Doubles: Serve hit opponent net player

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  1. Peter_Chiu

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    What the correct rule on serving in doubles and hitting the opponent net player? The reason behind this is because I serve wide angled slice serve that spins into the T and the receiver has a lot of trouble taking it. However, their net player decided to stand right in by the net in the middle of the court (a la Australian doubles style). So now he is in the middle of the travel path of the ball when i hit on the T, which means whenever I serve to the T, it'll hit him. We argue about the rule and decided to just keep taking over. Over time I ended up slowly serving wide angled so I don't have to hit him. Anyhow, we still won the match despite losing that option, but I would like know what is the official rule regarding hitting the opposing net player when serving?
     
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  2. hellonewbie

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    It's your point if your serve hits your opponent before the ball is out of play. It's his own choice to stand where he is standing, possibly to intimidate you from hitting down the T.
     
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  3. LeeD

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    To clarify, it's your point if your serve hit him ON A FLY, no matter where he is standing.
    If he stands inside his partner's service court, and your serve hits him on a bounce, it's YOUR point because the wrong receiver touched the ball.
    If he stands outside his partners service court, and your serve hits him on a bounce, it's an OUT serve.
     
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  4. albino smurf

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    I was under the impression that if you hit the net player and they are on their side, that is their point.
     
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  5. raiden031

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    I'm only going to say this once.

    The opposing net player is a complete moron for doing something like that. He loses the point every time.
     
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  6. LeeD

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    AS, no.
    Receieving team netman is supposed to down his coffee already, be fully awake, and fully aware of where he's standing.
    If you can hit him on a fly, it's your point.
     
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  7. larry10s

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    agree 100%
     
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  8. raiden031

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    Then what is to stop the net man from standing right in front of the net in the service box and hold their arms up, creating a human shield?
     
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  9. TheGreatestAudia

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    Obviously, raiden, he meant on "his side" of the service box. Not the one you are serving to.

    As for the question, it is your point if you hit anything on an opponent's person before it bounces or hits the net. He cannot impede in anyway. That's a shady move anyway. Also, when you go to serve, don't even look at the opponents. Everyone knows when everyone is ready. Just rip away.
     
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  10. raiden031

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    Whats to stop the net player from standing on the center T line at the front of the net and lean towards their partner's side holding their arms up?
     
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  11. LeeD

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    Really, don't look at your opponents.
    I always look. I also usually know when they're gonna fake something...just superior smarts:twisted::twisted:
    Like when they stand in 6' inside the baseline, just blast it into their forehand hip.
    Like when they cheat waay over to cover their backhands, just slice into their body.
    Like when they stand waaaay back to try to touch my serve, just slice wide, soft, and slow, and short.
    Like when the returner's partner stands right near the service box...just blast a first hard one high into his chest:shock: My second serve more than covers that first wasted serve, and the shock is worth it always.
    Oh, oh... once a long time ago, playing against ArtLarsen and GeorgePonticoff, the returner LEFT the baseline area I was serving into! Kinda GAME ploy, of course. So you gotta look to see.
     
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  12. LeeD

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    As said, if you can hit them on a fly, it's YOUR point.
    Advantage to the server with a 120 + accurate first serve.
     
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  13. JavierLW

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    I think you meant that if the ball bounces IN THE BOX and it touches either player then they lose the point. Or if it touches the wrong person's racquet.

    It doesnt matter where they are standing as long as the serve was in, if you touch a ball that is in play you lose the point.

    If the serve landed outside of the service box then it's a fault no matter what happens afterwards (the ball is out of play at that point).

    Your post makes it sound like if the ball went in the correct box, and hit a player standing outside of the service court it's a fault. (which is not the correct ruling on that)

    I imagine you didnt mean it that way, but that's what it sounds like.

    Everyone should go to usta.com and print out the rules and bring it with them for cases like this where you encounter opponents who not only dont know the rules but try to make up their own.
     
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  14. LeeD

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    Thanks...
    Serve into box, bounces into wrong returner is YOUR point. Wrong returner is wrong guy.
     
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  15. woodrow1029

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    What do you all think if the serve hits the net, then hits the receiver's partner on the fly.
     
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  16. TheGreatestAudia

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    Honestly, he can do whatever he wants. He will lose the point if he gets hit on the fly.
     
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    Right. You can be about to toss, look up, see where they're at, decide where to go with what serve and serve it!? Doubt it. You would have to stop and adjust. Pick a strategy by seeing where he lines up before you get set THEN don't worry about looking. It throws you off. It's like pitching. I am throwing to a spot that the catcher and I have agreed upon no matter where the hitter is in the box. Only difference, in baseball, you can step off the rubber if you aren't already in your delivery. When serving, you won't be able to get away with this. You'll never get a serve off and the opponent has gotten into your head.
     
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  18. Steady Eddy

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    What? To quote Johnny Mac, "You can't be serious." Below are the very first sentences of The Code. (I hope everyone here has heard of The Code.)

    http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={FB53B0C6-9336-4A60-9E6B-2AEC6C17A5F1}

    The author of the code doesn't even supply the answers to questions. Why? Because, as he says, they are OBVIOUS.

    I'll give the obvious answer though; the person at the net has interferred with the serve, so they lose the point. People play tennis seriously enough to post video of themselves on this forum, and even years later, don't know the basics of the rules?
     
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  19. woodrow1029

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    I am interested to see how many know the answer to this rule question.

    What do you all think if the serve hits the net, then hits the receiver's partner on the fly.
     
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  20. mucat

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    It is a let because hitting your opponent before the bounce meaning the ball is good.
     
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  21. TheGreatestAudia

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    Correct.....
     
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  22. LeeD

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    Not that my brain processes faster than yours, but I already KNOW what to do before the situation occurs, so I can recall the right response before you.
    No, do not continue to plod along no matter what the opposition does. That is just plain dumb. YOU are serving, the point doesn't start until YOU decide to start it.
    And Art and George..... their ploy was to solicit a double fault. So I just threw in a sure second serve or an ace.
    YOU would have hit the same hard first serve, then your normally skectch second serve.
     
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  23. albino smurf

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    I got hit in a tournament standing on the appropriate side at net and we were awarded the point. It might have been a second serve, I honestly was so surprised I had gotten hit standing out towards the alley that I just said whatever and we took the point. Yet another time when in singles this stuff doesn't really come up.
     
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  24. raiden031

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    Thats what I said. Albino Smurf thought he would win the point, then he might as well get in the way of the serve if that was the case.
     
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  25. woodrow1029

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    Yeah really. Players would go out wearing football uniforms just so they could get hit with a 120 mph serve to win free points
     
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  26. LeeD

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    Diff is getting hit on a fly or on a bounce.
    Point starts when the ball bounces IN.
     
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  27. woodrow1029

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    Are you saying that if the receiver gets hit on the fly he doesn't lose the point?
     
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  28. Steady Eddy

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    In mixed doubles, my female partner got hit by the serve up at the net. The male server felt bad, and after a delay, we got the point. He kept apologizing so I thought it would seem weird to point out, that actually, they deserved the point. If I said that it would sound like I was blaming my partner instead of being supportive. So I allowed them to give the point to us. It was not a tournament match, but if it had been I would not have taken the point. Also if there weren't gender issues, I would have played it correctly.

    Even though people feel sorry for the person who got hit, technically, they interferred with a ball that, possibly, might have landed in.
     
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  29. LeeD

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    Woodrow...
    YOU are saying that. I only said what I said.
     
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  30. woodrow1029

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    I did not say that. I was just simply saying that by you saying "the point starts when the ball bounces IN" does not make sense.
     
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  31. raiden031

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    Was your partner standing right by the T or was it just a badly directed serve?
     
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    LeeD, you seem like you have an agenda of self-aggrandizement. You always drop names and brag about your past, then subtly (or not) put others down. Your ego knows no bounds (oh sure, you can just "thow in an ace" whenever you want to... so why not always?).

    You've only been here for a couple months, but your posts are rapidly becoming tiresome. I imagine I'm not the only one...

    As for the original question, it's already been answered in this thread. The only further entertainment here is to observe LeeD explain what "I only said what I said" means, since in his mind it clearly doesn't mean that "the point starts when the ball bounces IN."
     
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  33. Steady Eddy

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    It was a badly directed serve. But, either way, in a real match, we would have lost the point. To determine if someone interferred with it before it hit the court is a clear, yes or no decision. But, to determine if it would have gone in if not touched is a tricky judgement call, and I can see why the rules don't want to 'go there'.
     
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  34. woodrow1029

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    LOL. I couldn't have said this better myself. He has professional status with over 1,400 posts, but SOOOO many of them are just useless nonsense and just fill up the threads. Believe me, you are not the only one who feels this way.
     
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  35. pennc94

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    So can the correct returner volley back a serve? Must the serve be returned on a bounce?
     
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  36. woodrow1029

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    It has to bounce before the correct receiver returns the ball.
     
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  37. LeeD

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    Yeah, it must be tough to ignore ignorant posts, pretend they don't exist, and let the lie die right there.
    What I answered here was soooo controverial that all you 2nd year players just watch it whizz right over your heads.....:):)
     
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  38. woodrow1029

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    Another useless post.
     
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  39. LeeD

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    You mean kinda like yours?:shock::)
     
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  40. woodrow1029

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    which one??
     
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  41. JavierLW

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    Im not sure why Im bothering to respond to this since you'll likely just throw up another useless post anyway.

    But HEY!! Here goes:

    There is only a difference in getting hit on the fly or after the bounce if the ball happened to have bounced OUT (not in the correct service box).

    The point starts (ball is in play) once the ball is hit by the server's racquet.

    You need someone to proof read your posts.
     
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  42. LeeD

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    We were talking about reciever's partner standing out of the service box and getting hit, whether they win or let or server wins, just to clarify.
     
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  43. Steady Eddy

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    It doesn't matter if the receiver's partner was standing in the service court or not. If they touch the ball before it has hit the court they lose the point. Let's not make this hard.
     
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    Ugh. If you're out of your element in the argument and can't dispute their logic, throw up smoke and mirrors! Change the parameters! Straw man!

    Excellent tactics, LeeD...
     
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  45. JavierLW

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    Well then you are wrong, just like the wording in your original post.

    Here are all the scenerios:

    1) Ball strikes receivers partner on the fly: Receiving team loses the point NO MATTER WHERE HE's STANDING. He could be sitting on the bench enjoying a ice cold beverage and if the ball hits him on the fly then he loses the point (providing his partner indicates he is ready to start the point).

    2) Ball lands IN the correct box and then hits receiver's partner: Receiving team loses the point, the ball is still in play at that point.

    3) Ball lands OUTSIDE of the correct box and then hits the receiver's partner: This is a service fault, ball is out of play as soon as it lands outside of the box.

    4) Ball hits the net and then hit's receiver's partner on the fly: This is a 'let', no matter where that player is standing on the court.

    5) Ball hits the net and then lands in the correct box, and hit's that receiver's partner. By rule this is a let, defined by hitting the net and having it go in the box, doesnt matter what happens after that.

    6) Ball hits the net and lands outside of the correct box, and then hit's receiver's partner. Serve is a fault, it's out of play as soon as it lands outside of the correct box.

    There's also the distinction of whether it hit's the actual players body or his racquet. For that player it does not matter. If it hits him he loses the point because the ball in play touched him. If it hits his racquet that's as good as it hitting him anywhere else since he is not the legal returner.

    The key points here are these:

    1) Does not matter where that player is standing

    2) The point starts when the server strikes the ball.

    3) You're posts are hard to read and you tend to make misleading statements due to what is hopefully just a poor presentation, and not actual lack of knowledge.
     
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  46. albino smurf

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    Just aim for the net player from now on on the serves.
     
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  47. woodrow1029

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    I think in certain cases with him, it's a combination of both.
     
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  48. JavierLW

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    Right I think so as well, as well as the posts where he gives people skill advise.

    But that is perfectly believable. Just because someone is highly skilled or experienced (if he is), doesnt mean they know a lot about tennis, and it certainly doesnt mean they can teach anything since that is really all about communication and presenting ideas in such a way that it's accpeted.

    (which it's obvious is a weak point with him)

    But it's almost unimaginable to me that someone who supposably is such a big shot and has such a supposed vast tennis resume playing John Q Dingleheimer IV, Chester Yorrick and Rezny Bobbleclicker, would not know a basic rule such as this that anyone who's played in a tournament should know.

    Especially if he's old school. I learned how to play tennis on the high school tennis team in the late 80's and we all had to learn the rules.

    We played so much tennis either for the high school or on our own for fun it seemed like these sorts of weird situations happened all the time so we had to look it up.

    (which is weird because in adult play it actually does seem like we dont see it as often but maybe that's because we dont play nearly as much)
     
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  49. Peter_Chiu

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    Thanks for the replies everyone. We were just playing a very close and competitive friendly match (almost went to tie breaker each sets), but in end I still won. I did not want to be too imposing since it was a friendly match and I was not sure of the rule. We just kept retaking the point. and yes, he is standing right by then net on the T, which u know that cuts off almost all down the T serves. Thanks for the clarifications.
     
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  50. TheGreatestAudia

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    LeeD, you are NOT going to change strategies after you have just finished bouncing the ball and starting to go into your motion. That is what I'm talking about. If I saw a guy serving to me and watching my reaction right after the bounces, I would show him all kinds of different spots on the court because he would get so mixed up when getting into his motion! Granted, that is shady play but, if I'm in his head, I'm in his head. The poster's opponent was not moving into position to take it early or get a better chance at returning. He was merely playing a mind game. Riddle me this; if you get done with bouncing your ball and you look up to check the opponents whereabouts and he is nowhere near where you thought he was going to be, do you stop and change your tactics right then and there? What if he sees that and keeps changing so that you have to stop and change everytime? You would eventually just serve it, right? My point, LeeD, was because this guy wasn't trying anything other than trying to psych him out, just know where you're going to go with the ball and do it. Please respond without the attitude that is trying to scream, "I'm better than you!"
     
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