***Dunlop Aerogel 1hundred (AG100) club***

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  1. rosewall4ever

    rosewall4ever Semi-Pro

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    Adding silicone to their setup??

    The reason this line is popular is its great to customise from the get go.
    Prior to customising i went out to hit with my bio100 in stock form and it felt hollow and unstable. Normally i put 50g around the handle and 20+ at the top hoop. Does anyone puts silicone in their 100's or is it just me? does anyone use foam silicone and not that home depot clear stuff which us difficult to measure. i normally use cured silicone for making moulds allowing me for more better application, and more importantly the better grade silicone imo feel softer and more shock absorbing.
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    ^^^

    I stuffed a few of those long, heavy multi-string vibration dampers inside the handle. I think it probably works just as well as silicone (although I've never tried it) for vibration dampening AND it's reversible since you can always easily take the dampeners back out. :)
     
  3. rosewall4ever

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    i guess i'm the only one who adds silicone for this stick

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    I have no idea how you guys on this thread make it stable...especially on making solid volleys. Ive tried put lead strips around the handle aswell as a leather grip, but they fall short compared to the solid feeling i get adding silicone . Anyway horses for courses i guess...
     
  4. BreakPoint

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    Silicone is too permanent for me. I have commitment-phobia. :wink:
     
  5. netguy

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    I use 10g total (0,35 oz) of lead tape in my sticks. I put some at 10 and 2 and some at the top of the handle just underneath the rubber band. The idea is to keep the original balance. It works for me.
     
  6. CHOcobo

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    Off course it's going to feel allow in stock form compared to your 400g+ AG100. I never played the Bio100 in stock but mines is at 369g and feels great. I just wished they continued the series beyond the F100, which was too low in swing weight to begin with.
     
  7. rosewall4ever

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    My 4d100 is definitely not 400g+ but 365g, but compared to the wilson 90's for me its much more easier to customise the dunlop100 without excessively incresing overall weight to no more than 370g, which is my limit. i just like this series for its low customisable start point..

    I've searched if anyone has used F100 and compared it too the previos iterations but couldn't find any. I was just wondering what it feels like, no doubt i'll probably get one eventually
     
  8. BallstriKer

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    Hey AG100 owners,

    As a Aerogel 4D 100 player myself, I wanted to contribute to this thread and share my experience with that frame. I bought a pair of 4D 100s about 4 years ago, mainly due to the excellent reviews I found on different forums and in this thread in particular. It was a blind buy, as I don't have the access to any demo program in my country, and man, 4 years down the line and this stick is still awesome.

    Now some of you might have bumped into a thread a started a week or two ago, as I'm looking for a new frame - I still am, but incidentally the quest for a new frame made me rethink things a little bit and changed my approach to the game somehow, which actually led me to enjoy my 4D 100 even more :shock:

    4 years ago, I was playing at least twice a week, but it was mostly recreational and I didn't really have any direction I wanted to give my game, except to improve of course (I've been playing tennis for more than 20 years, being currently in my late 20s). The 4D 100 felt nice, and I tried to build my game around it but that was that - it was an awesome stick when I was having a good day, and an average stick when I was off my game lol. About 6 months ago however, I have decided to get serious about my game and play the 1st division national championship of my country which will be held later this year in July. I have trained a lot to improve my game and my fitness. Nowadays, I play between 10 and 12 hours a week, and hit the court as soon as 5 am on weekdays. I play against good players (one is a former national champion and another one a former runner up) and my coach who I practice with once a week is the head of the U12 development section at the federation. He's also my coach since I was 10. Now for some reason, I had it stuck in my mind that I wanted to be a baseline power player, maybe because I play exclusively on clay and because it is what the modern game is about, and because my main opponents are power baseliners. Although I trained very hard, I found that my game was not improving as much as I wanted, compared to that of my opponents, and I started questioning my gear hence the thread I created about searching a 18x20 midsize frame. In my experience, against good players who can hit consistently with a lot of spin and depth, the 4D 100 tends to get pushed around.

    But this past week, something magical happened. Well it was actually a combination of circumstances. I initially set up my 4D 100s reading this thread so it has a leather grip and was strung at low tensions (although when I've started to get serious I have found out that raising the tension to 25 kg mains 27 kg crosses helped my game, at low tension the 4D 100 was WAY too powerful and lively for me). So I was out hitting with a mate, and found that my dampener actually broke so decided to play without one. In addition to that, I was testing a Luxilon overgrip (I usually play with Babolat MyGrip which is thick but I liked it as I tend to sweat a lot). The Luxilon overgrip was TERRIBLE, it literally disintegrated within 15 minutes of playing. So I have decided to play without an overgrip and without a dampener. There, it was an eye-opener if there ever was one. Now the feel, the precision of the 4D 100 was unleashed and wow I'm not exaggerating it was a completely new stick (or maybe it's all in my mind, but wow I really feel like it changed my game). We usually have tight sets with my mate but that day I beat him very handily! The most visible difference was the serve, it really changed the serve! I could hit all my spots and although I always was a big server, I usually averaged around 50% of 1st serves, but now I'm more in the 70s (I don't have precise data but I feel my % improved a lot). Besides I hit many many more aces and unreturnables. 1st serve is huge and placement is awesome. 2nd serve is very good too and gives me many free points and some aces too.

    Groundies, well it plays different, not necessarily as drastically improved as the serve but the 4D 100 feels different in the sense that it makes me want to play with more spin and angles whereas before I would always flatten out my shots and look for depth. Actually, because of my new found serve I'm coming a lot more to the net. My game changed from trading from the baseline to trying to set up an approach shot and coming to the net. It seems to really work very well so far and I'm driving my usual hitting partners totally nuts lol I have discussed with my coach and it's the direction we're going to give my game from now onwards :)

    I really like how I can be very very aggressive yet be very very consistent too. Now the only issue is the 4D 100 in this configuration is giving me some shoulder pain :( But I don't know if it's because I tend to hit a lot more harder or because my shoulder needs to adjust, or a combination of both...

    Well that's that, sorry for the very long a$s post. I'll make sure to keep you guys updated of further development ;)
     
  9. BallstriKer

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    PS: Do any of you guys have any experience with the Yonex Vcore Tour 89 and the Volkl PB10 Mid? Anybody knows how they compare to the AG 4D 100? I'm tempted to buy either one, but I'm not sure it would be a worthwhile investment (are they that much better than the 4D 100 if any at all?).
     
  10. CHOcobo

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    What is your string set up like? Hybrids, multi, sgut? I think 2kg different is too much unless your stringing ngut. I had this arm trouble long ago when I played with my AG100. I immediately felt it after an hour of hitting and soon as I switched it got all much better. The tension difference depends on the material of the string too.

    I wanted to try out the Vcore 89 too but I like my Bio 100 a lot so I don't look forward to it this year.
     
  11. rosewall4ever

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    so im having problems with putting lead on my bio100 because those damn goose bumps driving me insane. im trying to but 12 g at the top of the hoop but the lead literally flies off when hitting.lol. ive never had this problem with my 4d or prostaffs. i even tried double side tape but eventually resorted to putting it under the butcap which was a pain.

    btw has anyone has reviewed the f100 and made comparisons?
     
  12. skraggle

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    Have not tried the V89, but the PB10 mid is a very sweet stick. Too much for me to swing, but loved the flex, plow, and feel. More power than the AG 4D100, softer feel, and precision about the same. The only area where the Dunlop wins is maneuverability (close second to the Volkl VE mid for best volley stick ever for me) and that turned out to be the sticking point.

    But when fresh and hitting well, some of the best forehands and thumpy serves ever for me with the PB10.

    Another stick to look into is the PK Redondo Mid: 18x20, headlight, flexy and great feel.
     
  13. BreakPoint

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    Strange. I've had zero problems with adding lead tape on those goose bumps. Works as well for me as on any other racquet. The lead tape stays exactly where I put it.
     
  14. CHOcobo

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    Clean the area with rubbing alcohol. That should clean the surface really well. I always do this before applying lead.

    You should be loving those "goose bumps" like I am. They help reduce the swing resistance. First I thought we couldn't swing fast enough for us to feel it but I actually do when compared to my 4D and AG 100's. Another reason I love the Bio 100.:)
     
  15. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    And after application rub the lead-tape with a cloth (like an old sock). It polishes up the lead-tape to a silvery sheen, and really adheres it to the surface of the frame.
     
  16. rosewall4ever

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    thanks to hoodjem and CHOcobo about the install...i'll try it out when my new order bio100 arrives... loving the slightly muted feel of the bio100
     
  17. goosala

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    Try using super glue.
     
  18. BreakPoint

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    Yup, I do the same thing but using just a paper towel. I do this whenever I apply lead tape to any frame, regardless of the surface.
     
  19. hoodjem

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    Yup. Whether it is aeroskin or not, rubbing helps it to adhere.
     
  20. CHOcobo

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    Has anyone played with the Kirschbaum Pro Line X on the main before with the 100's?
     
  21. hoodjem

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    Sorry, not X.

    I tried 18g Pro Line II in the mains. Great control and spin (and pretty good feel for a poly, now that I think of it).
     
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  22. netguy

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    I'm just curious Jack.
    How did it go?
     
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    (Sorry BP, I don't mean to argue with your opinion, but your quoted post allows me to state something I consider rather important.)

    I consider the paint job of the AG4D 100 as one of the handsomest and classiest ever: light gold, dark gold highlights on pearlescent black (with white and bluish-silver highlights). IMO it exudes finely-tooled craftsmanship and precision, like a rapier.

    The Bio 100 looks okay, but plain by comparison, IMO.

    This is all my opinion.
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    Different tastes in design I guess.

    I prefer a more modern, minimalistic look. The 4D100 looks like an antique to me, sort of like French Provincial or something. Whereas, the Bio100 (the green/black Euro version) looks very modern to me with a splash of bright eye-catching color. :)
     
  25. hoodjem

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    Yea, I agree. The AG4D 100 looks more ornate, like a Baroque sword. It is certainly not eye-catching in a bright, minimalist, De Stijl way.

    The Bio 100 does look more contemporary.
     
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  26. Winners or Errors

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    That must be why I prefer the 4D100.
     
  27. The Dampener

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    My closet has two lonely 4Ds. I don't know what to do with them.
     
  28. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    Do you prefer the Bio 100?
     
  29. netguy

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    Woow!! Over 300,000 views and counting....
    There is definitely something going on with Dunlop 100 series
    and TW is not even carrying the last iteration in the US
    ????
     
  30. The Dampener

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    HJ, hello. No, I pretty much prefer the 4D line over the Bio line in almost every model I've hit with—which includes the 100s, the 200s, the 200Ts, the 300s, and 300Ts.

    As for my post above? I was trying to be sly, and see if anyone would volunteer to make my 4Ds...unlonely.
     
  31. rst

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    i have spent to much money on other rackets....

    whenever i can find an l5 in these i buy it. its a lightweight version of a prostaff 90. i string at 45lbs with forten sweet17 and use the dunlop tour grip.... a fat spongy grip) with a bit of heat shrink wrap on the but for a flange and leverage. for me, this has created a point and shoot racket. not the most powerful or spinniest, but accutate and fast with enough mass and low tension power to get depth and the best accuracy i have had.

    buttery bh slices and flat deep forehands....the ehad is light enough to get yeehah kick on serve and i cant even kick serve well.

    the bio100 i have has a differnt grip shape (not to my liking) and is too heavy in the hoop. the f100 i read is siupposed to be weighted like the ag4d...im not sure but i hope it isnt the same shape grip as bio100.
     
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    308 isnt really a war hammer...i have usually found the opposite...ok on offense and ahhhhhh on defense
     
  33. Winners or Errors

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    Sad to let this thread die, so I'll add that I recently put the 4D100 back in play. For the person who asked about Proline X, I am using it in mains with Gosen CX Pro in the crosses. I have another racquet with the strings switched, and I definitely prefer Proline X in the mains.

    In many ways, I play better with my other racquets, but not all. My serve is more precise, and I can swing with more abandon off the ground with the 4D100. For some reason, I don't tend to volley well with the racquet, but since I spend a good deal more time on the baseline I haven't found it a handicap.

    Mine are not stock. They have Dunlop leather grips, and I always put a layer of head tape on from 8 to 4, like a capped grommet.

    I vacillate between loving the sticks and thinking others are easier to win with, but none of the bigger sticks have the same feel. At the moment, I'm contemplating buying some Wilson 90s so I can have some 90s around for the foreseeable future.

    It's sad that 90s are going the way of the dinosaur.
     
  34. BreakPoint

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    Very sad indeed. :cry:

    But I think you will always still be able to find them. Just like you can still find wood racquets even today. :)
     

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