Dream match-up.

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  1. Paul Murphy

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    If you could pluck two players from the past and pit them against each other at their peak who would it be?
    And on what surface?

    For me:

    Lendl v McEnroe at the USO.
    Lendl v Agassi at the USO.
     
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  2. Paul Murphy

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    And I'll also throw in Hewitt v McEnroe at Wimbledon and the USO.
     
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    Always Lendl vs McEnroe on Indoor Carpet
     
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    Tilden versus Hoad on hard-court.
     
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    Laver vs. Cochet on a fine grass court. Was also the choice of Peter Ustinov's, one of the finest expert spectators of the game.
     
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    Borg vs Nadal on clay and vs Federer/Sampras on grass
    Kuerten vs Nadal on clay
    Agassi vs Djokovic on HC
    Connors vs Federer on HC
    Federer vs Agassi on HC
    Sampras vs Federer indoors
    Connors vs Djokovic on HC
    McEnroe vs Sampras on grass

    Some I can think of now.
     
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    Laver 1967 against McEnroe 1984 on grass at Wimbledon or US Open hard court.
    Pancho Gonzalez 1958 against Andre Agassi 1995 in a battle of former brother in laws. Arguably the greatest server versus the greatest returner.
    Lew Hoad 1959 against Pete Sampras 1994 at Wimbledon
     
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    I would love to see Pancho Gonzales play Thomas Muster. both fighters with an attitude but with totally different games that would make the contest interesting
     
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    great matches.And, of course, 1973 Kodes vs 1933 Vines on all courts of the tour....:)
     
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    Young V Spadea
     
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  11. Limpinhitter

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    I think we have a weener!
     
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    Hey, don't you realize there's a huge group of Vince Spadea fans on these forums. Vince would destroy any player today just walking onto the court.

    :)
     
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    You'll never let this go will you? I think Vines from a later year would be better by the way.

    Oh well.
     
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    Cochet did not have a great serve, and Laver could probably do real damage to it. More so than Tilden was able to do, I think.
     
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    Hilarious! :) But seriously, I would pick Laver V Nadal, 2 lefties going at each other, best of three matches, one on hard (US Open), one on clay (French Open) and the last on the present-day Wimbledon grass.
     
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    Joachim Johansson v Del Potro on HC (USO court from the mid 00's)

    Not a high quality match, just some old fashioned ball bashing. Plus I miss Pim Pim
     
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    A.Ashe Vs. J.Blake. 1968 US open.
     
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  18. kiki

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    Big serve and forehand against a great returner and solid, all round player.On hard, Vines on clay, Kodes.On grass, both did play exceptionally well and would be a great match to watch.

    Their major curriculum is almost a duplicated, except that Kodes did have great results at the USO while I don´t know which results did Vines have at RG.....
     
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    Little Mo vs Helen Wills on grass
    Alice Marble vs Monica Seles on hard courts.
    Maria Bueno vs Evonne Goolagong on grass
     
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    He did some very nice commentary, (at Wimbers, I believe)
     
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    Did Goolagong and Mandlikova ever meet?
     
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    Panatta-Nadal on the fastest possible clay courts

    Newk-Agassi on medium to face carpet

    Hoad-Connors on traditional grass

    Laver-Budge on hard courts
     
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    Laver vs. Federer on hard court or indoor carpet

    Borg vs. Nadal on clay

    Gonzales vs. Sampras on grass

    Gonzales vs. McEnroe on grass

    Rosewall vs. Borg or Nadal on clay
     
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  24. Limpinhitter

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    Chris Evert vs. Mo Connolly on anything
     
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  25. pc1

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    CAWLEY, Evonne
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    MANDLIKOVA, Hana
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    61 (31 Jul 1951) Age 50 (19 Feb 1962)
    Griffith, NSW, Australia Birth Place Prague, Czech Republic
    Residence Prague, Czech Republic; Sydney, NSW, Australia
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    Year Tournament Nation Surface Round Winner Score
    1980 Wimbledon GBR Grass 16 CAWLEY 6-7 6-3 6-1

    Evonne went on to win the 1980 Wimbledon. She later beat Austin and Evert.
     
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    I like the Newcombe/Agassi battle. Any ideas as who you think would win most of the time?
     
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  27. BTURNER

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    There was a book on women who won wimbledon. Entitled 'Look we've come a long way, Baby" or some such thing that used a lot of Virginia Wade ( I don't think she was the official author) In it, they quote Evonne describing her 1980 victory. She said she actually had an injured shoulder which only affected her when she tried to come over her backhands, so she barely hit her topspin backhand at all in the final so she was really surprised she could hang in the backcourt with Evert as well as she did with only she slice.
     
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    Thanks, Evonne beat 3 of the best 1980´s players in order to win her second Wimbledon.Great and final run.
     
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    They´d be around even although slow courts would benefit Agassi and fast courts, Newcombe.

    Another great contrast of styles would be Becker vs Nastase on Supreme turf.Boris won 4 major indoors titles and Ilie, too.
     
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  30. BTURNER

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    Hana was really a newbie in 1980, and hadn't reach a major semi yet so she was more of a potential best player, than a best player, but Evonne was not perceived as a real contender at the time post birth and rusty as she was. Big league accomplishment and great triumph for her.
     
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    Agassi and Newcombe would be fascinating in the way Connors and Newcombe was. Newcombe and Connors had some interesting matches against even other.

    Agassi clearly is stronger off the ground but Newk could in my opinion stay with him in most rallies and perhaps long enough to approach the net. The Newcombe serve would be a problem for anyone, even Agassi to handle. Tough match on any surface.

    Nice pick with Becker and Nastase too. I think Nastase's the more talented player and clearly the better touch player versus the power of Becker. If they played on all surfaces I would tend to favor Nastase winning the majority.
     
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  32. pc1

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    They just don't make them like Evonne anymore. :cry:
     
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    Agassi-Djoker Australian Open
    Sampras-Federer Indoors or Wimbledon or USO Prime for prime (judging by their exos that would have been very interesting)
    Nadal-Kuerten French Open
    Pancho-Sampras Wimbledon
    Laver-Borg prime vs. prime on all surfaces
     
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    Dream match ups....all in their respective primes:
    Federer vs Laver
    Djokovic vs Sampras
    Nadal vs Borg
     
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    No they don't. And if I hear one more person talk about what she missed out on, by not having more 'killer' instinct, I'll puke. She missed out on some tennis wins. but that same extra 'killer' instinct would have corroded who Evonne was and what fans got to see. I miss having a tour in which there is a place for people with tons of talent, and a sense of fun and joy in a shot well played or a 'good sweat-out', while working for games sets and matches'. Tennis lost a lot more than Evonne did. End of rant.
     
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    Evonne never had a topspin backhand
     
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    A month later Hanna almost wins US Open
     
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    I will agree, Newk had a good and sòlid around vale which IMOs undervalued.Great attacking FH and deep sliced BH.That is the diferencia with Roche
     
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    Hers is a fairy tale.her marriage, being a Wimbledon mom,her origins.nobody can love any other player the way we loved her.
     
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    Was Evert as close to Evonne as she was with Martina?
     
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    Borg vs Nadal at the French. Hewitt vs Nadal at Wimbledon and Hard Court.
     
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    Got to throw in Fed v Sampras at both USO and Wimbledon.
    I think Fed v Becker at Wimbledon would be fascinating.
     
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    And, last but not least: Fed v Laver - on any surface except clay.
     
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    Bobby Riggs versus Serena Williams.
     
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    It'd be noisy that's for sure. :)
     
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    Obviously Riggs would destroy Serena if both were in their primes but how would 50 year old Bobby Riggs do against peak Serena? That's five years younger than when he lost to Billie Jean but beat Margaret Court.
     
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    I'd take Becker the majority of the time on grass, at the very least. Nastase won at Forest Hills but lost both of his Wimbledon finals, compared to Becker's 3 Wimby titles and 7 finals.

    On clay I'd have to say Nastase; his record on clay is clearly superior.

    Hard court might be tougher, but Becker has two AO titles and a USO so I'd take him.

    Indoors might be the most fascinating of all. Nastase could push Becker hard. He won 3 Masters titles indoors, including a crushing victory over Borg in '75; and he beat Laver in five sets at Wembley; among other victories.

    But carpet was probably Becker's best surface; I think his peak level was arguably even higher than Sampras'. Nastase could push him hard but still I'd go with Becker here.

    Thing about Nastase is that he wasn't that consistent. When he was at his best he could take down anyone, including Becker. But most players were more consistent than him, including Becker starting around '88.

    Even on clay, which I think Nastase would win, Becker has a consistent record. He never got one claycourt title but he made plenty of finals, and in a series I could see him taking some matches whenever Nastase was fooling around in one way or another.

    Entertaining matchup for sure. Great personalities, exciting styles of play.
     
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    wee-wee vs. hoo-hoo

    for me:

    R. Raskind (US Open '60) vs. R. Richards (US Open '77) at the US Open.
     
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    Men's or women's singles?
     
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