Drop shotting old guys?

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  1. ahoomira

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    I'm brand new to tennis and just started playing matches at the 3.0 level in kswiss.

    I already finished my first season, but I'm fairly young (32) and most of my opponents were twice my age. I mean old...like 65 and up. Obviously, being that they are much older, their mobility is lacking and the drop shot is one of easiest ways to win points.

    Just curious if its good etiquette to continually drop shot an older guy? I mean point after point after point.

    The factors I can think of are:
    -It is kswiss flex league...is it that serious of a league to win every single point that way or is it better to just play regular shots to get better?
    -Is there such thing as tennis ethics - unwritten?

    Just curious....what would you guys do?
     
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  2. pheonix6579

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    Here is my opinion. When it comes to casual matches, where the same people meet up once a week to hit and a few of them have mobility issues, drop shots ever single point is a good way for you not to be asked back. Yes it is legal and yes it does win points but when nothing is on the line...its not a lot of fun and in those situations that is why people are out. Even, like me for instance, i don't mind the occasional drop shot, but when it really compromises my fun that's when it bothers me.

    Now in a league setting...now the tables change, because something is on the line. You could drop shot me all day and if i couldn't get to it..."good shot" (while I may be cursing you in my head). If you know how to win a point go for it. You will eventually have someone give you some of your own medicine or find a way to destroy your "drop shot" strategy.
     
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  3. gmatheis

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    What are the benefits of winning? Is there a championship of some sort? state/sectional/national?

    If that's the case then I think you do whatever it takes to win within the rules of tennis and sportsmanship.

    If however there is no real benefit to winning and it's more of a social league then I say be a little more friendly.
     
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  4. Mick

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    an old guy did that to me some years ago (using the drop shot on every point). I didn't like it at all. I later figured out how to prevent him from hitting the drop shot. He didn't like my solution either :)
     
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  5. PBODY99

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    As a player in the 55's, I would not care which shots you hit. If I have a chance to beat you in singles, it won't matter that much. The drop off is more in recovery than than in court coverage for the players I know.
     
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  6. ATP100

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    Wait till you get a little better, you won't think you are so "young" than.

    The better you get, the harder it is to recover physically.
     
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  7. floridatennisdude

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    In the league, I'd keep going to the well until tHe well is dry. If they don't have an answer to the drop shot, don't stop.

    I do agree with Phoenix that if you do this in a social setting, it will be hard to find practice partners. Maybe just try it once per game or something for practice.
     
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  8. spot

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    At 3.0 you play Kswiss to get better and move up to 3.5, The dropshot is about the last shot that you need to work on right now. I'd say play Kswiss knowing that the point is to improve so dropshotting all day long is sort of missing the point. At that level I'd think you would want to hit "your" shot whatever that is. For me at that time it was hitting forehands deep into the corners and picking my spot to get to the net. For others its S&V and chip and charge. It just seems like a bad decision at this point to make your game reliant on dropshots that are going to get destroyed as you move up.

    All this would be different if its a USTA match or an ALTA match where you ahve teammates counting on you. In that case then drop shot them to death.
     
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  9. floridatennisdude

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    spot - what if "his shot" is the drop shot? Shouldn't he work on ways to implement it?

    It's a nasty tool to have in your arsenal, especially when you can pull it out at the right time.
     
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  10. sureshs

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    It is great fun. Did it on Sunday many times to an old guy. Unfortuately, I still lost 4-6. He did not drop shot me once.
     
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  11. spot

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    No- for a beginner they should work on developing a weapon that will actually be effective as they continue to improve. It would be absolutely crazy for a beginner to build their game around the dropshot.
     
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  12. floridatennisdude

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    Hmmm, I don't know if I totally agree. There is a lot to be said for building an all around game, but I'd hate to encourage someone to ignore a possible strength to work on weak areas.

    My last 4.5 match, I played a notorious junk baller. I cruised in the first set when he was out of sorts, but lost a close second set and match tb when his drops and slices started to click and my approaches and net game became erratic. Finesse is not my strength, so I don't work on it much. But, if it were I would use it. This guy did and he won.
     
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  13. zcarzach

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    If its league and they are on the court to win, nothing is off limits. If its social play, just for fun, its a great way to lose friends and hitting partners.
     
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  14. spot

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    I just think its so shortsighted for a beginner to focus on what is effective at the 3.0 level rather than acquiring the skills to let them become a 4.0 player. Have them work on their dropshot after they can consistently drive the opponent deep with groundstrokes. Start with the shots that will be effective at all levels of play, not specialty shots that are devastating against 60 year olds but that would get eaten up by everyone else.

    Honestly for beginners I think working on the serve last is also every effective. In the beginning the biggest thing is just getting the point started. Getting free points on the serve doesn't help you improve.
     
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  15. cknobman

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    If it is a competitive match I would drop shot until their knees broke in half.

    Dont think for one second these older guys feel bad about dinking/slicing/lobbing these younger guys who like to play a power game.

    Tennis is all about exploiting your opponents weaknesses.

    If it is a casual match then I think you would just come off like an a hole.
     
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  16. LuckyR

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    In my experience, 65 year olds who play 3.0 are likely players who have been much higher in rating previously and to play 3.0 they must have serious physical liabilities. I am therefore not suprised that you may have difficulties with them if they can get to the ball.

    Since you are asking the question, it seems like part of you thinks it is a bit Bush League and I am not going to disagree with you on that.
     
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  17. spot

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    Just out of curiosity why did you join the site in 2006 if you are brand new to tennis?
     
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  18. Loose Cannon

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    Bolded for truth.......


    The more I know players don't like it.....the more I wil do it.



    Hower.....this is so true......as soon as you start feeling sorry......I assure you....you will face some mid 60 yr old that will make you look silly......the guy that does it every other shot......and has no problem nailing the droppies 5 ft behing the Baseline. Ive been droppied into defeat before......you feel like screaming!
     
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  19. Xisbum

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    As an official representative (66 next month) of the old guy demographic, I say bring it on. Whatever you want to hit is fine with me, as long as you don't hit me. :)
     
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  20. floridatennisdude

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    Well stated and you have motivated me. In my practice match today I am going to take a little off my serve to work on my ground game. Good point about not improving off free points...and it will lessen some stress on my shoulder!
     
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    Depends :)
     
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  22. polytheist

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    No drop shots.
     
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  23. ahoomira

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    I guess brand new to "serious" tennis. Before this year it was doubles with friends and trying to hit each other.

    Thanks to all who answered.

    Just to throw my two cents back in. I didn't drop shot the guy to death. I'm trying to improve and get better and just didn't think it was helpful to me to continually drop shot. So I didn't and lost.

    I will say though, when it got to the playoffs and my opponent was continually hitting high lobs to my backhand, I did drop shot him to death and won. The reasoning was at that point, no one was being polite.

    Kswiss was interesting. For me it was about getting better, and possibly finding hitting partners that are local.
     
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  24. ahoomira

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    I'll also add that I got beat a lot in this 3.0 league, esp in the beginning but I think it was a great experience and although I lost half of my matches I improved a lot.

    These guys were pretty much pushers and instead of drop shotting at every opportunity I learned to move better, hit high balls, move my opponent around the court and I think overall I came out better.

    The downside, is that the league refuses to let me play 3.5 because I lost half of my matches so I have to go through this again.
     
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  25. gavna

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    as an "old guy" at 51 i would have no problem if someone continued to drop me every chance he got. I bet though these folks you pay have been around for quite a bit and after maybe a few winning points from you they will find a way to turn it back on you.
     
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  26. Cindysphinx

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    Gotta agree with Spot here.

    In fact, I will go further than Spot. I would say that of all the shots in tennis, the single worst one for a beginner to rely upon is the drop shot.

    OP won't have to wait until 4.0 to find out just how limiting it is to have the drop shot be your weapon of choice. The first time he hits a drop shot against two at net in doubles he will understand. I mean, someone who relies too heavily on drop shots in 3.5/4.0 doubles will get poached silly.

    Even in singles, even at 3.0/3.5, you can't build a game around drop shots if you have nothing else to back it up. What will you do when it is windy? When your opponent is a rabbit? When your opponent starts parking in no-man's land to anticipate your drop shots, which then are treated as "short balls."

    That said, one of my go-to shots is the topspin moonball. It could be said that it is a mistake to build a game around a topspin moonball. Nevertheless, I won a lot of matches with it at 3.5 last year.

    Still, I would say a topspin moonball is a better choice for building a game around than a drop shot. The reason is my learning a topspin moonball was just a side effect of having learned to hit topspin off of both wings. I could, did and still can simply lower the ball into a regular groundstroke or even a dipper when desired. I am not sure OP has developed a sweet slice off of both wings that he is now simply tweaking for a proper drop shot.

    Nah. Develop your groundies and volleys. That's enough for a 3.0/3.5 player to have on his plate. There are a lot of people who hit a glass ceiling at 3.5 and get very frustrated. Don't let it happen to you, OP.
     
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  27. 813wilson

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    And....

    in my experience, 3.0 KSwiss/Ultimate tennis is really 2.0 USTA. In that, I am 4.0 USTA and stopped playing KSwiss/Ultimate at the 5.0 level.

    So the question is: how good is 2.0/2.5 "drop shot" in the 1st place.

    OP - it is a league, you're there to win, so it is okay. But, be sure to work on improving as others have mentioned.
     
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  28. user92626

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    Drop shot at recreational, low levels is very lame.

    If you fail, you look like an arse.

    If you win, you win a very short game and from the fact that people are lazy to play your drop shots so they let you win.

    Short game = boring
    Opponents without effort = very very boring
     
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  29. floridatennisdude

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    Spot, this helped me a ton in my practice match. I hit only 2nd serves and slices, pretty much in the middle of the box with just enough pace that they wouldn't get clobbered. I went for no aces and focused on my feet more and preparing for the return to come back. Definitely had longer rallies than normal, but it really got me into a groove. Good tip for practice sets.
     
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  30. storypeddler

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    Exactly. What he said.
     
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