Dunlop Aerogel 200 or 300. What to choose?

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  1. VikingSamurai

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    Hi guys.. in recent times, I have heard some great things about the new Dunlop Aerogel frames..

    Those who know me, know that I was always a lover of heavy players frames, and have used mostly Wilsons and even the Puma sticks at some stage, but in the last year, changed over to the Prince o3 95 MS.. It is at this time, that for me the honeymoon is over for these frames and I really feel kind of so so when hitting with them..

    Here is my delema.. Like most people, I am not able to demo racquets, and so I will usually buy frames, and if I dont like them, trade them or sell them off later.. In saying that, I have been doing alot of reading on the Aerogel frames, and like what I have seen..

    I personally like the looks of the specs of the Aerogel 200, but I am again thinking as a person that is still 16 and hitting the ball like I used to, and playing 8 hours a day.. The reality is, that I am now 33, a little older, a little chunkier, a little slower, and only play on occassion. So this is why I am leaning more toward the Aerogel 300.. The problem is, that even at 95", the Prince o3 was a big step for me as far as head sizes go. But I am kinda dreading the idea of going up to 98".. (Its a boy thing!)

    Any thought on guys around my age that use these sticks would be great.. Or even if you are of any age, and love them.. I guess all thoughts are appreciated..
     
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    Honestly, if you do want to suck up your pride and go to the 300 (lol), go to the M-fil 300 or 200. Both are cheaper (in price only) but their playability far exceeds that of the Aerogels, IMO. The Aerogels felt too Babolat like, IMO, and I am not a Babolat liker to put it lightly (the Pure Drive screwed up my shoulder, now it's fine with my trusty Dunlop M-fil 200). If you get the 200, I would suggest putting some weight at 3 & 9, as the 200 really doesn't do too well with topspin, but it becomes the most solid spin doctor out there with it. Hope this helps!
     
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    Thanks Jonny.. I have looked at the M-fil sticks, and after reading a few reviews, just get the feeling that the feel of the Aerogel frame would be more to my liking?.. In saying that, I have heard great things about the M-fils, and at the price they are, are hard to go past. But something is saying to me that I would be more suited to the AG frame instead.. Also, I like the asthetics of the new AG frames..

    ps: Is the AG200 a heavy feeling frame at 11.9oz?, and how does it compare to the 300?

    The reason I ask is that I think I am looking at the 300 because of the less weight difference, and am looking for a racquet that is easier to swing, and will take up the slack of my power and generate it without too much trouble for me.. I am a hard flat hitter, but as I said earlier, not 16 anymore, so I am looking for a frame with a little more power and manuverability that allowes me to just swing through and not belt the ball like I used to.. The o3's gave me this at first, but they all but have no feel to them...
     
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    Chris,
    If you're talking about the 18x20 Aerogel 200, I found it to swing like a log and actually felt the Mfi-200 (95sq) was easier to manage. The Aerogel does give you a lot of power (via weight) and has a nice feel (much more comfortable than the Mfil) but it is an exceptionally hefty racquet and at only 6pts HL, it is far less capable the closer you get to net (unlike the similarly hefty Wilson 6.1 series - 10pts HL makes 330+ swingweight easier to manage). As for adding weight at 3 & 9 (making it less head light and harder to swing fast), I'm sure that'd really help to increase spin LOL.
     
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    Andrew thanks mate.. I think in a long winded kind of way, I am trying to say that I am looking to get away from the heavier frames, and so that is why I have been looking at the AG300.. I understand that the 200 compared to the old player frames is light in comparison, but still a hefty stick. But the 300 seems to be around what I am looking at.. The 200 does come across as a hefty type of frame (even though normally , I wouldnt think so) and so the 300 is just calling to me..I also like the flexability at 61 also.. I guess I am looking for something light, but have the playability of a player frame.. Although the swing is free on my o3's, I am starting to want something around the 11oz mark.. I know it sounds stupid, but the painjob is kinda turning me off the M-fils at the moment, and the AG300 is quite pleasing to the eye.. Some people might think that is silly, but certain paintjobs put me off..
     
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    Yeah, i play M-fil 300s. got them for a great deal at sports authority on closeout. I was going to get one aerogel. i got 3 m-fil 300s for the same price! Plus , i can't tell you how much I love playing with it! I demoed the AG300 but really like the stiffness and weight/feel of the m-fils. I'm sticking with them!
     
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    Chris,

    I wouldn't count on the Aerogel 300 actually deserving a 61 for stiffness: expect something closer to a 63-64 (hola-bird rates it at 63, as does the USRSA). I find TW to be very poor these days when it comes to flex and swingweight so, if those two ingredients are important to you, I suggest checking the USRSA site or cross-checking with other retailers.

    Personally, I'm in the market for something to replace my Volkl t10mp Gen2 and will be giving the Aerogel 300 a try at some stage. I want to retain the flex of the Volkl (about a 61/62 rating) for groundstrokes but get a little (very little) more pop on serve. So, on my 'to try' list I also have the Head Flexpoint Radical Tour MP, Head Microgel Radical Pro MP (and OS) and Prince Diablo MP. All offer good flex of 63 or less, lower swingweight and are under 12oz (not such a big deal to me). Have you tried them?
     
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    Gee you know as a long term Dunloper I really reckon 200s and 300s are different beasts. Am unusre what to put it down to. I think a major difference is stringbed density - the 18x20 versus the 16x19.

    I know you want lower swingweight, and a lighter match weight, so did I as i got older and didn't go to gym as much.

    I just don't think you can think of these models as somehow interchangeable. They have very different play characteristics. What about an AG200 with the 16x19 stringbed and lighter overall weight (if u can get hold of one!).

    If you like control racquets then you have to stiock with 18x20...
     
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    Andrew, I actually have 2 diablo ms 93".. I like them, but just looking for something else.. Anyone want the diablo's?

    Anyways, I appreciate your help, it has been great to hear other thoughts regarding this subject.. I am still leaning toward that AG300..

    bertrevert: What frame are you talking about as a lighter AG200?.. Is there a lighter version?.. Interested in knowing more.. Back to your other coment.. No one is looking to interchange the 200 and 300. I am just trying to work out which of the two will suit me more..

    ps: I am also restricted to buying from TW, for various reasons.. One, my wife has told me that before I buy any new frames, I must first clean out what I already have.. 2, I find prices in the US to be the cheapest, and 3, I would prefer doing a trade, or even buy privately or through TW using paypal..
     
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    i don't like dunlops
     
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    Out of the two, I'd go with the 200. I've hit with the AG300 briefly and it felt very hollow. After every hit there as a certain vibration to it that just didn't feel like a nice solid stick. I hope the mass in the 200 would address this feel.
     
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    Interesting, and well noted..
     
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    I just read RedFlea's thread about the AG300 he got earlier in the year, and it has swayed me toward the AG300..
     
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    Chris, why not demo them. This might not be much help but I played with an mfil 200 18x20 and its solid as a rock. Great for baseline bashing and handles just as well at the net. The sweet spot howver is small and is geared more towards flat ballers. With some lead at the 3 and 9 o clock position and some counter weight in the butt..there is nothing like it. I would think that the AG200 is not that much different. I have one (AG200) in brand new condition if you want. But honestly, from your description :
    "The reality is, that I am now 33, a little older, a little chunkier, a little slower, and only play on occassion. So this is why I am leaning more toward the Aerogel 300" ...It seems like the 300 series (weather it be the AG or MFIL , I havent played with them) will be more apprioate for you. But, IMO, if you can handle it, the Dunlop 200 series is the way to go. Hope this helps.
    What is your playing style?
     
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    Thanks cukoo. I was a junior tournament player back in the day, and used Puma frames, and then finally settling on a Wilson Pro Select (grey cousin to the ProStaff) with a brief stint with the Prince Graphite Pro series 90... So I have basically used heavy player frames my whole life.. I am an old S&V with all court game that hits flat and hard.. The fact that I am not 16 anymore, and I dont play 8 hours a day anymore, I know that its silly to continue with heavy player frames..Thats why I am looking at something that is a little lighter, and can be added to later if need be, that will take up the slack with power, and I don't have to do as much work.. As for demo'ing, I dont have that luxury here in Japan.. Thanks for suggesting it though.. I wished I could..
     
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    Yes there is, there's a 16x19 version of the AG 200 and it's 10 grams lighter and lighter in sw. Great stick.

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    For more pictures check this thread out
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=93575&page=32
     
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    Thanks for the pics.. But I am thinking the 300 is the way to go, and if weight is needed later, then I have the option to ad on...
     
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    here i was thinking you were 50 but you're only 33!!

    live life a little, enjoy yourself and get both!
    that is the only way you'll truly know

    buy em both used, keep the headguard clean, resell em and you practically demo'd em for free!
     
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    Ha ha ha, I normally just do that. And if the truth be known, I am not restricted by finances. But you must understand that I have a house full of frames both new and used, and my wife doesn't see the love of a sport, and a collection. Rather she see's wasted money..

    And so on this occasion, she has made it clear that I get rid of a few before I get anymore, and so I am in the process of that at the moment as you will note with the amount of stuff I am hording on the For Sale Forum.. And so instead of getting both, I have decided to really have a good think about it, and just go with what I feel would suit me better, and at the moment, it is the 300..
     
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    IMO the Dunlop AG 200 was one of the lighter feeling frames I demoed out. The K6.1 clearly had more heft, and even the similar weighted Microgel Extreme Pro felt heavier.

    I would confidently say you can handle it. Anyway, it's a super frame. If I was playing on hardcourt more I would have definitely got them.
     
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    Chris,

    I meant the Diablo MP (lower swingweight, lighter and more flex than the Mid).

    Have you looked into prices here in Australia? I see the Aerogel going for $220-$240 and it might prove cheaper if you could get a family member to send it to Japan.

    Duzza,

    LOL, sounds like you've got a bad case of plumber's (cement) hands because, even in relation to the Wilson and Head the AG200 is an obviously sluggish and hefty frame.
     
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    Thanks Duzza.. I have no problem with thinking that I could handle it.. In fact that is more of a turn on for me, as I am the old stick kind of guy.. But times change, and well, I just need a frame that is a little less effortless, or should I say, a little bit more performance enhancing and allowes me to not rely on my own effort in order to get a good result.. So thats why I am looking for something a little lighter and a little more powerfull!
     
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    I did Andrew, but as I will probably pay by paypal, I will stick with TW.. I will say I saw that price at TW Australia, and it is a good price.. Usually frames in Australia have a high mark up on them..
     
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    bummer, looks like the wifey got ya this time :sad:

    but i'm not gonna sit here and let you tell yourself you're getting old and slow!
    stick with the 200. yea sure maybe you're a bit older and lost a step or two, but i sure bet as hell you've still got that fire from 17 years ago. i think in your heart you truly want the 200, but you are desperately trying to rationalize the 300 for your game. you have to follow your heart! you're only 33, its only a matter of time til you get your strokes back, and with some brains, your shotmaking may become even better. buying the 300 will be giving up on the great player you once were. find your brimming pride once again! relight that dimming fire! tell your wife you bought the 200 and tell her its one of the hardest rackets to use on the market--that'll make her proud.
     
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    Chris -- I am a little older than you and don't play as much as I would like. I have tried a lot of rackets recently -- PDR, APD, Yonex 003 etc -- thinking that a bigger head would help my serve and forehand. And they do to some extent make playing the game easier. But there is a trade-off for this playability.

    Anyway, I picked up the AG200 on a whim and haven't looked back. I am sure it's not for everyone and I know that Andrew D recently tried it and didn't like it. But for me it has comfort, power and precision. I don't have a problem hitting spin from the string pattern, it is as playable at the net and in the frontcourt as at the baseline, and it can hit monstrous groundstrokes. (I have alu power crosses and gut mains and the performance with this set up by comparison with the all NRG2 set up that I have tried is amazing. Outstanding bite/spin, power and control.) Volleying and serving are easy.

    So obviously the racket suits me and my game, and I am reasonably fit at the moment, so the heft isn't a problem. But there is a lot less heft here than in the Wilson PS/N/K 95, and a lot more feel. I think that the AG200 is one of the new style of player's rackets that has been adapted to the modern game.

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    Thanks mate, I really enjoyed that post.. I got a good laugh out of it!.. As for my wife.. You just don't know her very well.. But don't worry, it wouldn't be the first time I have used that excuse, believe me!

    Crosscourt: Also thank you.. I started this thread not really expecting to get much feedback, as there really hasn't been a lot of talk about the Dunlop's compared to other brands.. I appreciate your candor, and all you and VS have done is made me more confused as I am trying to give myself reasons not to go with the 200 even though I would normally levitate toward it.. I think after my o3 experiment, I don't want to just be beating the dead horse, and feel I should look at other options..
     
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    Well Chris, I would also say that the AG200 is the most effortless frame I have tried in a while (Pure Control, Microgel Extreme Pro, k6.1, Pure Drive, RDX 500, POG, PS 85).
     
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    Im not sure if you can get them in the US but there is a Aerogel 300 16*18 which is 320 grams strung...I have one....its more stable than the regular 300 and is better at net. Here are the specs:

    Head Size: 98 sq in
    Unstrung Weight: 305g
    Strung Weight: 320g
    Balance: 320mm
    Beam Width: 21mm
    String Pattern: 16 x 18


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    Hi Chris,

    I'm about your age and recently tried my friend's AG300 for a few rallies - I found it very light and overpowered - I think for someone who has played good level tennis, you might find it too much of a "tweener" racket even if you are (a bit) older and not playing as often - I would go for the 200 - I imagine a little less power with better weight, feel and control
     
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    Ok, I put this to you guys.. How about I get the AG 300 and ad some weight to it.. What would you suggest.. I am even becoming comfortable with the idea of a 98 inch head size also, and in all honesty it is starting to appeal to me..

    I know you mean well with the AG 200 suggestions, but after the o3 Tour ms, I just don't want to go there again, and feel that something around 11oz is the way to go, and to then build on it...But that doesnt mean I have written off the 200 yet though!... aaaahhhhh why oh why is it so hard!
     
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    Get one of each? :D
     
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    I appreciate that mate.. But I am just the every day player now days, and don't get into the serious stuff anymore.. I really would like to go with the 200 as it is as I have stated the kind of frame I would levitate to in a line.. (Actually the Aerogel 100) would be what I would have normally gone for, but fact are facts, and so I think its time to move on, and go with the easier option.. Geez I sound like an old whiner , but I am tired of the hell that is modern tennis racquets..
     
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    It surely is tempting Duzza!......
     
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    Tried that one and much preferred the 16x19 AG 200. At around 8-10 grams heavier (327-330 g strung) it is just as easy to swing but in my experience much more stable and with more of a "thuddy", solid feel to it instead of the more "hollow" feel of the 300.
     
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    I have read a good review of the Aerogel 500 Tour! ha ha ha.. And even TW is placing it as a frame for 4.5 + players!... But a little stiff for my liking..
     
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    Here is another curly one.. I love the feel of the Grip 3 on the Prince o3 Tour ms.. So who can compare Grip 3 on the Dunlop AG frames?.. Is there much difference?..
     
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    I personally thought that 4 3/8's was pretty big on Dunlops. But you wouldn't want to go down to a 4 1/4 just to compare to the 4 3/8 Prince. Stick with a Grip 3 I say.
     
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    Nick- I will be grateful if you could give some inputs as to how the Aerogel 300 16*18 plays in terms of control, maneuverability, serves, groundies, topspin, etc.. I am keen on buying this racquet but don't have a demo. It is quite expensive to buy without having any feedback about this racquet.

    Thanks.

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    I support Duzza
     
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    chrisinjapan,
    I can relate to what you're saying, as I was considering both of these frames after I foolishly sold my LM Radical MPs (I had decided to quit tennis...but ended up coming back in around two months :p). So, I demoed them both along with others. I'm not quite as old as you (only 16), but I'm not exactly the strongest tennis player ever either. Of course I'm heavily biased as I like denser string patterns, but I can tell you what I got from my experiences.

    Regarding Dunlop stiffnesses, my AG200s both say 63 on them as opposed to TW's proposed 61, but a difference of 2 RA isn't all that much. The AG200 also feels incredibly light for 11.9 oz, most likely due to its 8 pt headlightness and so I agree with Duzza that it's pretty easy to use. On the other hand, the older players (30ish+) that have used my frames before have stated that they swing like logs. Meh.

    I disagree with Duzza that Dunlop 3/8s feel bigger than Prince 3/8s though. Maybe its the shape, maybe I'm just crazy.

    Anyway, not much of a comparison, but I thought that the 300 was more powerful and less stable. And 3si isn't all that noticeable...so don't let headsize sway you too much. This is all a preference of string patterns IMO.

    As a final note, perhaps you could try the M-fil 200 16x19? Seems like a hybrid of the two you are considering. Lighter than the AG200, has an open string pattern, a 97si head, 7 pt hl, 64 stiffness.
     
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    Thanks Azrael, good head on your shoulders for 16.. In fact, I gotta give a big thank you to everyone that has posted.. Its so nice to get a thread without it being taken over by trolls that want to horde their particular taste for a brand other than the one you want to talk about.. Everyone has stuck to talking about the Dunlop frames, and have given a great deal of help.. I have enjoyed this thread greatly..
     
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    Ok, here is where I am at.. I still havn't written off the AG 200.. But I need to know from anyone that has demo'd both.. Is the 1oz difference a big difference?..

    What I am trying to say is, that although my heart is saying go with the AG200, I am thinking that, as its about at the extreme max that I want to go in weight. Then I don't have much experiment room.. And if I do start adding weight, then I am entering myself back into the hefty player frame weights again, and that is what I am trying to avoid..

    Where as with the AG300 I can add on as I like and go from there, and can still keep myself under or just on to the 12oz mark.... I also don't see too much difference in head size going from the 95" to the 98" either, so that is now not really an issue for me anymore also....
     
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    Look, if you're worried that the AG 200 is too heavy and AG 300 is too light, why don't you just get the AG 200 16x19 which is smack in the middle, plus it has the 95" head that you want.
     
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    Actually, I have decided that I will get both and then decide which of the two I like. The one I don't want, I will trade it or sell it someone that likes that frame..:)
     
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  46. crosscourt

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    That would be my approach.
     
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  47. Redflea

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    Oh man that hurts...

    30ish+ = older!?! You are going to SO take back those words in a decade or so... ;)
     
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  48. frekcles

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    Chris,

    I've tried both. The AG200 is very solid. If you're used to playing with heavy racquets then you'll have no problems using this. The AG300 on the other hand is a bit lighter but also very solid. Not as solid feeling as the AG200. You'll miss that "thump" that the AG200 has when hitting balls. Again if you're used to heavy(ier) racquets this might throw you off for a while until you get used to the weight. Either way both are excellent racquets and you can't go wrong with either one.
     
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  49. VS_Power

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    good decision Chris :p
     
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  50. VikingSamurai

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    Thanks guys, I want to say thank you to all of you. You have been great in helping me with this dilema.. In saying that, I have enjoyed everyones opinion regarding these frames, and would hate to see this thread die, as I have enjoyed the good read..

    I dont usually get excited about racquets, as for me, it is an instrument to play a sport. but these Aerogels have had me a little ga-ga and must say that I have been excited about getting my hands on a few of them. I also think that they are the nicest stick I have seen to the eye in a long time also!
     
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