***Dunlop Aerogel 1hundred (AG100) club***

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  1. vickytor

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    Demoed an AG200 yesterday since I wanted to get a feeling of a heavier Aerogel (didn't have a chance to try adding weight to the AG100 I demoed). Of course, it played differently because of the the string pattern and larger headsize, but I could feel a little more stability with the higher swingweight.

    It still had the great feedback that felt from the AG100, but I'm starting to wonder if some of the "feel" that I'm getting is actually the vibration from the racquets striking the tennis ball. Perhaps the more stable and heavy the racquet, the less feeling you get out of it?

    Have any of you done a "feel comparison" between a stock AG100 and leaded up one?
     
  2. Rabbit

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    Pulled the trigger

    Well, I did it. I put in an order with TW yesterday morning for 3 Dunlop AG 100s, 3/8 grips. Looks like I'm an official member of the club now.
     
  3. Return_Ace

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    Ooh congrats Rabbit....

    And...

    IT'S ALIVEEEEEE ! ! !

    Quick call to vantage paul about my leather grips yesterday and a very nice response that they'd just arrived in the morning and would be shipped out... and they arrived today :D (also got an apology for lack of email updates... although he said he was sure he'd sent me one -blame server :p).

    So...

    [​IMG]


    Just need to find a time to hit with it :p.
     
  4. Keifers

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    Congrats, Rabbit. :)

    I'm very tempted myself -- the AG100 is the first racquet in a long time that I've gotten really excited about.

    Just curious, did you ask TW to match the frames? If so, which parameters, and did they charge you extra? Many thanks.
     
  5. Rabbit

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    Thanks!

    I feel exactly the same way. This racket is just plain fun to play with. And, it definetly gives me a performance boost. I don't see any downside with regard to how it's set up stock. I don't have a stability problem hitting with it and have hit against some pretty hard hitters. I made damn sure I gave this one a thorough testing before I decided to buy.

    I'm really excited about the prospect of moving from an all-poly set up to an all-gut set up. Gut or multis just play better around the net. I like PolyForce Original and Xtreme a lot they provide great control, but they are not feel-oriented.

    You know, I did not ask TW to match. I thought about it. But, really and truly, 2 - 5 grams ain't gonna make/break my game. I don't see me losing any games because there's a few grams difference in the frames. As far as matching, I have lead tape, a digital scale, a balance board, and access to TW's Racket U. If it becomes an issue to me, I'll take care of it. If I can't do it, I have access to a maestro of customization who might be willing to help me out for a reasonable amount.
     
  6. Keifers

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    ^^^

    Fair enough. Sounds like you have the tools to make any adjustments, should that be necessary. And a maestro of customization as back up (that's pretty cool!).

    I like to get to net whenever I can ("first to the net, first to the pub"), and I'm looking forward to seeing how the Ag100 feels with all gut or a gut hybrid.

    Let us know how you go. Thanks.
     
  7. jasonbourne

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    Keifers, thank you very much for the clear explanation of what you meant earlier. I agree with your advice.

    While you sent this to me yesterday, I just returned from giving the AG100 another chance with the extra weight at top of the handle. I am now familiar with what AG100 fans have been clamoring about. I preferred the (raw--liken to POG mid) feel and (Prestige-like) directional control better than the K90. I think the stiffness, frame flex plus the syngut strings made the difference. In addition, after playing four days in a row, 2hrs each, I did not feel any discomfort from the AG100 yesterday.

    I am intrigued that typically heavy, MS frames are low powered and offer great control. The lighter MP frames are usually more powerful. The AG100 is a light, MS with low power and amazing control. Adding weight will add to the power, while still being maneuverable. I wonder if Dunlop's intention was to appeal to a wider range of players unlike the typical MS frame would.

    I greatly enjoyed the ability to hit consistent and solid from both sides at the baseline during a rally, then be able to consistently and effectively crack a shot with the same swing speed, but slight more whip at a fraction of second prior to striking the ball for a change in direction and/or extra pace to force an error or earn a clean winner. The very HL balance, hoop stiffness and frame flex aspect of the frame allows that. I don't think I could produce this consistently with K90.

    I expect the performance to be better if I were to use lead in the hoop with a balance in the handle as you suggested. Last night's experience was great! :razz:

    I look forward to another 8hrs of great tennis with this demo.
     
  8. jasonbourne

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    vickytor, I explained earlier that stock AG100 was too low of power for me against one of my hitting partners. Most of my shots were easy for my partner to gain control of the point. The racket provided more than sufficient feedback to my hand at the pace I had to deal with coming from my partner's racket.

    Yesterday I increased the static and swing weight. This made a world of difference. I enjoyed the feel. It was raw, like a POG mid.
     
  9. mdjenders

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    got mine today, strung with dunlop max comfort 17g at 51. a quick hit showed that in stock form, it is VERY low powered and VERY spin friendly. I think that if I am to use this one, I need to drop the tension or add mass.
     
  10. s7evin

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    Smooth, i'm glad that you got the leathers.
    BTW 'cause it took so long for them to arrive what did the labels say, "vintage"?
     
  11. samster

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    This racket is not low-powered on the serve. The other strokes, may be. But not the serve. (My AG 100 is modified to 352 grams, 9 pt HL, however).
     
  12. geesechops

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    I agree with the "RAW' comment. I can work the ball to get those great angles I just can't get with my PS85 or MG Prestige Mid. It's not that I can't get spin out of them I just can't feel that bite as well. I think if I play with the weight more I will get a bit more drive on the back hand, which I need for this racquet to become my one and only.
     
  13. Keifers

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    You're welcome, jason. I'm glad you're enjoying this rather unique racquet more now...

    I agree. The stock AG100 is quite light for a Mid, but it's stable, maneuverable, offers excellent control, has a very decent size sweetspot for a 90, and serves huge. That a 4.5 like Rabbit has no problem using it stock against hard hitters says a lot, imo.

    That it can also be customized to add heft, power and plowthrough without compromising its best features probably does make it appealing to a wider range of players than other Mids, at least any other Mid that I know of.

    I think you're onto something here... The AG100 seems to allow micro-adjustments just before impact and probably during impact (because of its excellent dwell time), and so allows us to hit shots we couldn't hit with heavier, low-power Mids or lighter, more powerful MPs. In my very first hitting session with it, I noticed I was thinking where I wanted to the ball to go...and it actually went there. Yikes! It was a little eerie at first, but then I settled down and just enjoyed it... :)

    Enjoy! ;)
     
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  14. mdjenders

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    Damn right it is :shock:! I hit some serves inside tonight and wow, after 5 minutes I was hitting some great serves for me, and for such a light racquet. Mine stock is 11.4oz, 9.5 pts HL, and it feels like the biggest chunk of weight is concentrated in the bottom of the throat right above the handle where the beam width bulges a bit. I am going to add lead to 3/9 to get mine up to 12.0oz and see how it hits.
     
  15. samster

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    Try a little lead...it will add significant pop to the serve.
     
  16. Rabbit

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    Hmmmm........

    Hmmmmm hmmmmmmm......

    AHA!

    mdjenders, I'm glad you revised your assessment. I have found the racket to have more than enough power. IMO, this frame is significantly more powerful than my C10s which are 98 sq in.

    samster, old buddy, how much lead are you talking here? My thinking with this frame is that it wouldn't hurt me one iota to have something a little lighter than the current 12.7 ounces (or 357 grams for you techno-geeks) I'm currently swinging along with a lighter swingweight. That kind of weight tends to get a little tedious after a couple of hours in 100 degree heat/100 percent humidity.

    And, samster, old buddy, how much improvement does it make in your serves? Mine are already noticably faster...I can't wait until I get mine and put some leather on them. This alone will make them much easier to use IMO. The stock grip is horrible.
     
  17. samster

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    Mr. Rabbit,

    My usual grip size is 5/8 and I got my AG100 used from BP in 3/8. I applied a shrink sleeve to make it into 1/2 grip and put a replacement grip on it. With that setup, one overgrip, one shockbuster, it comes out to be 352 grams and 9 pt HL balance. Without the shockbuster, it is 349 grams or so. I didn't use lead in the hoop because I prefer a very HL balance.

    I would say my flat 1st serve is at least 10-15 mph more than my usual best. Volleys are still very easy with this setup with excellent maneuverability.

    Good luck with your AG 100. It is one sweet looking frame and it plays sweet too!
     
  18. biggsy

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    so i'm thinking excellent....a not too heavy racquet, an open string pattern and a racket that everyone seems to like. i live in the UK and it has now been discontinued!!!!!......the main shop that was doing them said that they are now waiting for the new Dunlop range that come out here in September time.....grrr!!!!:evil:
     
  19. Return_Ace

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    Thanks, + lol :lol:

    I messed up the bottom when applying it... mistook which side it tapered and i started wrapping it upside down... not very nice when you're also stretching it so it's distorted... :(.

    But it turned out useable in the end... at least i'm not OCD about that :D.

    The overgrip however... i nabbed it off of my i.prestige mid xl (because i had to remove it anyways to put a leather on that as well.).... I would have thought i'd be able to use the same one and just reapply it but it came back horribly short.

    Then decided to use it for the AG100... i thought the extended length handle would mean there would be some "spare" as such... no such luck... it even came out short if i didn't properly try to stretch it... =/... think i could have over-stretched it... it's become much thinner (as in less wide) meaning it needs more wraps to go up :?.
     
  20. hoodjem

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    Here's what I wrote earlier this week--
    And again later--
    So--to quote quite a few of you--this morning I "pulled the trigger."

    Can't wait to tweak this baby up (leather grip, lead tape, etc.) to my specs. And start exploring a whole new territory.
     
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  21. Dave M

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    Really?Only just got mine too, ho hum time to look out for discontinued bargains in sept then!!
     
  22. bad_call

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    Rabbit - dang u waste no time. here i've been sitting on the fence waiting to see about the AG 100...and focusing on my latest custom surfboard.
     
  23. Rabbit

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    Well, it was just such fun to play with...and easy too. Serving is a joy, groundies have plenty of everything and at net it is rapier-like.
     
  24. iksmols

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    It is amazing to me how our quests to find the ultimate racquet seem similar.
    I used to play with PS85,then went for K90(played for about a year),came back to PS 85 and now based on Your opinion I have just ordered Aerogel 100 without even demoing.I hope that I will not be disappointed.
     
  25. geesechops

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    I'm sure you wont. And if you are they don't cost that much anyways, which is nice. This racquet is just easy and fun. My friend who has used the N90 for three years wanted to steal mine yesterday after I let him hit with it for a while. He had all the same reactions to it as all the members here. Luckily for him he uses a 4 3/8 grip and can order one. Unfortunately for me, I use a 4 1/4 and a just have the one 4 3/8 and TW wont be getting anymore until October. But, I'm still sticking with the AG100 none the less.
     
  26. jasonbourne

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    geesechops, I don't know your friend with the n90, but I am surprised how he is fickle to switch from his current racket to the AG100. The past couple of evenings under windy conditions and courts with spotted shade (due to sun shining through tree leaves and branches) I realized AG100 lacked plow through for me on slight miss hits. I found myself struggling to handle heavy, fast shots from my opponent. I switched to my K90 for the remainder of our session for more comfort.

    The other night when I enjoyed the AG100 there was no wind, night lights of the court were bright and the courts clean. Hence, this is as close of conditions I get to probably your indoor courts you play on.

    The n90 has far more plow through compared to the AG100 due to its static weight, SW and balance. Out of curiosity, how much and where did you place extra weight on your AG100 to get it perform for your friend with the n90?
     
  27. nn

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    I had problem with nBlade even it was leaded with windy condition. K90 in stock form has no issue. I has enough of lead tape modification since K90 will need no modification ever to play. If you notice Roger uses the stock on with little more weight for clay but close to 360 on hard court. (mine comes to 354 with x-biphase & 350 with wilson sensation + overgrip + dampener)
     
  28. jasonbourne

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    nn, I'm not familiar with nblade. I suspect it lacks plow through. Against the wind or swirly wind conditions I struggled to get the AG100 to hit through the wind.

    In addition to the K90, I tried the POG mid. Both were able to penetrate through the wind to be effective against a hard-hitting baseliner I hit with.
     
  29. Bud

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    Add just a small amount of mass.

    A leather grip and 12-15 grams at 3/9 makes it a perfect stick.
     
  30. geesechops

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    I have lead in the handle, wrapped around the handle above were I grip and at 3 and 9. Actually, I'm not sure why my friend uses the N90 because he likes to hit with allot of spin and whip on his shots so the AG100 is a just a better fit for him anyway. He's not much of a gear nut and really just plays with whatever he's got on hand so I wouldn't read too much into it.


    Well, usually when I play indoors it's with new balls and the court offers a truer bounce so I have no problem hitting clean and generating pace with lighter racquets. I used to play outdoors more on tore up courts that were very slick and I needed allot of weight and low tension. Now that I play more tennis indoors I prefer a lighter stick with more spin potential. Even though I don't plow through the ball as much as with my ProStaff's my hitting partners say my balls are kicking up allot and are harder to handle.
     
  31. geesechops

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    Rabbit,

    What tension and gage are you using with the Pacific Gut? How's it been working out?
     
  32. Rabbit

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    I receive them today. I'll string them up and let you know. The plan right now is for Classic @ 60


    Oh, and 16 gauge at first. I see TW has 17 gauge available in Classic, so I might be spending more of my kid's college fund...
     
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    Damn, I can't wait for mine!
     
  34. geesechops

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    I have one @ 55lbs and it feels REAL tight. I'm going to try out 48lbs this week. Looser tensions really help my one-hander no matter what the racquet.
     
  35. Rabbit

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    I had to restring the demo and did so at 58. I hit a one-hander and preferred looser tensions in the C10. I found 58 to be great in this frame.
     
  36. emmanuel

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    I am using 58 pounds too. Works great.
    I am going to try with 55 pounds later.
     
  37. kekeketennis

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    Well, just got mine, strung with Big Banger @ 52lbs. Added a leather grip. Feels like it needs a bit more stability and could be less head light. From what I gather most people say small amounts at 3-9 o'clock is fine. I want to keep it under or at 355 grams (~12.5 ozs) around 6 points head light. Recommendations on where I should put the lead? Anyone try lead @ 12 o'clock? Sorry kind of new to this customization thing.
     
  38. Rabbit

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    I got mine today. Strung 'em all up at 60 pounds, added a leather grip and voila! They be ready. Weights come in at 345 grams. They swing noticably lighter than my C10s. I am pumped about playing with natural gut in them. (Initially 2 strung with multi, one strung with Prime/PolyForce Orig hybrid). Plan is after deciding tension for sure to go to an all-gut job in two of them and a nice multi in the 3rd.

    I'm now an offical member of the AG100 club. :)
     
  39. iksmols

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    "geesechops"- Have You completely moved from PS 85 to AG 100?because after trying demo yesterday I have second thoughts.It just feels too light for me.I switched in the middle of the first set (loosing 1:3)to my PS 85 and won the match 6:4 ,6:1)I hope that it was the string (high tension and some cheap string).I am expecting my ag 100 to arrive tomorrow strung with topspin cf @50 LB.I will give it a try.
    In case it doesn`t work out for me,can I count on a trade for one of your PS 85?
     
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  40. morten

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    Well, my AG100 honeymoon could be over, that ps85 is simply too sweet to put down. AG100 is good, but nothing special.... I will try tweaking it more with lead .. One racket also had a smaller grip! I ordered two in L3 :(
     
  41. geesechops

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    Lowering the string tension did help me out allot. For now I'm using the AG100 exclusively. I think at my level it just works. I can take the ball earlier, 2nd serves are more reliable, touch shots are even better believe it or not, angle shots are better, having this much spin on tap is a great for all my shots and increases my consistency. Of course I would be more comfortable with my PS85's because I have played with them for years, but only time and practice will give me that kind of comfort with a different stick and so far it's going well.

    lol, I don't know about a trade though. I'll be keeping most of them for my kids down the road.
     
  42. geesechops

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    And that's why I don't really demo, because the string setup is usually crap at best and I can't really get a feel for what a stick can do. I'll just buy one racquet, string it up and play for a week or two and if I'm not into it, sell it on the boards here.
     
  43. Keifers

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    Wow!

    Got my AG100 today. Strung with TNT2 Pro Plus 17L (1.24mm) @ 55 lbs. With a rubberband dampener it weighs 330 grams and is 7 pts HL.

    I decided to try it without any mods at all... Played 3 sets of doubles and boy, was it fun! I was serving like a maniac (only broken once), I hit penetrating groundies, and volleyed with precision.

    My other racquets are in the 350-365 gram range. I couldn't believe the oomph and control I was getting from this 330 gram stick -- remarkable!

    Additional comments:
    Next time around, I'll probably drop the tension to 52 or 53 lbs., for a little more comfort without compromising control. For my game, softer -- not firmer -- strings are the way to go in this frame; nat gut could be magic...

    Compared to the PS 85, the AG100 definitely does not feel as solid on impact. However, the 100 cups the ball in a way the 85 can't match. (Does some of this very noticeable dwell time come from the 100's very thin bridge?)
     
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  44. Return_Ace

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    Damn all of you guys being able to play with yours :|

    Mine's still lying in my room =/

    Tennis Club is far away and on the days i can make it, it's always pouring down wtih rain :cry::cry::cry:
     
  45. iksmols

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    What a trip.From total crap to total gem.This racquet is really string sensitive.I believe the demo was strung with some cheap string @ around 60 lb (at least this is how it felt).Totally different experience today.I do agree with "geesechops".I could serve bombs with this stick and I am ready to declare this racquet as (I can`t believe I am saying this)my favorite serving one.By the way I had it strung with Topspin Cyberflash 16 @ 50 lb.The weight with rubber band and wilson pro overgrip is 11.8 and balance is 6.5 headlight . I am ready to give it an extended tryout.Lower tension and polyester string made all the difference.It just feels like totally different racquet to me.All I can say is : I love it !.Thanks "geesechops"
     
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    Disappointing first hit with my new AG100:

    I bought it based on a good experience with the TW demo, and thinking new string would really help it out. I got it strung with Klip Legend at 54 pounds. I was surprised to find that the racket felt kinda boardy and I was having a much more difficult time finding the sweetspot than with the demo. Also the stability was more of an issue. If I really cut at it without being super set up, I could feel the frame twisting and shots would get away from me. It also didn't seem to feel as light as the demo did.

    Is Klip Gut an overly heavy string? I def. didn't have too much power. I'm thinking perhaps I need to go to a lower tension with a more comfortable string (is this possible, I thought full gut would be real comfortable)? And maybe add some lead at 3 and 9 to make things more stable. My problem is I got this stick to contend with my PT280. I could tell with the demo it was noticeably more manueverable than the PT. If I make it heavier and it begins to come close to the PT280 in weight, what's the point? Why not just stick with the PT (which when I came back to last night, felt like coming home). The one thing I was pleased with was serves. Bombs. I really wasn't serving well (more my fault for being out of practice), but I could tell the potential vs. the PT.
     
  47. geesechops

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    Thanks iksmols. It's good to know someone can benefit from my ramblings. :)

    The racquet can definitely feel boardy even with gut. At 55lbs of VS 16 it had that board feel, but as soon as I went to 50-53lbs all was good.
     
  48. Keifers

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    Of all the nat guts I've used the last few years -- Bab VS, BDE, Bow and Klip -- Klip Legend (16) felt the stiffest. In one case, so stiff it didn't feel like gut to me. :( (I tried a second set at the same tension and got the same result, btw.) If the Klip in your AG100 was pre-stretched before stringing, the problem would have been made worse. (Was it Legend 16 or 17?)

    So that may account for some of the problems you experienced. A boardy stringbed will make the sweetspot feel small and the racquet feel unstable, I'm thinking.

    I resonate with your concern about needing to add a lot of weight to the 100. My usual sticks are around 360 grams and I'm very much hoping that I can add weight to handle and hoop of my 100, but not end up adding so much that it loses some of its inherent advantages.

    Except for my SV, this is the best serving stick I've ever owned and I really want to preserve that characteristic. I'll start modifying mine this weekend.
     
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    I have the thick heavy leather grips from tw on mine and have tried lead in the following spots: 10+2- 4 grams, 3+9- 4 grams then I tried 3 grams in those spots and then 2 grams. No matter what I do I can not make the thing hit decent slice and my ground strokes are stupidly powerful. I can not get over how much of a cannon this thing is. I have it strung with big hitter blue 16g at 61 lbs. I am not really sure what to do with it to make it a little more responsive and controllable. I am thinking about putting on the thinner grips which should help me snap my wrist a little bit more. I think the thick heavy grips are too big and inhibit wrist snap. I just feel like every time I tinker with the weight I fix some problems, but make others worse. I.E. all the lead in the head makes it serve and crush overheads better but return of serve suffers as the thing becomes a real club.

    Any suggestions on how I can fix this thing. I am not really wild about lowering string tension as I think it is really super powered even up at 61lbs. I really like the thing and think it has a ton of potential, but I have hit with my PSL over the last couple of days, beacause the control is just out of this world. I am looking for any advice on how to make the aero 100 a more control oriented frame.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2008
  50. Keifers

    Keifers Legend

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    ^^^

    Do you remember how much weight was added when you replaced the original grip with the tw leather? And how much was the balance changed when you added the lead?

    I'm thinking the lead changed the balance to less head light, which would tend to up the power you get from the frame...
     

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