Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Keifers, Jun 9, 2011.
What strings and tensions have you tried? What mods have you made?
How did they work out?
I switched to the BM200 last week, and I'm really liking to play with this stick!
You can see my current string setup in my sig, but I'll actually change the SPPP for SPPP Pure. The rest will remain the same.
Also, no lead tape for now. I'm thinking of getting some nice leather grips and that will probably be the only mod.
Thanks, dadozen. How's the spin potential with that setup? And comfort?
Let us know when you've added the leather grip(s).
Anyone else playing the Bio 200??
Spin is easily achieved with this setup, it seems to have a low coefficient of friction, which helps a lot. Also, the low stiffness also help on that filed, letting mt swing the racquet freely without having to worry about power.
It's pretty comfortable as well, but I know for a fact that there are more comfortable setups out there. But it's not a problem, since I'm using low tensions and they don't feel harsh or stiff.
I've just added a TW leather grip I was using on my old 4D100s, let's see how it plays today. Still undecided on which base grip to use.
I've only tried it with some random syn guts, plays nice and cushy, tho doesn't last very long. Thinking about trying gut as poly has been a nono for my arm, well a tleast when it goes dead and i can't be bothered restringing that often. Spin is accessible but the string i'm using aren't exactly conducive to spin, rather i think it's the flexy throat thats allowing for the great spin. Slice's are just throwing everyone off because of the bite. Still finding it odd a bit on first serves, not sure why, think it's the flex which seems to work for everything but the first serve, at least for me. I'll let you know how the full gut goes.
Thanks. You're using thin gauges and low tensions -- very interesting. I'm hesitant to use full poly for arm reasons, but the spin potential is very tempting.
How did the leather grip work out for you?
Thanks. Yes I think the flex in the throat has a lot to do with it.
What tensions have you been using?
I only have an overgrip and a dampener. I am using HEAD sonic pro at 55lb but only because I ran out of the wonderful Dunlop Black Widow and you can't buy it in Australia. (dunlop are getting me another reel)
Love the racquet with this set up, huge spin off both sides and plow through of doom. I have not had the depth issues reported by Spencer in the TW review but I think I probably swing quite a bit harder than he does. (no offence) My game is more like Chris' anyway. (old fart 5.0!)
Small disclaimer, I am sponsored by Dunlop.
For tension between 55-60 and always 16g, plays perfect for me within that range tho I always use racquets within recommended tension if I'm not using full poly. For me it never made sense to string too far out of the rec tension, if you're stringing way out of the recommended tension usually think your not using the right frame for your game or skill level. Though i guess that only holds true if the frame is stock.
And about the flex imparting the spin the main reason i think its the flex is because I'm not feeling much bite from the bed itself but still getting a lot of spin and i've never experienced that before.
Thanks. I haven't tried Black Widow -- is it one of the softer co-polys? Do you string it at 55, too?
Yeah, the demo B200 I hit with was strung with full Dunlop Silk 16, a nice multi with pop and comfort, but didn't exactly bite the ball. So I attributed the spin to the frame as well.
yes, Black Widow is a soft poly very similar to Sonic Pro.
I can't wait to get mine strung and out on the court!
I've only tried my base setup of Red Code 17g/X1-Biphase 17g @55/59 so far and I'm liking it! I've played this setup on my Aerogel 200, my Aerogel 4D and my MW200G and this still my favorite setup across all of them(give or take a couple pounds for the weather). Been bombing first serves with the BM200, just like the old days with the MW200G. Now if I could only get my legs to go back in time as well.
Keifers, I tried the TW 1.3 leather grip I had on my 4D100s( and which I had already given up using ) but I'm now converted to regular syn. grips under a nice Gamma Dermagrip.
Can't stand all that harshness anymore
Lol re the legs..
I'm curious... why do you have the crosses 4 lbs higher? Just with this hybrid or have you always like the crosses higher (i.e., with other strings as well)?
Thanks for the update, dadozen. The 1.3 is pretty thin alright. I haven't tried Dermagrip -- why do you like it?
Keifers, I like Dermagrip because I need tacky and thin overgrips. I don't sweat and I need meximum feel, and it fits the bill perfectly. It's not good for heavy sweaters though.
Keifers, for all of my hybrid experiments I've used lower tension on the polyester compared to the multifilament, regardless of whether the poly is in the main or in the cross. Not only do the manufacturers recommend it, but also because polyester has more bending stiffness than the multifilament. For most strings (multi, synthetic, gut), the bending stiffness is negligible and most of the restoring force when the string is deflected comes from the tension. Polyester is different. You can see this if you hold one end of 10" section of poly compared to 10" of multi; poly supports it's own weight and doesn't deflect while the multi is unable to support it's own weight.
Trying to find Dunlop 200 series rackets that have a similar characteristic like the Muscle Weave 200G.
First demo was the 4D200 tour. This racket is not even close to MW 200G or better than the 4D100. It has a hollow and flimsy feel at impact.
The local shop in my area did not have the Bio200 or the 4D200
"Hollow and flimsy"?? The 4D 200 Tour??? You must be kidding...!
Sorry, I need to describe it in more details. What I meant was a tad hollow and flimsy in comparison to the 4D100 and MW 200G.
BTW, my 4D100 had been modified with leather grip and 5g of lead total @ 3&9 in the hoop. The MW 200G is still in stock form.
I will play with these 3 rackets (MW 200G, 4D200 Tour, 4D100) for 1 week to compare.
Thanks. I was surprised by the 4 lb difference (more than most seem to vary the mains and crosses, I think) but your reasoning makes perfect sense.
Btw, the last strings I put in my MW200G were NRG2 18 @ 58. Must get that racquet out for a hit soon.
KLE, I've never played with the MW200G, but from the specs, I assume that the BM200 should play very similarly. Low flex and similar SW. The SW of the 4D200 and AG200 is much higher.
Let us know how it goes.
Keifers, is your MW200G paint job at the throat looks like mine or DennisK's one? The lettering ' Muscle Weave' in mine went from hoop to butt and the other one is in reverse direction. See pix below:
I'll have to check, but from memory, I think mine is more like DennisK's. For sure, mine doesn't have the boxed text graphic inside the throat that yours does.
Lower SW will give us more solid impact?
4D200 T: 352
Is mine a fake one or just a different version of a PJ ?
The MW200Gs came in different pjs. Some of them had "Dunlop" and "Midplus" at 12 o'clock, for instance.
Mine at 12 o'clock:
and My butt cap is a piece of aluminum:
BIO 200 Stiffness?
Asking TW ...
The stiffness of the Bio 200 listed in TW US website as 57, but for Europe listed as 62. Which number is the correct one?
The US web site lists 57 as the Bio 200's stiffness, not 52. But there's still a discrepancy with the Europe site.
Dunlop gives the new 200's stiffness as 62, so I'm wondering if that's why TW Europe lists it as 62.
I would tend to agree with 57. The Bio 200 is definitely more flexible than the 4D 200, imo.
Thx for pointing out my typo. I will correct it.
Keifers ... did you have a chance to compare yr MW 200G PJ with mine yet?
No worries. I'm thinking it might be best for you to email your question to TW at info@t....... with your question. They may not see your question here.
Not yet, sorry. It's in my storage unit.
It definitely feels more like 57 than 62.
This is what I got from TW:
Thank you very much for the e-mailed inquiries in regards to some details on why there is a difference between the flex rating listed on the US Tennis Warehouse website, and the European site. Hopefully the information that we can provide is of assistance to you.
This will require a little investigation, as we take a half dozen of the same frames, same grip size, string/ tension to derive the average, which is then listed on our site, and passed on to the European affiliate. Why there is a difference is beyond me, and we will have to find out.
When strings are applied to a frame, the flex rating does come down a few points (1-3 points down), but not usually by that much. It is a very flexible frame, but that is not really fair to have such a gap in the description with no explanation. I talked to the individuals in the review room, and they were a bit perplexed; enough to inquire to TW Europe. When I get the answer, I will offer up some details in a future e-mail.
I really appreciate the inquiries and if there are any further questions, please send another e-mail and I will be happy to respond.
Quality Control Supervisor
USRSA Master Racquet Technician
On-Line Service Representative
Toll Free # 800 883 6647
^^^ That's a very courteous response from TW Customer Service. Hopefully, he can find out why there is a difference between the two sites.
Looking again at the TW Europe site, I saw that they list the Bio 200's balance as 320mm (which is approx. 7 pts HL). That's the same strung balance that Dunlop gives. Also, the TW Europe site does not give a sw number -- and neither does Dunlop. Hmmm.....
1. TW Europe does have a sw of 322 for Bio200.
2. 320mm is 12.59 in ... so it is in between 6 & 7 pt HL
The minute my BM 200s came in, I weighed and matched them right down to the balance. All three are, 4 1/2 grip-size, as well as 12.7 oz and 9 pts headlight, with TW label leather and a single Tournagrip. Still debating on Isospeed Baseline 17L or Black Widow 17g, but I like the tension 58 lbs the most on both of them.
Post some pic, please. Love to see a pix of 3 rackets side by side.
58lbs with a full poly?
I am pretty happy with 55 for mine with either BW 17 or HEAD sonic pro (the BW is hard to get here)
Did you have a hit with the Silk they came with? I did, but not for long and I don't like multis much anyway so it wasn't fair.
Yeah, 58 lbs, I usually break it with 5-6 hours of good hitting. Mine came unstrung, since I got a player's-package with them.
Interesting.... When I looked at TWE yesterday morning, there was no sw listed. Looks like the 322 figure was added after that.
By my calculations, 320mm is 7.2 pts HL. ((13.5 - 12.59) x 8 = 7.2)
Interesting, yeah, Dunlop gave me mine but I think they were stock from the local shop cause they all had prestrung Silk in 'em!
Timbo and Jony, I just got two new BM200s, one with Silk 17 @ 62 lbs, the other with Black Widow 17 @ 58 lbs. My initial preference is for the Black Widow. The Silk 17 offers a great combination of spin and pop, but the Black Widow does that while also making the most wonderful sound in the BM200. When I connect on the ball it sounds like a handgun going off. It fills my heart with ceaseless joy.
I'm just getting adjusted to these new frames and strings. Do either of you have longer-term results you could share?
Having re-demoed Big Hitter Blue, Barbwire, Pro Line II, Adrenaline, and RPM Blast in my Biomimetics, I still prefer Black Widow to all of them at 58 lbs. I plan to borrow my old Aerogel 200s and string both up with Cyberflash 17g at 58 lbs (my long time set-up) and see how they compare.
Long term, I've found that the Biomimetic's are lower powered than all of the other 200 series racquets I've used, but they're also the comfiest (word?).
the honeymoon appears neverending for me with these racquets.
Head sonic pro @ 55lbs at teh moment but a new reel of BW is in the cupboard ready.
agree about the sound!! Awesome, isn't it??
Guys, i really enjoy my Bio 200s but there's always something feeling wrong and weird with the grip. I kept re-wrapping it thinking it was my bad, an installation error but i came to a shocking conclusion tonight after receiving a second one: the Biomimetic has a smaller, different buttcap than my Aerogels and M-Fils which fit my hand like a glove. Has any ex-AG players also noticed this?
If you use a thick, cushioning type of grip with an overgrip, you may not notice this at all. It bugs me because i've been using a firm and thin grip (Bab skin feel) wrapped very tightly around the handle on all my frames. The subtle difference really annoys me; do you think i could get a hold of some old Dunlop buttcaps to install on my Biomimetics?
If any of you guys ever remove your grips, could you do me a favor and compare the buttcap with an Aerogel or M-Fil one? I swear i'm not crazy :shock:
Just order some aerogel butt caps and install them. It is easy enough.
Thanks, Johnny and Timbo, for your input. In my previous frame I developed a great hypbrid of BHBR 17g mains with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g crosses. I may give that a try but it looks to me that the Bio200 prefers a single-string setup.
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