Doubles GOAT ?

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  1. TMF

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    This is The Laver Forum. The only place that required modern players to achieved 10X as much as the old school players in order to be mention in the same breath.
     
  2. TMF

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    Why don't you ask BobbyOne. He and Limpin gotten into a fight and Limpin end up getting banned. Limpin is back now but not posting, I believe he's still mad at BobbyOne.
     
  3. TMF

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    Cry us a river all you want, that's not going to take away the Bryan's achievements and their records.

    Bryans win record 13th Slam title
     
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  5. kiki

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    Thanks.Tilden and Vines were exceptional players and should have teamed up more often...
     
  6. kiki

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    I fully agree.let´s say we are not interested in it.Does not invalidate our opinions.the problem is that Forza and other never watched what we did...truth hurts.
     
  7. kiki

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    The old Laver vs Rosewall story...
     
  8. TMF

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    There is no truth but littered with bias(double standard, exaggeration, catch-22, hides the negative fact, and sometime even lies).
     
  9. kiki

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    I live in the present.But I appreciate the good things.Of course, one has that fortune to choose, some just don´t.
     
  10. forzamilan90

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    there's barely any footage whatsoever of it, and a time machine doesn't exist.
     
  11. kiki

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    ...and here is the proof
     
  12. kiki

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    I know and it is not your fault.But you should respect the experienced posters opinions.
     
  13. TMF

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    Glad you're big enough to admit it.
     
  14. kiki

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    Sorry, It is not my fault if Laver leads federer by three slams to nil, even in a very competitive era like Laver´s...
     
  15. TMF

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    1. Federer 17*
    2. Sampras 14
    3. Emerson 12(all amateur)
    4. Borg/Nadal* 11
    5. Laver 11(6 amateur, 5 open era)

    *still active
     
  16. kiki

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    Laver won around 10 or 12 pro slams, thus his account increases.

    Federer was not deprived slam titles like Rod was for 6 years.Pros being banned from amateur slams.
     
  17. TMF

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    Laver only won 8 pro majors, which is equivalent to the modern WTF, but not the modern slams.


    But Laver gets to play the pro majors. If he decided not to turned pro, then he can compete the amateur slams, but not the pro majors. Take your pick. And if he was an amateur, and lets be nice and assumed that he would have won a few amateur slams, he would be another Emerson, which hurts his legacy for not turning pro.
     
  18. Phoenix1983

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    No one has to agree with the "experienced" posters all the time though. Especially since in some cases they are obvious fans of a certain player (BobbyOne = Rosewall, Dan Lobb = Hoad) and they do everything to boost the status of that player. It's no different to what TMF does with Federer.
     
  19. TMF

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    But we do(see below), except posters from planet TT who self-proclaimed they are experts.



    GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

    1 Roger Federer
    2 Rod Laver
    3 Pete Sampras
    4 Rafael Nadal
    5 Bjorn Borg
    6 Don Budge
    7 Andre Agassi
    8 John McEnroe
    9 Jimmy Connors
    10 Bill Tilden
     
  20. TMF

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    kiki = Kodes
    hoodjem = Laver
    Borg number one = Borg(obviously)
     
  21. Phoenix1983

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    TMF: Admit it, you wouldn't agree with the Tennis Channel list if it didn't have Federer @ No 1. :)
     
  22. TMF

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    Yeah, but at least I would never trashed them or insult their knowledge. :)
     
  23. kiki

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    ..and which credit do you personally have to assimilate Pro Slams to WTF of current tennis?

    And 8 pros + 11 ams make 19...
     
  24. kiki

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    Is that the " famous" tennis Channel list?

    journeyman Stece Fink is now the Bible????
     
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    I am very fortunate to have watched top tennis in the 70´s and 80´s ( and some 90´s, too)...so I have the possibility to have MANY favourites.from Hoad to Sampras.I can tell you 15 or 20 names.

    Kodes, it is just that he is so unknown and underrated for a champion of his stature...

    And, yes, when he was able to play some kind of all round tennis, many years ago,I also respected Federer.
     
  26. Mustard

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    Doubles GOAT? John Bromwich has to be up there.
     
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    I forgot about Bromwich but he's up there with anyone.
     
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    Adrian Quist¡¡¡
     
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    I was on vacation many years ago and we met a couple of elderly women who were huge tennis fans. seems they loved Bromwich and Quist. Kept raving about how great they were as doubles players. I think the women were from Australia. Whenever I read about Bromwich or Quist I think about those women.
     
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    dream doubles match:

    Hoad and Rosewall vs Hewitt-Mc Millan
    Bromwich-Quist vs Fleming-Mc Enroe
    Newcombe-Roche vs Sedgman-Mc Gregor
    Brugnon-Cochet vs Woodbridge-Woodforde
    Emerson-Stolle vs Borotra-Lacoste

    Best 10 ever teams
     
  31. BobbyOne

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    kiki, I rank Emerson/Laver a bit higher than Emerson/Stolle.

    Also I would include Borotra/Brugnon instead of another French team.
     
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    Female Doubles GOAT = Navratilova. Period. The end.
    Male = Mac
     
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  33. robow7

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    Talk about a tough audience, Bryan Bros, not even in the top 10?
     
  34. TMF

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    ROFL! He even believe amateur players are better than the modern players.
     
  35. kiki

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    I have already two great frenchies
    Stolle has a better record than Laver
     
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    If Smith and Lutz had won more than USO...
    For potential greatness not accomplished because they split early no doubt Edbwrg and Jarryd were promised GOATNESS
     
  37. kiki

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    Top 15 since weak era
     
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    I many times wrotte and defended Federer
    What a great player who would clean the floor with Tilden and Budge and Laver andGonzalez at once
     
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    The Bryan Brothers is in position to win another Wimbledon.

    They are the double goat, there's nothing more to argue.
     
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    TMF, There is much to argue against your opinion. Bryan/Bryan did not have any strong opponents while Newcombe/Roche and Hoad/Rosewall ( and others) had many strong opponents.
     
  41. TMF

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    I disagree. Even the Blues Brothers can beat them.
     
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    Ahem. The Blues Brothers cannot even sing well.
     
  43. TMF

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    Saying the B Brothers doesn't have strong opponents is worse than saying the Blues Brothers would beat the Rosewall and company. I should have included the Marx Brothers.
     
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    Too funny. Good one!

    You are a natural comedian. :lol:
     
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    Seriously though, the Bryan brothers winning a doubles Grand Slam would go a long way to quieting skeptics about their GOAT status.
     
  46. Dan Lobb

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    Doubles is a different game today, a game for specialists.
    The top singles players give it a pass, and save their energy for the singles titles.

    Put Hoad and Rosewall together (they only played a few seasons together, yet won more important titles than the Bryans), or Newcombe and Roche, and they would wipe the court with the Bryans.
     
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    I do think that if more singles (specialist) players played doubles it would be good for tennis: it would good for the net-play skills of these singles players, and it would create more competition for the other (mainly) doubles teams.
     
  48. TMF

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    It's very hard to have a two career in both single and double in this era. The players will break down if they try because the game is physically brutal. And the worst is they will never achieved as much as they concentrated on either single or double. Had the B Brothers were to committed to play single, they would never have won a record 16 slams double. They chose the RIGHT path.
     
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    "This marks the third Wimbledon title for the Bryans. Having won the U.S. Open, Australian Open, French Open and the Olympic gold medal last summer, the Bryans completed a rare "Golden Slam." Or as some are calling it, a "Golden Bryan Slam." The Bryans are the first doubles team in the Open Era to hold all four majors in their possession. If they win the upcoming US Open later this summer, the Bryans will complete an even rarer calendar Grand Slam."

    “This has been the best period of our career by far,” Bob Bryan said earlier to ESPN. “Doubles takes a long time to figure out and we feel like we got it now. We wanna do this for as long as we're having fun. You'll probably see us out here when we're 50.”

    See more at: http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Bryan...by+6-26&utm_medium=email#sthash.omtsZEeQ.dpuf
     
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    Bryan Bros, period
     

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