***Dunlop 4D 200 Tour*** Club!!

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  1. basil J

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    I was actually thinking full 16G vs gut at 62#??
    60# was very comfortable, but balls tended to often fly long.
     
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    Have you ever tried stringing it with full poly at low (<40#) tensions? I had some shoulder problems with this stick last year due to overuse (mostly serving), went away after taking a little rest and doing some work outs with shoulder exercises. Since then gradually dropped the tension to 36# (currently with SP Hextreme) and haven't had any recurring shoulder issues with the 4D200T.
     
  3. basil J

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    No, I have not. I have not used full poly in 3 years, mostly out of fear of inflaming my shoulder. I like the gut/poly combo, but am willing to experiment. I typically use tourna big hitter blue as my poly of choice, when I use poly, because it holds tension well, is relatively soft for a poly and the quality is good. The BB poly plays well in the crosses, but plays stiff as a main, so that is out.
    I have used Klip kboom in the past as well, but find the Tourna BHB to play softer and have more power.

    What kind of multi are you referring to? I tried PSGD at 60# and it played kind of boardy, but served great with it. I have some Tourna irradted multi coming in, I may try that at 58#.
    Thanks for the suggestions.
     
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  4. kaiser

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    I think Chris from TW mentioned in the "LOW low tensions" thread in the Strings section that he had good results with gut/poly hybrids strung in the mid-40s. Ever gone as low as that?
     
  5. basil J

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    No, I have always stayed in the low end of the string range with polys and mid range with softer strings.
     
  6. kaiser

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    It may be worth your while to give it a try. At 36# a full poly job with SPHex plays wonderfully soft without turning into a trampoline. The strings absorb almost all shock and cup the ball very nicely. The low tension allows me to hit out with full cuts, with the extra topspin helping to keep the ball in. One of my favorite shots with this setup is to flatten out my forehand (trajectory-wise) while retaining big top so the ball doesn't fly. Great for blasting shots pats the net guy in doubles... My volleys and touch do not suffer (after an adjustment period, obviously), I regularly hit droppers that bounce back into, and occasionally even back over, the net. Last but not least, my slice backhand has turned from a liability into a weapon!
     
  7. basil J

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    what is SPHex poly? who makes that?
     
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    Signum Pro Poly Plasma Hextreme, I'm guessing.
     
  9. basil J

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    So I played a 4.0 tonight that I lost to 2-6,4-6 last week, and decided I would give the tour one more shot in match play, see how I played with it and see how my shoulder would hold up.
    During warm ups I immediately noticed the increased mass & solid feel over my Ki5's. Relaxed long swings produced really heavy topspin with nice arcing trajectories that pushed my opponent back on his heels nicely.
    All my shots, especially my BH slice were quickly grooved except my serve, which was a little off from the normal pace & action I get with the KI5.
    As the match went on, I really started to play very aggressive all court tennis. The tour really shines at net and punch volleys were deep, stayed low and were very effective today.
    My serve improved as the match chugged along and I realized that easy relaxed swings produced sufficient pace and spin to stay on the offense.
    We had an epic match, where we both played to the best of our abilities and ended up splitting sets.
    He was amazed at the constant pressure I kept on him and he said that my shots were much heavier and more accurate than with my Ki5, which produces great shots in it's own right. My net play was where I saw the biggest difference.

    Other than my serve, which I will continue to work on, this racquet feels very natural in hand and allows me to move from offense to defense very easily. I brought my "A" game today and would have probably played well with my Ki5 as well, but the added weight of shot allowed me to play more fluidly and move forward with much more confidence than normal. I am still not crazy about the BB poly on the mains, they do play stiffer than I like, but overall I was very pleased with my outing today and now really torn between frames. Regardless, todays match reminded me why I love to play this sport so much. All cylinders were firing and the competition was excellent.
     
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    I purchased two of these a month ago and had them strung with dunlop 16 synthetic at 60lbs that were strung for free with the racquet purchase. It feels pretty dead as compared to the demo 400 tours that I have tried. I think I went too tight. They are loosening up with use and feel more lively now. I will probably string at 55 next time and see how that feels. I thought that 60 would be good because it was midrange and the racquet allows for up to 65 as per the specs, but it was way too boardy and dead. Could be bad strings too, but I dont think the tension helped. Your guys thoughts?
     
  11. Keifers

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    I started at 60 and had the same experience as you. Dropped the tension to 56 and have been very happy since.
     
  12. JonnyAbs

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    I'll definitely try that. I just noticed that I called our racquet a 400 tour instead of 4d 200 tour. Start calling it that as well, haha.
     
  13. pvaudio

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    I'm in! Went from MW200 to HM200 to AG200 to AG100 to 4D200T. Glad to be here!
     
  14. Keifers

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    Haha, I didn't even notice that...

    Btw, when I've used poly mains/multi crosses in the 4d 200 tour, I strung
    them at 49/49. That tension worked well. (I've moved away from poly mains now, though, for less stress on arm and shoulder.)
     
  15. JonnyAbs

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    what strings are you using now?
     
  16. Keifers

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    A hybrid of gut mains/syn crosses @ 56.
     
  17. basil J

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    I just got some Tourna big hitter rough 17G. Anyone use this in the 200 tour before? The string has excellent reviews. I usually use big hitter blue and like it alot. Any feedback would be appreciated.
     
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    Add me to the club. Just took advantage of TW's great deal on these sticks, largely on the strength of the recommendations here. I haven't played much the past few years but played a lot of competitive tennis previously, using Prince POG o/s "one stripes." For me, the Dunlop felt great right out of the box, no doubt because I was used to a heavy racquet. I liked the balance and feel of it, even though the stringing, WC Scorpion at 45#, was radically different from what I was used to, PSG at 74 in the O/S POG.

    I would note that it comes with a very nice cover, even though the TW listing says it doesn't.
     
  19. basil J

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    Had to cut out the poly, it was bothering my arm a bit so I went with full becker gut at 62# today, and holy shimoly, did that bring this frame to life. I over hit some basic rally balls a few times, but once I got settled, the set up was fantastic. Great spin, fantastic pace and great touch & feel and serving, which I struggled with. Overall Play was nice and effortless with good action and power.. Great set up and the BB gut is pretty good. I have another frame coming in with full Klip legend at 62# as well.
     
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  20. basil J

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    Played 2 matches with the BB set up. Excellent power, spin and good to excellent control. I have been working a lot on serving with this frame and am starting to realize it's full potentiol. When I pick up other frames now, they feel like fly swatters. The mass and solid feel is quite addictive and as long as I don't play with lighetr frames, I don't notice the weight at all. Biggest plus-I feel like the frame really protects my shoulder. Fluid relaxed strokes give me all the pop and spin I could ask for and at net, this frame is rock solid.
     
  21. basil J

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    Have moved to this full time and don't even carry any other sticks with me anymore.
    I have turned my buddy onto this stick who has been using an RDS 002 tour for a number of years and he bit the bullet and put his order in today.
    This is a very well rounded frame that has solid hoop like no other frame I have tried. I have one strung with full gut and it makes that ceramic sound like the old prostaffs did when they are strung with full gut. I don't even notice the weight anymore and I am happy to be able to use a frame with full gut/gut mains without issue.
    One of my buddies uses a BLX 6.1 95 16 x18 and he felt that this frame played equal to or better than his wilson.
    This frame should get more fanfare IMO. The control/power ratio is the best in any frame I have used in years.
     
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    I ordered my second one yesterday too! Great power and control that keeps the balls deep in the court. Suits my game well with a punishing forehand to get my opponent on the defensive and then coming in to finish the point. The downsides are the maneuverability and the feel on touch lobs....
     
  23. basil J

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    Yeah, I noticed that I miss some easy volleys if I am lazy, but the power on demand is intoxicating and I have to reel it in sometimes or I end up making careless errors due to trying to hit winners in inappropriate situations. Otherwise, I have no complaints.
     
  24. basil J

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    Now that we are firmly into the indoor season here in the east, The exceptioanl qualities of this frame are really starting to shine. I think I have added 15mph to my serve since moving to this stick and with gut as a main string, my fragile shoulder is all the better for it. I have played 4 matches in 4 days without a hiccup.
     
  25. GoodSamaritan

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    Jut purchased two 4D 200 Tours :)
     
  26. basil J

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    still going strong with this frame. Just turned on a long time 6.1 user to it today and he is torn about making the move to a dunlop after using wilson's his whole career.
     
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  27. Top Jimmy

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    Previous standard Dunlop 4D 200 user. Switched to Babolat APD for about 8 months. Switched back to my Dunlop this week. Just purchased a 200 Tour since TW only has 1/8 grips plus users have said the 4D 200 Tour is superior in most ways to the regular 4D 200 so we'll see how it goes.

    Seems like most everyone strings it at the bottom of the tension range. Hope I didn't make a mistake starting at 60lbs.
     
  28. ghia

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    I own it and loving it...the 200 tour it's a miracle of feel, power and control!
    Have it strung with a multi at 23/22 and it's great!
    Too bad I only last about 30 minutes of play with it:oops:
     
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    You should indeed be embarassed unless you're much older than I think you are... I'm 56 and easily last two hours with this stick, after that it's more my legs that give in than my arm! :)
     
  30. ghia

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    I am embarassed and it is my arm that let's me down.
    (I'm younger but laizy)
     
  31. The Dampener

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    Am I reading that right?
     
  32. ghia

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    YES! I love the feel of multifilaments, and at that tension it seems like ball stays on the stringbed for ever so I can do, read place, everythig I desire; plus I get more topsin and even more power. I play an attacking style of tenis and I volley every chance I got. It's like magic, while I last!
     
  33. The Dampener

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    I don't mean to sound skeptical, but I am.

    I'm aware of the low-tension proponents--I am one myself--but that tension is...cartoonish.
     
  34. sam2223

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    i think he means kgs?
     
  35. ghia

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    :oops:oops! I forgot to mention that.
    I am talking about kgs, sorry for the confusion!
     
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    I have had my 200 Tour since TW had a black Friday sale for 79 dollars each. I love the swing weight and string pattern, suits my style very well. It is not for everybody. The players on my team pick it up and groan at the weight, I just laugh cause it works so well for me.
    I traded an old 80's Donnay for a X-Black 94 and they play similarly. I have not added the customization weights to see how it plays.
     
  37. Top Jimmy

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    Played my first match last night with my new 200 4D Tour, 6-3, 7-5 against a guy i'm 1-1 against in tournaments so pleased.

    The weight is slightly more but I did feel the difference between the regular 200 and 200 Tour during the match both positive and negatively.

    Backhand: I can absolutely blast my 1hbh, for some reason more weight just seems to work with a 1 hander. I did notice i couldn't do my normal swat/wristy-backhand if I was out of position and still hit a decent shot. It's bad form but bails me out. The weight takes a little more preparation.

    Forehand: Full western due to previous rackets i was playing (APDGT), just needed the spin to keep the shots in. Last night I was able to flatten out and hit some semi-western shots more frequently and really thump some shots. Been a while since I could do that with a racket.

    Volleys: Nice and solid but reflex volley's were tough. Plenty of touch.

    Serve: Ha, what a joke (in a good way). I was thumping down the T until the legs got tired. Did have trouble dialing in the slice in the deuce court. I'm guessing the open string pattern compared to the regular 200 was the cause of them going wide every single time. Didn't feel harder to move through the air than the regular 200.

    Open string pattern: I was able to hit loopy topspin shots with this like my APDGT but unlike the APDGT I could flatten shots out and not have them hit the back wall. Finally got the best of both worlds of my APDGT and 200 standard.

    Guess I better order another tomorrow before they run out of L2 grips.

    Strings: Full RPM at 60#
     
  38. basil J

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    Took 10 weeks off from the game, I ski all winter and just don't have time for tennis. I stepped out yesterday and hit with my only frame, the 200 Tour for the first time in quite a while. I was surprised at how quick every shot game back in online besides my forehand. I never really felt the flex on this frame before yesterday. I need to restring for sure, but i was struggling finding my range for about an hour yesterday. Overall, I obviously need to get back out and start playing again, but i was quickly reminded that this frame requires good footwork and mechanics and will highlight your weakness or laziness very quickly.
     
  39. The Dampener

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    So true.

    We discussed this beforeā€”it punishes bad form and rewards good form.

    I took just one week off and had to dial back in a bit, but once I did...

    Glad you're back at it. Not too many of us around to chat.
     
  40. basil J

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    I start the spring season full time in 3 weeks, so, fortunately I keep myself in excellent shape year round, I now just have to get tennis specific with my training, and really make sure I protect my shoulder. I am jacked to get playing again. I start back with my 2-3 times a week hitting sessions fresh from my layoff tomorrow. I'll do that for 2 weeks and focus on footwork, smooth fluid form and slowly getting my serve back. Off court I do wind sprints or interval training 3 times per week and whole body strength training twice per week.
    Let's go!!
     
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    Excellent.

    After taking on the 200 Tour, I've gotten much more serious about my conditioning. And I'm glad I have, because I'm finding that this frame and my newfound fitness are allowing me to do what a fifty-year-old shouldn't be able to do.

    I know you're in the same boat.
     
  42. basil J

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    Restrung yesterday with VS gutm 16G @60lbs and tourna BHB poly17G at 56lbs in the crosses. New strings always feel great in this frame. I have been using the Becker Hybrid package which I liked very much last year, but figured since I am coming off a long break, I'd try the VS/Tourna hybrid and see if I like it as much. Hit for an hour, mostly cross court groundies. Whenever I come off a lay off I work back into playing by first drilling cross court FH/BH until I can get back to 20-30 shot rallies on a consistent basis. My hitting partner is also coming off a long lay off and he enjoyed the drills as well. We did some volleys and then worked on serve location and spins for about 1/2 hour. Good workout. I feel rusty, mostly with my footwork, but I will take the next 3 weeks to work on tennis fitness, focus on ball striking and footwork. My1HBH was solid as a rock. The FH was a little off, but nothing practice won't help with. I also want to commit to really developing a good kick serve this spring, so i will allocate & commit more time to serve practice as well. The racquet still feels great in hand, and this the first season in a long time that I am not swayed to try a new stick.
     
  43. li0scc0

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    Count me in. Back to the Dunlop 4D 200 Tour.
    Had one in my closet and took it out to hit with, THIS is what I had been missing by trying lighter frames (still 11.5-11.9). Stability.
    It is going to take time for my shoulder to be able to handle the weight again for serving (fully torn labrum). I assume my first few matches may be ugly on serve, but the good news is it doesn't hurt. In time it will improve.
     
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    I picked up an AG 4D 200 Tour to evaluate as a possible replacement for the Wilson K 95s that are not too easy on my elbow, and the results are promising. Added a second last week as a result of the March Madness promotion at 50% off.
     
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    What March Madness promotion??? What did I miss?
     
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    It was pure chance that I came across the TW deal last week. I actually have not been looking to get new racquets. I hit with Babolat Pure Storm LTD. and am very happy with them. I have been curious though about a less dense stringbed as I sometimes hit with my wilson Prostaff 6.1 Classic.

    After reading reviews of the Dunlop 4D 200 Tour, I felt it fell somewhere in between the PSL and PS 6.1. I received the racquets yesterday and was able to hit with them today.

    My PSLs are 330g and 337g. The 4D200T are 347g and 350g. I definitely noticed the weight difference. It however did translate to a more stable racquet. I noticed I was able to hit a heavier ball with less effort. I also noticed more spin.

    I had TW string it with Wilson Extreme 16g as I was actually looking into getting an inexpensive reel of syn gut.

    I will try the dunlop w/ my regular hybrid of gamma challenger 17g and tourna big hitter blue 17g. strung at ~55lbs.

    I am happy with how the 4D200T hits.

    If anyone has any experience with the strings I use I would certainly like to read your thoughts on these strings.
     
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    Did you notice any drop in control switching to the AG4D200T from the PSL? I've been hitting with/demoing nothing but 18x20's, including the PSLGT, and am not finding the put away power I want yet I don't want to sacrifice too much control. From almost every review I've read, the AG4D200T has plenty of control which I why I'm seriously considering ordering a few.
     
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    Does anyone have any issues with the grip when hitting a eastern 1hbh? I just went out today for an hour of hitting and the edge caused the skin on my hand (on my palm, below the pinky) to rip off. I've had issues with blisters before, on my palm and below the middle/ring finger area, but it's a different spot and I believe that is from my forehand grip and not my backhand.

    And if anyone's interested, I was a total bone head and ripped off the lingering piece of skin, made it a lot worse than it needed to be :(
     
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    Never had any problems with blisters with this stick, I love it for my 1hbh.
     

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