pro level weighted rackets.
     
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  16. Cobra Tennis

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    Tt Warrior!
     
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  17. TripleB

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    Sorry, that's what I'm moving away from due to reasons above.

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  18. LeeD

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    Since you HAVE a 4DAero300, string it at 45 lbs.
    You will be amazed at the feel, the dwell time, the easy power, and the control/comfort you can get with that old stick.
     
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  19. NFuego17

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    Babolat Pure Storm GT. It's exactly 11 oz, but the amount of spin you get with a hybrid in that thing and stability from such a light racquet blew my mind. I thought I would use it as a strictly singles racquet, but it worked well in doubles, too. Especially on the return, where the 325 SW let me take big cuts at them or just block them back.

    Another racquet whose stats look appealing based on your specifications is the Pacific XForce. I've personally never hit with one, but I I've heard great things about Pacific racquets.

    I just can't get over the fact that you say you want a racquet that's "more maneuverable" than a TT Warrior. Does such a racquet exist?
     
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  20. counterpuncher

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    My recommendation is the QTour 295, but I believe you already hit with this and moved on. So other suggestions I would make are:

    X Feel Tour, Graphene Speed, Yonex 100S, Blade S, 98 Tour ESP and the Formula 100 might be a good option given that you liked one of the PDs.
     
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  21. LeeD

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    But really, string your 4DAero300 at 45 lbs.
    Even at my paltry level, that combo works fine vs real 4.5 doubles players, very easily.
     
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  22. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    NOOOOOO

    The 325 is much heavier than he is asking for and I have no clue why you would suggest it.

    The 295 isn't actually a very good racquet unless you lead it up, which is kind of missing the point of a 'good doubles frame under 11 oz'

    Volkl 7 295 is an excellent racquet, and much easier on teh arm than you might expect.

    here is a wildcard for you, have a hit with a Volkl 4 and prepare to be amazed..
     
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  23. TripleB

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    Thanks for the input. I did try the QTour 295 and liked a lot about the racquet. Ultimately it felt a bit unstable, lacked depth control, and had a somewhat muted feel.

    Also tried the XFeel Tour but felt it didn't have the huge spin I like, lacked some touch at net, and wasn't quite as maneuverable as I was hoping.

    Again, thanks for the options.

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  24. 2ndServe

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    I thought the prince 03 blue was a decent frame for it's lightness. Though it had it's drawbacks against the better players
     
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    Pure Drive Lite. Super easy to play with, and less stiff than the regular PD or PDR.
     
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  26. counterpuncher

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    I just looked at the specs of the Graphene Radical, 8 grams lighter than the Pro and 64RA instead of 68RA. I would grab that as your 4th demo.
     
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  27. Hi I'm Ray

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    Seems like you've tried almost everything out there so I'll give you a different suggestion:

    I usually play with a 100sq in, 27in frame but sometimes I'll use a + length OS frame in doubles & I've been able to win against some opponents using it that I couldn't beat before. I first "discovered" for myself that it can work well in doubles when we were up against opponents that I thought we were going to lose to, so I thought "f' it, I'm just going blast serves at them with this thing" & surprisingly we ended with a clear victory. Also the angry look on the other team's faces when we won was priceless! I can serve harder & hit faster groundstrokes than usual and it has a lot of put away power on volleys. I don't need to have a lot of groundstroke control with it, I just look to apply as much power and pressure as I can off the serve or return and finish the point as quickly as possible at net or off a short ball.

    Check out some + length frames if you haven't already. It took me a few days of practice to really get used to it.
     
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  28. TripleB

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    Think I'm going to try it at 40 pounds mains and 43 pounds crosses with Tour Bite 1.20 and Gosen OG Sheep Micro Super 1.25. Lowest (by 8 pounds) that I've ever strung a racquet!!! Thanks for the advice.

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  29. KYHacker

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    I will give one other recommendation, although i doubt you can demo it. The Prince Rebel 105. Slightly extended length (27.25) and 105 headsize whose shape lets the racquet swing fast like a midplus. It's also a box beam so it has a great flex and great touch. Can't decide if i like it more or less than my 6.1 Team.

    As for 6.1 Team, the one person posting feedback on its replacement, the 95L, seems to think the 95L is a step down in pop. I hit against a former college player this week and the 6.1 Team was plenty solid. I never felt like the frame was getting pushed around, but it doesn't have the sheer stability of my BLX Blade Tour's which NEVER get pushed around.

    As for volleys, I am STUNNED by how great the Team volleys. I had a few rockets hit at me, and the speed of the frame let me get my racket on them at full stretch; stability of the frame let me lay them down for winners. Priceless.
     
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  30. ced

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    I agree with A_Instead the Ox7 295 is an ideal doubles racquet. The only improvement I would make is to replace the grip with leather. Of course, this will raise the weight to a little over 11 oz.
     
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  31. JackB1

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    easy answer....Volkl Organix V1 MP
    add as much lead as u need

    or

    Blade 104 or 98s
     
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  32. JackB1

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    what makes it "not very good"? did u actually try it out for a while?
    I thought it required very fast swingspeed to get some power with that light weight and thin beam.
     
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  33. bigdaddyps

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    Wilson Pro Staff 100L BLX. Great doubles racquet for me. String it
    With Wilson Champions Choice, gut in mains, Alu in crosses. Put a leather
    Grip on it underneath your overgrip.
    Absitively, posilutely scintillating set up. It's so good, it should be illegal !
    Seriously, baby!
     
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  34. kingcheetah

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    I'd go Blade 104 as well. This frame plays pretty well stock, I have added lead to mine just for some stability but I won a d3 college practice match with it in stock form, this in my first time ever using it (previously I had used a six one 90.) It's a flexible frame, good spin potential and very easy to use. I'm surprised more "players" haven't given this one a chance, maybe they don't like the idea of using the "serena" racquet and want to use a racquet associated with the mens tour (not a hypothesis, I'm just throwing up thoughts.) Anyway, I'd recommend that as a good doubles racquet for anyone, but especially you since it is really easy on the arm and forgiving, just in case you're still getting your timing back from your injury layoff.
     
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  35. fuzz nation

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    The Prince O3 Hybrid Hornet midplus is so cheap at TW, you could pretty much buy it to try it. I've tried to get along with lighter racquets over the years, but I generally just can't click with them. I did try this frame for maybe a 1/2 hour some winters ago and thought it was a very civilized option for a lighter racquet.
     
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  36. Chico

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    You will get no "stable feel" nor arm friendliness from a light racquet.

    Go for more head light, not for lighter, for better maneuverability, fast at net and more arm friendly. Lighter racquet will not help you.

    There are no solid racquets under 11oz IMO.
     
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  37. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Hi Jack

    It's a bit unstable at its stock weight, possibly because of the thin beam as much as the low mass.

    Sure, you can lead it up, but then it isn't 'under 11oz' any more, is it? The X7 295 is already more stable and doesn't require mods to fulfil the stated role...
     
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  38. A_Instead

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    agreed, the x 7 295 doesn't need anything. Its a decent offer. Very solid for a sub 11 oz frame.
     
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  39. bertrevert

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    Some really good advice in this thread.

    I think you could take just about any light frame and start making it more solid with the addition of lead. And not just up in the hoop. Adding lead at the top of the grip (this advice has been given many times over the years) really adds solidity to your stroke swing, damps it, settles it, and puts some punch into anything you do.

    Why not try, as suggested above, a sub-11oz racquet but an oversize and/or + length one? Could work if you have a fast paced end-it-quick type of game...

    br
     
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  40. Seth

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    I played a team where a couple of the guys used the o3 Blue. It's actually quite nice, though many here may be turned off by the specs.
     
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  41. JackB1

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    Got it. Thanks.

    So you still enjoying the F100?
     
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