Dunlop 4D100: What a STEAL !!!

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  1. raguhtheman

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    Glad I bought two of them from TW on a whim ! $54 a piece!! It's actually $59.95, but I got additional 10% as I ordered some more stuff! Currently, I play with IG Radical Pro and am happy with it. But when I saw this deal, I couldn't pass up.

    I had tried AG100 couple of years back, but, for some reason, I didn't like it at the time (probably, my game was not up to it).

    So far I am liking 4D100 a lot, so much control, not too harsh on the arm. My serves are more accurate and picked up more speed! Volleys are lot better, can feel the ball. Based on what I read on the epic AG100 thread, I have added lead 1gm@12, 2gm@3pm and 2gm@9pm. Strung both racquets with TourBite 17 mains and Forten Sweet 17 crosses. One racquet at 53lb mains/56lb crosses, second one at 48lb mains/52lb crosses. Haven't tried the lower tension one yet.

    I am pleasantly surpised, especially considering what I paid for this brand new, quality player's racquet! What can you buy for 50 bucks? Go for it! It's a STEAL! Don't be afraid of 90 head size!!
     
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  2. raguhtheman

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    Oh, it looks cool too!!

    Oh... And it looks so nice with the black PJ! Black PJ is this year's trend right? So many racquets released this year in black color!

    I have KPS88 and TW reissue of PS85. And 4D100 looks better than those two!!
     
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  3. zapvor

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    it is a nice stick. i have one but i dont use it
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Did you try the Biomimetic 100 first before buying the 4D100?
     
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  5. leroy_sunset

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    I wanna try it, but they only have #1 grips left. Ugh, I still might pull the trigger. I'm currently playing with the Prince EXO3 Graphite Mid 93 and I think I want something a little lighter, with the same control and head-light specs.

    By the way, how exactly did you get 10% off???
     
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  6. raguhtheman

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    This stick begs for little added weight in the hoop. Stock SW is too low. Did you try stock?
     
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  7. raguhtheman

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    No, I haven't tried bio 100. From what I have read here, it has harsh metallic feeling. So, didn't bother to demo. Have u played with both of these sticks? How do they compare?
     
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  8. raguhtheman

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    Yeah, I play with #2 grip too. But, I bought #1 thinking I can add one more over grip. But, I am liking #1 grip with one over grip better now. I feel I get better help with my wrist...

    Oh, my order was big, so I called tw and requested....
     
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  9. leroy_sunset

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    I play with a #4 with overgrip, so it's a bit more problematic for me.

    Lol, I've never had the stones to request a discount based on my order size. Was it over $1k?
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    I have not played with the 4D 100. I've only played with the Bio 100 and the AG 100. The Bio 100 is definitely stiffer and swings heavier but I didn't find that harsh metallic feeling that some others have. I think it feels OK although it's hard to tell with the demo strings strung so tight. The hoop in the AG 100 seems to twist a bit more but it has a plusher feel to it. I can play with either one but I like the higher swingweight of the Bio 100 a bit more so that I don't have to add lead tape to the hoop.
     
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  11. lgbalfa

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    i might consider this.

    good deal for the price.

    not a big deal for me to switch from a 98 to 90.

    grew up playing with the fischer vacuum pro 90 and kind of miss it.
     
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  12. leroy_sunset

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    Pulled the trigger. Just ordered one to try, I'll see if I like it (hopefully they don't sell out if I decide to grab another).

    Asked them to string Gamma TNT2 17 @ 53lbs based on other folks' suggestions. I break strings a lot in my larger 16x19 frames, but I never break in my 18x20 EXO3 Graphite 93.

    I also had to order 4x heat-shrink grip enlargers :(
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    I hope you realize that heat shrink sleeves add a lot of weight? So if you put all 4 sleeves on the handle, your racquet is going to end up weighing close to 14 oz.! Yikes! :shock:
     
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  14. raguhtheman

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    Hope u will like it. Before applying heat shrink, I really suggest u to try with two over grip or a thick(1.5mm) leather grip and one over grip. Also add lead tape to the hoop. I am sure u will love this stick.

    If u like it, try other online retailers to seen if they have #4
     
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  15. leroy_sunset

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    I will probably add 2x of the heatshrink sleeves, then an overgrip over the main grip. That should do the trick. I also will add a bit of lead at 12oclock to balance things out. Trying to keep the final weight near 12.25 oz like my EXO3 Graphite 93.
     
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  16. lgbalfa

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    just purchased 3 today and i am looking forward to receiving them on friday.

    these racquets are replacing my maxply mcenroe's that i have used for the last 4 years.
     
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  17. HIGHER_PRIMATE

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    Its got some odd specs for a 90. I hit with it when It first came out in 2010, I didnt like it all too well to small of a head for it being so light, and went with a LTD.
     
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  18. Shangri La

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    The extra low twistweight worries me.
     
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  19. LeeD

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    If you don't like a 308 SW, add two pieces of lead, 10-2, about 6" each, to increase SW to around 320.
     
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    Never had much success with lead tape, I always mess it up and hate the feel of it, no matter what stick Im hitting with. I always end up returning to stock form.
     
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    Haven't tried on TW calculator. But even with added lead to sw of 320s, my guess is its twistweight would prbably still no higher than 10.
     
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  22. LeeD

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    Not sure what your "twistweight" is.
    I use a 4 5/8 grip, and my racket's don't twist in my hand even against 5.5 level current Div1 singles players. I miss plenty, hit long, and get passed, but the racket doesn't twist.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    It's not that the racquet twists in your hand. It's the hoop twisting around its center axis. So if you hit right or left of center, the hoop could twist even though the handle doesn't twist at all in your hand.
     
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  24. LeeD

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    Would be interesting to see vids or stats on "twist weight".......
    Seem you can just hit center of mass, and forget twisting being a problem.
    Another cure is to swing faster and harder at the ball.
    Another cure is to hit your best shot before your opponent hit's HIS best shot.
     
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  25. BreakPoint

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    If everyone could do that consistently, we'd all switch back to 65 sq. in. wood racquets. :)
     
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  26. jonestim

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    EDIT: Nevermind. It appears you were saying the racquet twisting is the problem, not that the twistweight is a problem.

    Isn't that like saying that swingweight determines the flex of the racquet, a statement we all know is false?
     
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  27. LeeD

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    Kinda like skis? To have torsional stiffness, there needs to be at least a medium level of flex. Most stiff skis are torsionally stiff.
    A racket with a flex under 56 would bend and give on off center hits, unless it has a really special throat beam design.
    A racket with a flex rating over 70 is also torsionally stiff, but transmits shock to the player.
     
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  28. netguy

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    At about 338 grams this stick rocks! And the paint job is a dream :)
     
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  29. HIGHER_PRIMATE

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    Djokovic seems to do pretty good with that wet noodle flexibility of his racket. Isnt his around 55 or so?
     
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  30. LeeD

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    Really?
    If you look up the racket he endorses under "HEAD rackets", you will see a stiffness rating in the highest 60's, close to 70. That is APD territory.
     
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  31. pmata814

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    No. It's 68 according to TW. I hit with it last weekend and it is super stiff. It feels like way more than 68. I hated it!
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    If it wasn't for the hideous paintjob, I would have bought one. :shock:
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Dudes, Djokovic is using a paintjob. The retail racquet is not remotely close to what Djokovic actually uses. The racquet he actually uses is super flexy and heavy and based on the LM Radical mold.
     
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  34. zapvor

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    i always play stock.
     
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    If you still have the racquet, I really suggest you try with lead in the hoop 2gm@3, 2gm@9 and 1gm@12 working for me. Plays lot better than stock.
     
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  36. raguhtheman

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    netguy, from your postings here on forum, you have been playing with this stick for some time. Can you share your racquet specs? What customization have you made? Any string combinations you like other than what's in your sig?

    Also, have you tried Bio 100? How does it compare?
     
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  37. LeeD

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    Breakpoint.... assuming you are correct, LM Rad has a 62 flex.
    MicroGel's are around 57's.
    If you played with LMRads (I have two), you will say they could easily be 65 in stiffness, especially considering the stiff upper hoop.
     
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  38. BreakPoint

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    I said Djokovic uses the LM Radical mold. I didn't say he uses the retail LM Radical. Of course, like most pros, he uses a custom layup so his flex and weight is custom for him. Racquet companies can make frames with different stiffness and weights using the same mold.
     
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  39. LeeD

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    Should we think this thru?
    If a player can have any specs on any style of frame, why would he choose ONE specific frame?
    Because that frame style gives him his specific specs. Like a MicroGel frame doesn't give him his stiffness needs. He likes the playability of the LM mold, because it can be tuned to his specs. But it starts out 62, not 57, and not 68.
     
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    Maybe he likes the head size, the head shape, the beam width, the throat length, the handle length, the string pattern, who knows? I'm sure he can play with other molds, too. But that's the one Head is using to make his custom layup for him. Why does any pro choose the mold that they use? Most top pros use custom layups.
     
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    A certain shape mold would have certain characteristics that it does best, and using some other mold say the MG mold, you cannot get the same playing characteristics as the designed for stiffer LM mold.
    You can't make a tiger out of a lamb.
    You shouldn't try to make a stiff racket out of a soft racket mold, or vice versa.
    Like Head needed a new mold to make their current 68 stiffness high end rackets.
     
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  42. netguy

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    I customized my two 4D 100 by adding lead tape @ 10 & 2 and on the handle just to keep the stock balance. I removed the original grip. I use Wilson k grip. I playtested the 4D and the Bio 100 at the same time for a week. The Bio was too stiff compare to the 4D. The strings that play the best in my experience are Pacific Xcite, Silverstring and Forten Sweet. Pacific Classic 16L plays well on the mains too.
     
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  43. zapvor

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    i still have it. maybe i will take it out sometime.
     
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    raguhtheman - what is your level?
     
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  45. leroy_sunset

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    Got it today. I added one heat shrink grip enlarger (17 grams), then a Yonex Supergrap overgrip. Total strung weight is now 348 grams. By comparison, my strung Prince EXO3 Graphite 93 with overgrip is 349 grams. The balance is also really, really close (Prince is maybe a touch more headlight). I am pretty sure the balance specs from Dunlop are off, as both sticks are supposed to be 8phl. 16x19 pattern on the Dunlop is a bit more open than the 16x18 pattern of the Prince.

    I will hit with it tomorrow night and report back. I'm excited :D

    One last thing - I had TW string it for me, and the strings are already a little notched. I find that odd - I've never experienced that stringing my own sticks.
     
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    Tested it out tonight - shankapotamus. Just too narrow for me this evening, and the sweet spot is pretty small. The extra weight in the head also made it less whippy, so I think I was off on my timing. I think it'll have to sit in the bag for a while until I get a few hours to groove with it (match play tonight).
     
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    When I played stock, I had the same experience. It only needs bit of weight in the hoop. That will make it more stable & expand its sweet spot in my experience. Its still whippy enough. I didn't add any weight to the handle. So, I can't comment on that. Don't give up. Keep us posted with your further experiences with this stick.
     
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  49. raguhtheman

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    They look awesome with leather grip! It will be interesting to hear your hitting experiences. I am guessing, like Leroy, u might experience little plough without lead in the loop. Since u got 3, I suggest u play one stock so u can compare? Then u can lead gradually.
     
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  50. leroy_sunset

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    When I connected, it was effortless, especially crosscourt. Felt really solid. The issue was getting the ball to make contact with the strings :D

    Like I said, I will just need to play with it some more. One of my favorite sticks is a Head Graphite Edge, which is 82 square inches. I can handle the smaller size, it just takes time.
     
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