dunlop biomimetic 300 tour club

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  1. tom4ny

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    after play testing the dunlop bio 300t for four months i am fully committing to this beautiful frame. it is very precise and with some lead tape in the upper hoop running from 11:00-1:00, it is very solid off of both wings for me. the power level and control are perfect for my 4.5 aggressive all court game. my reference string is isopeed control and i have it strung in the bio 300t at 55/52. i can play for hours and this set up is very comfortable. am testing tf x-one biphase and kirshbaum proline II also at 55/52. i like a 17g in this frame.

    in looking to upgrade from my kneissl red star i was looking for the same kind of control but a little less power and more solid. i tried the yt radical, wilson blade blx, solinco pro 8, technifibre tfight 305, volkl pb 9 and x10-295, the regular dunlop bio 300, and the prince rebel 98. all nice frames with +/-. i kept coming back to this frame because overall i play best with it and it has the right feel for me. my coach is sponsored by prince and pushing the rebel 98. it comes in a close second then i like the technifibre tfight 305 and volkl pb9.

    i plan to play with the dunlop bio 300 tour for a number of years. cased closed and happy :)
     
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  2. RNBABOLAT

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    Im in, love the frame and is in stock form and in the 5.0 I play is always really control oriented even better than my pure storm at 62 lbs and in the bio I play at 56 in the mains and 58 in the crosses love the frame and be my racquet unti I find something better but will be really hard
     
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  3. tom4ny

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    welcome to the club! i certainly could play with it in stock form and it would be fine. it was when i was playing defensively or returning hard serves/shots that i wanted a little more 'oomph' at the upper 3rd of the string bed. it is stable without the lead but i get a bit more power off the top of the frame now if i need it. pnuemated1 (on these boards) suggested lead running the top of the hoop which accomplished what i was looking for without impacting it's whippiness.

    i tried all of the control oriented frames out there over the past year or 2 and kept coming back to the dunlop bio 300t because it just overall did everything a little better for me and i love the firm but soft feel. in my opinion it is the best light weight player's frame out there right now.
     
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  4. tom4ny

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    currently trying out kirshbaum pro line II 17g and really love the performance and how well i played last night. next up is prince premier attack which i am excited to try in this frame as well as isospeed professional classic.

    i love the angles that i can get with the dunlop bio 300t. cross court and inside out is just dynamite.

    currently staying at 55/52 which is working well but have replaced the gecko grip with head hydrosorb synthetic. 3 grams of lead across the top of the hoop from 11:00-1:00 and i am all set here. i am now hooked on this frame and lovin it :)
     
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  5. westpac690

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    Oh heck yeah I'm in! I renounce my membership card to the Pure Drive club! I made the switch about 4 months ago. My 300T came in at 11.7 oz's and loved it. No mods needed.
    Babolat VS strung at 58 lbs, and I am finally in tennis Nirvana after a 2.5 year search. It's a control racquet, but man does it feel effortless from all areas of the court.
     
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    Great frame but lacks stability, plow-through and power. Of course that can be fixed with lead tape. In fact my vantage 95 is quite similar but it is pretty much better in every category.
     
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  7. tom4ny

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    we can agree to disagree but this frame is solid and stable and the power level is low/medium which is where i prefer it to be. it is a lighter weight players frame. the balance is pretty head light in stock form given the weight and therefore if you are returning a hard serve or passing shot and strike the ball near the top of the frame and off center you could get some twisting but no wobble in this frame. a little lead tape in the upper hoop solves this.

    welcome to the club westpac690! :)
     
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  8. westpac690

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    Well I can certainly agree with this! :)
    I can see how someone who has used nothing but thicker framed or Pure Drive type racquets would say it's not as stable or powerful. But to each his own. My one handed backhand and slice hasn't looked this good or has been as big a weapon as it is since I switched, in forever.
     
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  9. tom4ny

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    awesome! my backhand also improved with my switch to the bio 300t and all around my game is better. and serves are huge with this frame!! as noted in the other thread they are now coming out with the bio max 200 and people are very excited. i know that i will have to try that frame out but will stick with the this stick because it compliments my game style so perfectly.

    i also agree with you that apples to oranges comparisons are not legitimate whether it's a pure drive or a vantage tweener.

    silver and red is where it's at for those that have the game to bring it :cool:
     
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  10. Automatix

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    I loved my Red Stars but I never could get my BH to cooperate with them.

    Also the Red Stars were really picky when it came to strings. They played absolutely marvelous with a 1,10mm kevlar-nylon composite (Toalson Ultimate 110 Power) string but the power was a bit too much to handle sometimes. I strung them as high as 27,5kp.

    I've strung my 300 Tours with the very same string but at 24kps... we'll see how it goes.
     
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  11. tom4ny

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    i was pretty dialed in with isospeed control in my red stars but my game has improved now that i am fully switched to the bio 300t. i am currently trying different strings included meltzer's setup with the old isospeed professional but so far i really like the kirschbaum pro line II. will see about longevity. i had 16g in my kneissl's but like 17g better in the bio 300t. i also dropped tension from 56/53 in the red stars to 55/52 in the dunlops. all is good, just fine tuning from here but i think i prefer a copoly in the dunlop and it is fine on my arm.
     
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  12. Automatix

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    I'd love to try that Kneissl Poly Tech string which was the factory string for the Red Stars in 2007.

    It was a co-poly but was soft, with great control and touch. Unfortunately even then it was unattainable.
     
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  13. tom4ny

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    kneissl had some decent strings and i still like their frames. now that they have a bankruptcy plan maybe we will start to see some production again but for now all is still quiet.
     
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  14. westpac690

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    I tried it with a few different synthetics, but decided to go with natural gut. It seems to me the 300T was almost made for it, and really just enhanced all the positive aspects of the racquet. Definitely worth a try even if you've never dabbled much with natural gut.
    I have mine strung with Babolat VS 17G at 58 lbs.
     
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  15. Dave M

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    How do you all find this racquet on your elbows (those of you who've had issues in the past?)
    Thanks
     
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  16. westpac690

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    I never had any elbow issues, but I was starting to get a "tickle" in my shoulder with my Pure Drive Roddick before I switched. Especially if I was playing fairly often.
    Since I made the switch, I haven't had any issues with any sort of shoulder joint soreness or aches.
     
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  17. tom4ny

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    this frame feels soft and i can play for hours even with a copoly and have no elbow or shoulder pain. i used to feel my red stars so stayed with a soft multi in that frame.

    vs gut 17 would be awesome in this stick. it might be a bit more powerful than i want but supreme comfort for sure. i may add it to my lineup of string selections though i did find technifibre -1 biphase 17 too lively for my liking but the vs gut would be crisper so i dunno. i could even see going with a hybrid setup in this frame and i usually go with a full bed of a soft/arm friendly multi.
     
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  18. Automatix

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    Dang! Too soft and mushy on the serve.

    But what cushion and softness! Volleying was a dream.

    Ohhh well, either I get dialed in on the serve or I'll try some co-poly...
    I am interested in the Signum Pro Firestorm.
     
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  19. tom4ny

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    i found isospeed control (the new version) to be a very soft and comfortable string and loved it in my red stars but it too felt 'mushy' to me in my dunlop bio 300t. i prefer a crisper string in this frame and can handle it because it is so arm friendly. tomorrow night i will be trying the next prince attack 17 and i am excited to see how this combination works out! Le us know how the signum pro works out for you?
     
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  20. Automatix

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    Will do! However currently the only new string from Signum Pro which is available here is Thunderstorm.
     
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  21. blackfrido

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    tom4ny,

    I'm coming in terms of racquets from a similar experience than you. For some reason I (we) keep looking always for something different or better in stead of improving our own game.
    To make a long story short, I played very comfortable and at a very good level with Fischers a lilttle too flexy for my taste > SOLD THEM OUT, with the Red Stars SOLD THEM OUT, then I bought couple of Dunlop 4D 300T looking for something close in terms of specs to the Reds and again......-playing okay but SOLD THEM OUT.
    Since them over a year ago is a nightmare, my game (4.0/4.5) got worse......
    These days I'm playing with a Dunlop Aerogel 300.

    Here is the question since you played with the Reds and now 300 Biomimetic; how do you compare them side to side if you have the time to respond? no rush on that, thanks a lot
     
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  22. tom4ny

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    I have played both the 2007 Red Stars and the most recent iteration of 2010/11 Red Stars. The latest version is shorter, more powerful, and user friendly than the previous but I know that you are asking about the older Red Star (2007/08) and how it compares to the Bio 300T.

    My game level is the same as yours and it did drop over the fall as I was play testing a number of frames. My migration to the dunlop started this past November and I made the final switch in January.

    The Kneissl Red Star 07/08 compares very similarly to the Dunlop Bio 300T but the dunlop is softer with a little less power. I can serve bombs with both so they are equal to me there. I volley better with the 300T and my backhand is better. Forehands are about the same, maybe a bit stronger with the Red Star.

    Now that I am grooved to the dunlop (with lead in the upper hoop) my game is better than it ever was with the Red Stars. And my elbow has never been happier. I would feel it a bit with the Red Stars but not bad - with the dunlop bio 300t, no pain at all. The feel of the frame is firm yet soft. Control is outstanding and I can get angles that I did not get with my Reds. I did drop my string gauge to 17g so that is probably part of it.

    All is all though I think the frames are pretty close except the bio 300t is 1/2 inch shorter and more user friendly. I can see how both frames are Meltzer frames as they are similar. I would recommend some lead in the bio from 11:00-1:00 at least (1/4 inch) and dropping the cross string tension 3-4 lbs to open up the sweetspot a little more.

    I have not played the aerogel version but from what I hear the bio version is crisper and more head light but with a smaller sweetspot. imho the bio is a scalpel and I do not plan to switch for a long time.
     
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  23. blackfrido

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    thanks for you answer!
    We had very similar itinerary with the Reds. I had the ones with the yellow strip detail, then I bought the ones with new cosmetics. I haven't found many differences from these two.
    I did not have the chance to put my hands in the latest version....
    Anyways, you encourage me with your comments to demo the new Biomimetic! In order to do that I have to unload many frames from my closet before I spend a coin in any new adventure :)
     
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  24. tom4ny

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    I have the one with the yellow stripe as well. If you don't mind a 4 5/8 grip I can send you one of my bio's and a new red star to play test. I have a few of each so its fine. Email me through here if you are interested. Either way, best of luck to you. I think that you would like the bio!
     
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    thanks buddy! you don't need to do that, I really appreciate it......I know that Kneissl grip runs a little smaller than others or fells smaller because of its very rectangular/flat shape but 5/8s is too big for me.
    I will consider for sure the 300 bio for a demo soon.
     
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  26. Automatix

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    Don't you find it funny that the ex-Red Star users switched to the 300?

    I mean me and tom4ny, although I've only played with the 'yellow stripe', now Blackfrido will test drive the frame... there must be something to this racquet.
     
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  27. michael valek

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    guys - as loyal kneissl-ists, you should be moving to the white stars! or white star tours, or white star pros!
     
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    ^ can't afford those, especially when you can't demo here in US
     
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    it is funny in fact, and curious too. I switched from the Reds to 300D T before Melzer did it :)
    I really like the 300's but I felt the Red is crispier and more solid at contact than the 300s.
     
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  30. tom4ny

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    Kneissl always has a special place in my heart because my father did polyurethane work for them back in the 80's when I was growing up (and I got free gear, yeah!). I am not parting with my reds and I have some whites as well but decided in January to switch 100% to the bio 300t when my coach/pro told me that I play best with this frame.

    Currently experimenting with kirshbaum, isospeed, weiss, and prince attack strings.

    In my Kneissls I preferred a softer string but in my bio 300t's I prefer a crisper string. You are correct that the Kneissl Red is crisper than the 300's. The Bio 300 is crisper than the 300T but I prefer the feel and control of the 300T.

    I believe that the old Red's had titanium. In the latest iteration they brought back Kevlar and thickened the beam and also shortened it to 27.2. They did the same with the new white star. They have a great feel but there is a bit of a wobble during hard hitting that can be overcome with lead but I was never able to get everything grooved right and consistant.

    With the switch to the Dunlop Bio 300T my game did improve so that is what cemented the switch.
     
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  31. Automatix

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    I didn't find them more solid but indeed more crispy. I kinda prefer the 300 Tours, I started out with Dunlop and now I came back full time.
     
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  32. Automatix

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    Firestorm finally became available here and the 1,25mm version is the first on my demo list. I'm leaving my kevlar-nylon in one racquet though, just in case.

    If Firestorm is a disapointment I'll test Prince Beast XP 1,25mm... I'll probably buy a reel because I can get it at a really good price.
     
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  33. tom4ny

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    i agree that the old reds are crispier than the bio 300 and 300T but they are all solid frames. the new red stars are softer and feel great but they do have that flutter.

    i am really liking the kirshbaum pro line II and this is my first experience with it. i also like isopeed axon mono which is similar but only available up to 16L. they are both great in either the 300 or 300T. next i am trying kirshbaum hybrix and the old isospeed professional (meltzer setup). i would think that prince beast would play well and so far so good with the prince attack - a crisp super arm friendly multi.
     
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  34. Automatix

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    Tom4ny did you try Prince Beast XP 1,25mm in full bed?

    Although I was supposed to try Firestorm first the price I can get on the Beast XP tempts me so much that I'll probably switch the order and playtest the Beast first.
     
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  35. tom4ny

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    i have not tried it in my dunlop but tried it in my rebel and liked it a lot. i just like prince attack even more in the rebel that is why i am now trying it in my 300T. it is crisp like beast but more arm friendly. both of these new strings from prince are really good though. i am sorry that i cannot help you with beast in the 300T but i would not be afraid to use a full bed of it.
     
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  36. Automatix

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    If you've played with Beast in a full bed could you elaborate on it's characteristics?
     
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  37. tom4ny

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    it is crisp, hold tension well, has a good power level but not too much. prince attack is more arm friendly but i did not have any issues with beast. i keep the tension in mine at 55 and below and i wouldnt go higher.

    kirshbaum is a little softer and less powerful and on a full bed i like it slightly better than beast for the control.

    also, i have heard and read some people really like a beast/attack hybrid which softens up the bed a little but is less spinny (as expected).

    i feel a full bed of poly just a little bit in my elbow so even though i am having good results i am going to continue to play test some multi's. i would suggest trying one set of beast before you go for the whole reel - just to make sure. good luck!!
     
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  38. tom4ny

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    not on the bio max 200g bandwagon - i'm just smitten with the bio 300T :cool:
     
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    Hi guys, first post on here so go easy haha...

    Basically i've been playing with the 300tours for a year and a half or so, but i'm now at the point where i've been looking at other rackets to take my game further...

    To give you a bit of background, I've been playing for about 4 years now and started out on aerogel 300 tours, but started to get awful arm pains due to the stiffness. So then after a recommendation (as i didn't really know what i wanted / was looking for at the time), I switched to the bio 300 tours.

    Now whilst i do enjoy playing with these rackets, I find the sweetspot to be a little small and after playing with the 300 tour open strings, really struggle to find as much spin as i'd like in my shots these days.

    I've seen you guys talking about lead from 11 oclock - 1 oclock to open up the sweetspot, which i'd like to try. I've never dabbled with lead before so how much would you recommend?

    My current setup is alu power big banger mains and prince synthetic gut crosses, strung at 55lbs.

    If you guys have any suggestions that may help me achieve more spin and to possibly make the racket a little more forgiving it'd be much appreciated. I'd like to keep these rackets if possible, rather than going on the hunt for another 16 x 19 strung racket.

    Many thanks in advance! :)
     
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  40. tom4ny

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    welcome to the club! the bio 300T is not a spinny racquet but spin generation can be improved by using a 17g string. i prefer the longevity of a 16 which is what i used to use but feel that this frame does better with a thinner gauge. you could also go with a full bed of a soft co-poly and drop the cross tension 3 lbs (55/52). automatix and i were discussing prince beast which is pretty arm friendly and kirshbaum pro line II.

    as far as the lead goes - i have 1/4" tape from 11-1 on both sides which adds about 3 grams. if you go from 10-2, it will add about 4 grams. that is all i felt it needed. i didn't put any lead under the grip but changed to head hydrosorb which is heavier than dunlop's gecko grip and i like the feel better.

    i am trying isospeed professional (classic) 17 and prince attack (17) tomorrow night. i am hoping that spin is as good as with the co-poly. let us know how this works out for you? good luck!!
     
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    Thanks for the quick response tom4ny! Much appreciate the advise on the lead especially, will definitely give that a try and see how it goes!

    I'll also look into prince beast, I've heard mixed reviews about it so far, guess the only way to truely find out is try it yourself :)! Be sure to let me know how you get on with the new strings too!
     
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  42. Joe Cocker

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    Was in the bag...
    2 each Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200's
    1 each Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour

    All racquets strung with poly in the mains and synthetic in the crosses - mains and crosses at 60 lbs. The 300 Tour had lead tape in the throat and at 11:00 and 1:00 to match the weight of the 200's.

    This is was my third iteration of Dunlop racquets. I swore by them and subsequently turned many players on to them. However, I recently gave the Babolats a spin. Holly crap! My hitting partners were the first to say something (e.g. "wow, the ball is way heavier coming off those racquets" - "your spin is sick!"). I was very disappointed to hear this....had to buy to three new racquets lol. I'm still using the Dunlop bag, if that's any consolation...
     
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  43. tom4ny

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    i have a babalot pure storm (white/red/black version) and bab pure drive (french open edition) that i don't even bother to carry around. i will take the 300t over both of them. let us know when the honeymoon is over and you can come back to the family since you kept your bag. :lol:
     
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  44. tom4ny

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    i found it to be crisper than kirshbaum pro line II but still arm friendly. both of these are arm friendly poly's to the degree that there is such a thing.

    also, since you are a lux fan - have you tried timo 17? wicked spin from that string. good luck ben!
     
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  45. TennisTulku

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    Moving from BB London to 300 Tour

    Very interesting transition... I have been hitting with the Borris Becker London over the past year and recently demoed the Bio 300 Tour on whim. Really took to it right away. To me it plays like the London on strokes but improves serves and service returns for me. I have placed an order on a new 300 Tour. I usually have to work with a racquet for a while after the initial demo to really get an idea of how it truly holds up over time. Will keep you posted.
     
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  46. tom4ny

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    i think that a lot of bb london users would like the bio 300t and vice versa. the bio 300t is great for serves and the control over all is outstanding. it is very solid but a little lead in the upper hoop firms it up against opposing hard serves on service returns. welcome to the club and good luck TT!
     
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  47. TheBoom

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    Count me in!! I have been using this racket almost a year now due to dsquad player package (thanks Dunlop!!!) and it has preformed very well! I did have to add weight to it because there was too little stability for me and the sweet spot was a little too low. It is now weighted around 11.6 oz I believe? I did switch to a pure drive roddick for a while and still use it on occasion (when I need extra power or spin) but when I need to control my racket this just seems like a perfect extension of my arm. No matter how many rackets I've tried to replace it with I have yet to find one that preformed up to par as consistently as this one. My setup: lead at 2&10 and under the grip, babolat cosmetic dampener, and I use isospeed baseline control 16g @ 54 lbs.
     
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  48. tom4ny

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    awesome. welcome boom!

    i am a huge isospeed fan and was play testing isospeed professional classic last night and loving it. i also had kirshbaum helix and prince attack, all 17g, and all perform well in the dunlop bio 300t. it is going to take more playing for me to settle on one as they each play well but with different levels of control, spin, power. having played with isospeed in my kneissl's for years i think that they make some great products. my bio's are all at 55/52.
     
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    This is my first stringing with isospeed I used black widow before which I believe got me more spin but it didn't have as much feel as isospeed. Also had pro hurricane in it and it was horrible never using that again
     
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  50. tom4ny

    tom4ny Semi-Pro

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    i used to use 16g but have went to 17g on the 300t to get more spin. durability will be a factor in my string eval's
     
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