***Dunlop 4D 200 Tour*** Club!!

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  1. dcheung

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    I have 3 4D 200 Tours and tried the new Bio 200 tour, though strung at the same setup but after 2 months back and forth trial, still prefer the 4D version. Just want to ask any one has the same feeling other than the price difference?
     
  2. The Dampener

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    In my opinion, the 4Ds outshine their Biomimetic counterparts. And I've played many of them. But I'm just one person with one opinion.
     
  3. heartattack

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    what string can you recommend and tension for a 4.5ntrp player with this stick?
     
  4. zumzool

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    I really like a multifilament strung at about 58 lbs..... but then again, i went with this the first time and if it ain't broke, don't fix it... so I haven't really had a need to try and other types of strings.
     
  5. kengan

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    When I ordered it, I got the luxilon adrenaline rough 16L at 58 lbs. First time using luxilon and did not realize they were polys... felt great the first time hitting but after a while you do feel the pressure exerted on your elbow. Dunlop grand prix extra duty doesn't help either.

    I would suggest maybe 50 lbs or even lower with a luxilon string.
     
  6. maxpower

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    I felt a bit more control. But I think it had to do with the adjustment to the different weight and being more conscious of preparing early and stepping into my shots. The added weight certainly makes the Tour more stable overall. It certainly has a larger sweet spot and I didn't feel to mishit as much.
     
  7. BDAZ

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    i'm joining the club, as i just got a 4D200 Tour through the Discount Madness! i somehow must have found a glitch in the system, because i got both the 20% discount and the 40% discount!!! 60% off!!! i was like, uh... okay. sweet. i'll click order. got the racket for $35! even better than the $45 for winning the bracket. should i post this in the "Lucky me... nice find" thread? have it strung up with lux bb alu mains and nxt 16 crosses. after a few hits, feels nice.
     
  8. The Dampener

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    I can't. Because I know nothing about your game style or preferences. All I can suggest is that you start with a string you like in the mid-tension range and adjust as you get more accustomed to the 200T.

    If you're completely lost about what to do, you might try a poly/syngut hybrid at around 53-55, with the polys strung 2 pounds lower than the syngut.

    Good luck!
     
  9. Sreeram

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    Can someone tell me the exact stung swing weight and also the balance pint of this racquet?
     
  10. kaiser

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    As with most frames, people have reported varying balances for this frame too. Mine were 7-8 pts HL but I picked out the ones with the most HL balance I could find. SW weight was reported at TW as ~354 with a balance of 5 pts HL, but many people here have commented that it swings much lighter than that. At TWU one was tested with a SW in the mid-340s and, I think, 7 pts HL. There's some consensus here that if you pick the most HL frames, SW will be somewhere in the 340s.
     
  11. counterpuncher

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    I paid the $10 matching fee and had TW send me the most HL frame with the lowest SW. As TripleB reported for his, mine had an unstrung SW of around 300. Strung with PLII 1.15 gauge mine tested at my local tennis store at 346g with a SW of 328.
     
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    i recently purchased a discount wilson racket called a hyper hammer hybrid 6 racket.

    it claims it is 10.8 ounces and is 7HH and is 27"

    it feels like holding a hammer, though i dont know what the swingweight would be.

    but the mass and head heavy-ness of this racket can keep balls deep with modest strokes and when gettign under and into the ball on a slower pace shot it can rocket them to the opposing baseline. changing direction is quite easy too without much body english. a split second more of slinging the racket face around and a several degree change in direction is achieved.

    i have a demo of this dunlop racket en route. i chose it because of the claimed swingweight posted on TW.
     
  13. iceinbangkok

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    I too recently purchased to 4D 200 Tours, although I missed the March special. I got them matched - 12.1 oz, 12 1/4" balance and 309 swing weight unstrung. 2 exactly the same. I am coming off the Redondo MPs which were almost as heavy a static weight, but quite a bit lighter swing weight (unstrung specs: 11.95 oz; 12 1/8", 295SW). Strung the 4D200Ts both came out to 350 grams. I added a Head Pro grip and Sampras O dampener and the static weight went to 357 grams. I am not able to measure head light balance or swing weight, but Paul Reed at TW estimated that strung the rackets would be around 338 SW. I don't think that accounts for the over-grip and dampener. I then played around with the grips etc. I found the Dunlop shape to be rounder and feel thicker than the ProKennex, which was actually perfect for my taste. I could not feel the bevels through the Hydramax grip. So I tried a Babolat leather grip, but right away found the balance to change and I didn't want to increase the static weight (went up to 368 grams). So I looked for Babolat Skin Feel grip, couldn't find it, but did find Pacific Smash 1.5. I put that on, twice. First time I pulled it too tight and it ended up very thin. I redid it, not stretching the material at all and it came out feeling softer and still a lot thinner than the original. I then put the Head pro over grip back on. I get the bevel edge as though it is leather, but it doesn't have the same solid feel, so I might go for a slightly softer, thicker over grip.

    I have played a couple of times with the rackets. It has made a big difference. I didn't find the redondos heavy, but I did find them a bit unwieldy. I also couldn't hit different variety of paces with them. Top spin was quite good, not excessive, but I found flat balls could balloon on me. My serve was unimpressive. Now with the 200Ts, new shots have started to open up for me. I can smash the ball with a flat drive and not worry about it floating. I can change direction during the rally easily, without overhitting. Volleys are markedly more solid, don't have to try too hard. And serves is perhaps the biggest change. I am banging a few aces and getting cheap points now. Overall, I am able to hit the ball so much harder, I am surprised myself. Maybe I could have got there with different string set up on the redondos, but I doubt it. FYI I am playing Solinco Tour Bite Hybrid strung at 52/54, poly in the mains. I am trying the same poly with Gosen Micro Og-sheep - it seems to be more powerful and more pocketing, might go up a few pounds if I stick with this. Will also trial RPM blast and Og-sheep hybrid around the same tension.
     
  14. basil J

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    I played the redondo Mp's for years and no, you would have not found any more power. the redondo's power level is prtty low and very consistant. With the right string set up, the 4D 200 tour hits one of the heaviest shots I have come across amongst all the racquets I have tried over the years. You can let the mass of the frame do the bulk of the work for you. I use the 200T when my shoulder feels strong and a KI5 for the days I am not feeling so strong and the difference in power level and weight of shot is quickly apparent. Ihave to work harder with the KI5 to produce the same shot I can produce effortlessly with the 200T.
     
  15. iceinbangkok

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    Thanks for the reply Basil. I have continued to play with and get used to the 200Ts. I have struggled a bit with a tender elbow so have abandoned the poly strings. I've settled on Rip Control 17 in the Mains. I have a natural gut cross at the moment and really enjoy how this set-up plays. They're strung at 54/52, but I would go down 2 lbs in both next time around. I plan to compare the Intellitour set up to see how it compares. I will try Intellitour 16, but if the feel is not comparable or the durability doesn't match up then I will go with a Rip Control/Klip Gut hybrid, probably in 16 gauge.

    The frame is very, very good. I changed the synthetic grip and have the weight to 353 or so now, swing weight probably about 340. I picked up a Black Ace 93 stock frame the other night and it felt very light. I also compared with a few hits of my old redondo, but the stability was not there, so didn't try any further. Hope others enjoy this frame too.
     
  16. iceinbangkok

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    update

    Guys - I just wanted to update all, in the interest of sharing information. Despite playing some really aggressive and effective tennis, and in fact having one of my best matches since returning to tennis 6 months ago (after 15 years on the sidelines), I have given up using the 200 Tours indefinitely. It's not the weight per se, I have just found them to be stiff even with Head Rip Control 17 in them. I did try NXT Control and that was better, but I broke the strings in a few hours. I think with a softer string, I might have been okay - but I am wary of elbow tenderness growing into chronic tennis elbow. The benefits i got from the 200Ts - heavy stock shot, huge pace off my forehand and ability to crank services aces - would be outweighed by not being able to play. FYI - I am turning 40 next week and play 2-3 times a week. I am pretty fit and can handle a 355 gram static weight racket. But I am going back to the Redondo MPs and adding a bit of lead to 3 and 9 o'clock to get me a bit closer to some plow through although I don't hope to replicate the power of the 200Ts. But the redondos are certainly easy on the arm and super nice feeling...
     
  17. basil J

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    Adding weight to the Redondo MP will help. My buddy has one weighed up to 12.9 oz @ 10Pts HL and he is one of the biggest hitters I play against. I think it is up to the individual. I ilke my KI5's right now, but have tinkering with the idea of revisiting the redondo MP again, since I had much success with the 200 T. I like an 18 x 20 better than 16 x 19 so a beefed up redondo maybe be a good comprimise. Let us know how you make out.
     
  18. Top Jimmy

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    I recently tried a multifilament/poly hybrid setup in my 200 Tour thinking I might like a softer feel, etc and it's basically the worst thing I've tried in a long time. I feel like I have to try soooo much harder to generate pace and spin and the feel wasn't any better, probably worse. Full setup of RPM is still my preferred setup.
     
  19. Justin-JP

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    Before you give up on the 200 Tours (since you like them and play well), give the Bio 200 Tour a try, if you can.

    I have both the 4D and Bio versions and much prefer the Bio. The Bio feels softer despite having a marginally higher RA rating. It's also more stable with a consistent string bed response. The 4D version in comparison felt kind of harsh off-centre and stiffer than it's RA rating suggests.

    The 4D and Bio versions I have are near enough the same static and sw, and both strung identically with nat gut / poly at the same tension. The Bio is definitely a better rqt and just feels a more refined version - which I guess you'd expect given it's a later model.
     
  20. iceinbangkok

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    Justin J-P - I am sure the Bio 200 T is great. You can certainly ask TW to get lighter swing weight versions too, so that could work. I think it is a good option in the dunlop range you could get a 200T or a 200 lite, if you like the 16/19 string pattern, depending on weight preference.

    BasilJ - I did try the redondo again and could not get the pace of ball I was looking for. 12.9 oz is too heavy for me to consider. On a whim I grabbed a Black Ace Mid demo and found the solid feel and pace I was looking for. I have put a leather grip + OG on, bringing it to 340 grams static weight. I've strung them with Rip Control 17 which is my string of choice now and really happy with where I am at. Took a while, but I guess that is the process. Good luck to all fellow TWers.
     
  21. DunlopDomination

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    New member of the club! I've been out of the game for about 7 years and after a lot of demos from TW I fell in love with this stick in my last batch and ordered two (plan on ordering 4 more in the future) with Gamma Zo Twist at 48lbs. I'm not a huge poly person but I really do like the Zo Twist at this tension, albeit it might be a couple lbs to low. If you hit with moderate to high top spin off both wings it seems like a nice setup to me though, and despite my sensitive wrist 48lbs seems to make it plenty friendly to my arm... In my past tennis playing life I was a high tension multi user and this feels as good or better to me.

    I had also demoed the Black Ace and Redondo 93 (among lots of other), out of those two I really liked the Redondo but the AG 4D 200 Tour felt like it had all the qualities I really liked about that stick but in a much more forgiving overall package (although I did LOVE the flexy is sexy feel of the Redondo...)
     
  22. JonnyAbs

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    You guys ever feel like these are too heavy? I feel like I am fatiguing quickly and making a lot of errors. When I go for shots, I am hitting a lot long, and I get too high of a jump off the string bed. Serving also gets tough further into a match. One racquet is a full bed of tourna quasi gut 16 (multi) and the other is big banger timo 18 (poly). any of you have similar experiences? thinking of selling these and possibly going with a prince ignite or ligher dunlop like a 300, 300 tour, or 500 tour. Thoughts?
     
  23. The Dampener

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    The only time I notice anything is at the net in doubles. I sometimes feel my reactions are a little slow.

    But in singles, I generally feel fine. And I'm a 50-year-old guy.

    So, for me, it's more about maneuverability, not fatigue.
     
  24. zumzool

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    In a word, No. This racquet is awesome if you can wield it and have good technique, shot preparation and fitness. All of which can be controlled by the player so I don't think they're too heavy. It's the same as asking yourself, are you fit enough to play with it? It's not the racquets fault.
     
  25. JonnyAbs

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    I demo'd the prince ignite, 300, 300 tour, and 500 tour. Surprise, Surprise, I hit the best with my own 200 tour better than any of these. The 300 was too light and I was spraying shots, the 300 tour had too dense a string pattern and i wasnt getting the pop I wanted, and the ignite was great at net but not so much elsewhere. I did like the 500 tour the best of all the demos, but I think I like my 200 tours more. I'll see if anything changes next time i get out to hit. You guys are probably right, I probably just need to get in better shape.
     
  26. DeShaun

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    Have a 4D 200tour and never been able to lock in with it, it always feels clumsy. I don't mind hitting all my shots with my entire body and having to take full long swings, but this racket just does not come around and through well for me at all. I much prefer my mids, a prince exo 93 and a youtek prestige mid--feel like the extra power the dunlop gives me is just not worth the huge drop off in control. all that extra power seems buried beneath a very cumbersome stick that i badly wanted to like. . .seriously I must've got a lemon from an otherwise probably fine batch of 4d 200t rackets, cuz almost everything about mine since the day i got it screams "out of whack" or "dysfunctional." it's almost 20 grams lighter than my mids, but again, doesn't seem to come around nearly as fast when i swing.
     
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  27. counterpuncher

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    200 Lite with some lead tape, 400 Tour with some lead at 12 or the 200G with a little lead are also worth a try, if you still don't get anywhere with your 200 Tour.
     
  28. harryz

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    4D 200 Tours arrived today

    4 of them, all 3/8 and all unstrung. They came with four sets of string: 2 Dunlop Juice (16 and 17g) and two 16g Prince XP Beast. Strung up one with 16g Juice on the mains and Gosen Micro 17 on the crosses around 55lbs and will take it for a spin tonight. I love the 4D200, AG 200 and leaded AG 100 but this should be in another league for me, as I prefer heavier and open patterned frames around 60 flex. Hit with it a couple of summers back and loved it; should have made the switch then. Now to unload my 15 (yes, 15:) AG 100s, AG200s and single 4D200....

    Harry
     
  29. wperry42

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    I have had my 200 tour since a Black Friday sale last year. I did not demo and I was torn between this and the 300 tour. I am glad have this and it is my go to racket if I am up for a real match. I do a lot of team coaching and I am standing flat footed feeding balls this racket is not my choice.
    I like that it works when I am all about form and the entire kinetic chain, feet to finger tips. Love this racket.
     
  30. The Dampener

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    I was in the same boat, Harry. I fell in love with the 100 and stocked up. But after my affair with the 200T, I switched and had to sell off the 100s. I kept 2 of them though, just because I could completely cut the cord.
     
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    to the Dampener

    Sounds like we have a thing or two in common. I'm 49 and have been playing most of my life, from junior tournaments on up. Have tried to love lighter frames but keep finding that thinner beam, flexy and heavier sticks work better for me. Hit with the 200T tonight and loved it, even more than the AG100, AG200 and 4D200. Have not tried the Bio 200T but no real interest as the 4D200T is really something else. Easy access to spin and it hits a really heavy ball.

    Your comments and Basil's echo my experience: trying to muscle the ball is completely counter productive. When I'm relaxed and loose it is much better. And I can get big topspin on both sides- even my 1hbh-- by really loosening my wrist and forearm and letting everything flow from the hips and shoulders, starting from a position with really good torso rotation. I guess that is modern tennis, huh?

    Now to find a nice string set up. The frames came with poly, and I strung one with a hybrid with poly on the mains and Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 on the crosses. Not bad, but I'm thinking Tourna Quasi Gut 16 mains and Big Hitter Silver 17 crosses. Need the soft mains for feel, especially on the volley. Any ideas? Gut is a bit prohibitive for me, but I may splurge....

    Harry
     
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    Harry,

    We do indeed have similar tastes. I can't say for a fact that heavy, flexible, thin-beamed frames work better for me. But I sure gravitate towards them.

    The one dig that always seems to come up with the 200T—especially with 100 users—is it's notable increase in weight. I noticed it alright. But what I discovered was, in time, it made me much better. I had to improve my prep and timing, so I did. Too many players, in my opinion, render their judgements on first impressions. They never give themselves enough time to truly see what a frame can do for them. I don't think you'll be one of those people.

    I can't offer much in the way of strings. I'm a bit of an anomaly. I thread up my 200T with skinny strings—18g MSV Hex in the mains, 18g Gosen MS in the crosses.

    Incidentally, you are partially responsible for my racquet preferences. You probably don't remember, but you sold me my first frames—a pair of Dunlop 200G Hotmelts—back when I first got into tennis 8 years ago. I still recall how helpful you were to me when I didn't know a lick about what I was doing.

    So this is a little late, but thanks.

    Damp
     
  33. harryz

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    Wow! Thanks for the kind words

    I'm glad to hear that I'm somehow responsible for you using the Dunlop sticks. AND more important, thanks for the encouragement to stick with the 200T. As much as I really like it, I am thinking of my old favorite the Prestige Mid, since there's a new one that is supposed to be great. But I intend to give the 200T some time and see if I can wield it...:)

    Harry
     
  34. GenesisTurbo

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    i recently got my hands on 3 4D 200T and i absolutely love them. I got them because of all the good reviews and it was a deal i couldn't pass up.
    you can really rip the ball with these rackets, it's unbelievable...me being a big guy, the weight isn't really all that bad, as long as your movement and set-up is good this stick is hard to beat...i hope this is not a honeymoon period.
    all 3 are strung with Dunlop Poly 17g.
     
  35. harryz

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    Sad news

    Had a good practice session tonight for about 45 minutes or so. The last 25-30 were not good. Horrible shooting pains in the upper right pec, and backhands were met with excruciating pain. I don't have any lead on the frame and have not had problems with poly, or with my AG100s, 200s or 4D200. I don't think it's the weight but the distribution; I wish the frame were more head light. Am bumming...:(
     
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    I have have used 4d 200t for a month now. Played 2-3 times a week, 2-3 hrs each time. Tried Babolat RPM Blast and Dunlop synthetic comfort both size 16. I love this stick. I used Prince O3 Hornet and Head Liquid Metal prior.

    I am 6'1" and kinda athletic so the weight was not an issue at any point. I have no elbow or arm pain. I do think that you need to be really relaxed to use this stick properly and if you do so for all your shots, you will have no issues.

    Love the control this racket offers, feel is there almost for every hit too. I was only able to find 1 grip size L5 and can't find any other online. Wanted to get another as I do not plan on changing any time soon, so if you know where to get it, let me know!
     
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    I have been playing with the 4D200Ts for nearly 3 years now with no racket-related injuries, and I'm 56... I've tailweighted mine with BluTack inside the buttcap to ~10 pts HL, they now weigh approximately 375g. I do play a modern W-W forehand with SW grip and a 1HBH.
     
  38. TimothyO

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    To make it more head light you could trim the bumper guard. I cut at least 4 grams of plastic from the gaurd which equals 16" of lead tape! That's a big drop in swingweight, 12g according to the TW customization tool.

    My Tours now play zippier with no loss in tortional stability...just some lower power and plow (which are still higher than most frames).

    It was enough of a change that I'm looking at going back to one of my favorite strings, Focus Hex crosses, from 4G since the frame's power is lower now and Hex has more pop than 4G.
     
  39. Top Jimmy

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    So, I've broken 3 of my Tours (over the course of the Summer, I might be related to Safin) and TW doesn't have anymore 1/4's in stock, anyone have a black market dealer so i could buy a few more?
     
  40. harryz

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    I'm going back to the 4D200 or IGPM

    I have one strung 3/8 used twice and three that have not been used. Only asking what I paid ($69 each) plus shipping. harryzweben@yahoo.com
     
  41. GenesisTurbo

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    same problem here...after hitting for an hour my arm was dead, i could not even lift anything. the pain was in the elbow/elbow joint. I could not lift anything, i just had to rest it.
     
  42. The Dampener

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    That was quick.
     
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    I am 135pds and swing the Bio 200 Tour just fine and actually prevents should pain and injuries because the racquet absorbs a lot of the shock from the ball. It works for me.
     
  44. harryz

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    Yeah, but here's the thing

    I was considering making it a bit lighter and more headlight, and then discovered the Head IG Prestige Mid Plus. I prefer the Head, which is about the best frame I've found yet for me.

    Harry
     
  45. The Dampener

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    Tim-O,

    Did you ever post photos of this? I know you'd discussed the idea, but I don't recall seeing any.

    Damp
     
  46. The Dampener

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    How would you compare the two, Harry?
     
  47. harryz

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    Comparison

    Both are low powered, very stable and solid. The IG balance feels more right to me. Not sure if it's simply the head lightness; I think it has more to do with where the frame flexes. Given this, I think that both are about as good as it gets these days and to me the TW review of the IG is way off the mark. Aside from low-ish power it should have an 84 or 85 rating as everything else about the frame is great.
     
  48. The Dampener

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    Hmmm? Now I'm curious.
     
  49. JonnyAbs

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    luxilon brutal even in our frame?

    I bought a trial pack of luxilon because I have heard how receptive our frame is to polys. It sounded like a great idea because I use a western forehand with a lot of spin and with a multi, I sometimes have trouble keeping the ball from sailing long. I had one of my 200 tours strung up with a full bed of Luxilon alu power rough 16 at 55 lbs, and it is crushing my arms. I have had to take 2 weeks off. The first day it was tearing up my left arm on my 2HB and since then, I have to switch racquets pretty quickly because my forehand sometimes jars with pain (I am a righty).

    My second racquet is strung with luxilon timo 18 and previously I didnt have problems with it, but when I switch from the alu power rough to the racquet with the timo, I am ok for a short while, but then my arm starts aching again.

    At a 62 flex, I never would have thought that this would happen. I used to string with a full bed of tourna quasi gut 16 with no problems, but like i said above, it was too powerful and I was sailing some balls long. You guys ever have problems with a full set of lux poly on this frame?
     
  50. harryz

    harryz Semi-Pro

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    Back to Dunlop

    As it turns out, the IG was a bit stiff for me. I'm giving the Bio 200 a go as I'm realizing that I want something with more flex..
     

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