Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by babbette, Jun 20, 2009.
So it was mainly tendonitis, and it was mainly a mental decision by Nadal. Oh look, Darren Cahill was right I guess he knows what he's talking about after all.
oh just zip it. Sometimes if you have nothing nice to say just say nothing at all.
Not my fault Nadal fans jumped on the "hate Cahill" bandwagon. Anyways, it's not like Nadal fans are innocent of not attacking other fans / players either; need I remind you FO 2008, Wimbledon 2008, and AO 2009?
As I expected, it was just tendonitis. Something Nadal could play through if he really wanted to. He's just not mentally fit enough to go through such a thing.
He wasn't right. Nadal needs 3 to 4 weeks to fully recover. And slams take a lot physically so you have to be close to 100% to play in.
I do not believe he will be 100% in 3 to 4 weeks, 98% maybe, but not 100%!!!
I doubt he will ever be 100% again
(at risk of being bashed by nadal fan)...i think it sounds like nad could have played sw19, but definitely not at 100%, or even 80% (who knows). I think he is wise taking a different route than fed last year playing thru mono, so that nadal still has some psychological edge next time he steps onto the court...rather than play sw19, lose early again..
Wise decision. I don't think Nadal needs to grind week in and week out to keep or regain a #1 ranking. He achieved that goal, and I don't think his style is conducive to holding it for the kind of period Federer did. That said, I think a Nadal who takes care of himself and comes in as the #3 - #5 seed because he plays the minimum number of events would be a nightmare for Federer.
I'd like to see him play the minimum amount of tournaments, and a few smaller ones that will be easier on his body, using them as Federer does as mere practice for the majors. Frankly, if he wins 1 or 2 slams a year for the next 4 years, it will be much more valuable to him in the long run than holding the top ranking. If he goes deep into every tournament he enters because he's taking better care of himself, he's still going to hold on to enough ranking points to be in the top 5.
That way, we can enjoy his tennis at events we actually want to watch for at least 5 more years. Tennis will be boring without him. He has a unique game that frustrates the heck out of all of his opponents when he's fit...
well it just exposes how mentally weak nadal really is. It's obvious now that the soderling defeat has killed him off psychologically. Also, it just show's how much respect he has for wimbledon and his fan's. Sad situation, very sad. I thought nadal would be the last person to pull a stunt like this.
You are the biggest Nadal hater on this board. You find every little thing possible to rip on Nadal.
Good luck, Rafa. I hope you get better. :cry::cry:
yes, he can recover in that amount of time. but, given what has happened this year, that can go back again in the same amount of time. the frequency of recurrence is quite alarming this year. he was bothered by that already at year-end last year, then after the ao, and then now, at the most important grand slam swing of the year. he really needs proper scheduling, something that a 30 and above years old player would do in order to stay longer at the top. and it's sad he has to do it in his age.
Good to hear. It would be a real disappointment to see Nadal's career already on a permanent downturn at such an early stage.
He was right. Cite my passage in the Cahill thread as proof. He explicitly said that it was tendonitis and it was similar to Nadal breaking down in years past.
Nadal's doctor so much as guaranteed that Nadal would get better. Why? Because it's fairly routine tendonitis. Tendonitis can flare up and cause trouble, but it's nothing that Nadal has never felt before. The reason Nadal is not playing Wimbledon is due to BOTH the tendonitis and the mental component. He even says so himself, and said that he would only play if he was 100% mentally and physically. He's not.
blah, didnt federer play with mono? id rather be playin with a bum knee than being able to not hardly stand up without getting sick. nadal is a pansy, and is mentally weak. face it. if federer did somethin like this he'd be more known as a terrible competitor.
That's a dreadful post, and devoid of any logic.
Interesting. Rafa may be in better shape than usual for the US Open.
I don't care what it takes or how long it takes or whatever. I want Rafa back!
Very true; this will be interesting how he plans out his hardcourt schedule. I expect him to cut out the Canadian Masters simply because it doesn't play anything like the USO. He will most likely focus on Cincinnati, which has similar conditions to the USO.
nothing new here. we knew it was tendonitis when the test results came back. Obviously from nadal's comments the pain has gotten to the level where it was affecting his playing.
I have to think that that was a big motivator for skipping Wimbledon. He's got a chance to complete the career slam in New York. No sense risking that along with his long term health just to have a go at Wimbledon. He wasn't even beating Hewitt and Wawrinka, so he was going to lose early at Wimbledon anyway. Good decision.
I hope he comes out gunz blazing and wins.
How ironic a statement judging from your posts. Substitute "Federer" for Nadal, and I think we can safely say "Pot, meet kettle" :shock:
Let's just hope his body can keep up with his greed...
Poor little namRanger. It's rather childish don't you think to say, yeah but you/they did this and they did that.... :cry::cry:
Tell me NamRanger. Have you played in a tournament, going in knowing you had a weaker physical area with a long term injury you've been fighting? And when it became painful when you put effort into your match did you concentrate on the match or did the pain speak to you more?
It does, NamRanger. It's the exact same surface made to the same specifications. DecoTurf makes both courts, and all the courts for the USO and the USO Series.
A lot of USO champs have won the Canada Masters, usually the in the same season.
Cincinnati is also made by DecoTurf, so it's good practice too.
The Canada Masters is way cooler, which results in a much slower surface. Their HC by far is way grittier too; it takes spin really well there. Cincinnati is blindingly fast, even faster than the USO due to the heat. The Canada Masters is a HC, but by no means does it play anywhere similar to the USO. Cincinnati is a better warm-up tournament for the USO.
I've had tendonitis before. And I've played through it. You think Nadal didn't have tendonitis in the Wimbledon 2007 final? I am 100% sure he did. And guess what. He nearly beat Federer.
Cry cry cry. I'm sorry your hero Nadal can't take a little knee pain. I'm pretty sure it's alot harder to play with mono then tendonitis.
It's not childish at all to be giving Nadal fans a piece of their own medicine. I told them upfront not to be asses. They continued, and this is what they get. It's called Poetic Justice.
Is this translated from spanish??
what he meant here?The start of the season?
No, no, no... it's the exact same. I've played on those courts before. It's not way cooler. It gets to be blazing hot in the summer, I don't get where you get this "cooler" fact from?
And the court is not grittier, where'd you get that fact from?
It's the exact same as the USO and Cincinnati. Check DecoTurf's website.
Are you saying all this because Nadal is a 2 time champion at the Canada Masters? Get that bias out of your head and check the list of former champions. It's a list of who's-who of hard-courters and USO/AO Champs.
Haven't you heard. Every tournament Nadal wins is considered Moonballer's paradise. Madrid Masters of 2005 as proof. lol
I can guarantee you if Nadal won Cincinnati 2 times instead of the Canada Masters, we'd be hearing a whole different story.
Oh, and didn't you hear? Madrid Masters was played indoors, but instead of turning on the air-conditioning like they normally would, they played the whole thing in freezing conditions to favor Nadal.
Oh, and it was played on a "gritty" hardcourt (the whole thing was actually made of grits, a delicious southern dish), and an extremely low altitude. The whole thing was played 10,000 leagues below the sea, in fact.
Get over yourself you baby. Poetic Justice my ass. It's called a 50 year-old man getting upset when his favorite player gets attacked.
he needs to simply play less than he has this hard court and clay court seasons
Nadal played every bloody tournament on clay on the planet
Haven't you heard. Every clay tournament Rafa ever lost is considered fake clay. RG 2009, Hamburg 2007 and Madrid 2009 as proof. lol
quoted for truth.
I just googled Toronto slow HC and actually your own posts popped out saying it might be the slowest HC around:
Nadal can win on fast surfaces:Queens,Madrid,Olympics etc. However I always heard Toronto/Montreal was a slow HC during 90s,maybe that changed but I doubt it.Cinncinati always played fast and Sampras was quite succesful on it.
I'm pretty sure namranger's favorite player is roddick.
Oh, and you forgot
Brasil Open 2005
Monte Carlo 2005
Swedish Open 2005
Monte Carlo 2006
French Open 2006
Monte Carlo 2007
French Open 2007
Monte Carlo 2008
French Open 2008
Monte Carlo 2009
All fake clay, too!! LOLZZZZZ
Rafa won them, so probably real clay.
Canada Masters is the exact same as USO. It's made by DecoTurf to the EXACT SAME specifications as the USO courts.
Cincinnati and the rest of the USO Series are also the EXACT SAME as the USO courts.
Yeah, you're probably right because losing in 2 finals to one of the best players of all time is the exact same as losing to a complete no-name when it comes to clay in the 4th round of a tournament where flat-hitting hard courters made it to the semi-finals/finals.
So you're basically saying that Toronto and Cinncinati play exactly the same? Not what I always heard but doesn't matter that much anyway.
how bout tell him to see a psychiatrist as this "injury" is obviously much more in his head than in his body. He's afflicted with psychosomatization disorder from his embarrassing loss to Soderling in the French.
Nadal won Montreal as well. I mentioned Montreal is much faster than Toronto if you checked.
Go to DecoTurf's website if you want proof.
Okay,as I said Nadal did win on faster courts,atleast fast courts that are available today(no carpet anymore).
The best proof was in Beijing where they used the same courts and same tennis balls to encourage players to come to the Olympics.
The historical average temp for August for Toronto is 77 degrees. The average August temp for Cincy is 86. Although I would have thought it would have been more, I believe that would be an impact on Cincy playing faster-all other factors including surface being equal. You make some good points.
No he wasn't. Cahill said Nadal was "fine" and that he was mentally unable to play. Nadal couldn't move or bend. He was NOT fine. Maybe he wasn't "terrible" but he wasn't going to win the tournament, so better to fully recover rather than keep exacerbating the problem, lose, and then still be badly off for the hard court season.
Where on earth do you get your conclusion from that poorly translated article anyway? Nowhere does it state "Nadal is in perfect condition to play, he just doesn't want too." It clearly states 1 month for recovery, which is the time period Nadal gave when he pulled out.
You're just trying to stir up trouble by making giant leaps in logic. Cahill was completely wrong.
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