dunlop biomimetic 300 tour club

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  1. tom4ny

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    i forgot to mention that in addition to having 1/4" lead running from 11:00-1:00, i have a strip of gamma head tape running atop the entire bumper guard which adds about another .5 grams. so in total i have added about 4 grams of weight to the upper hoop which firms it up, raises the sweetspot, and still keeps a hl balance and the whippiness you want from this frame to generate spin. viola! das ist ein tennis schlager. mucho bueno :)
     
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  2. RNBABOLAT

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    I saw in fb dunlop page the new paintjob of the 300 in the hands of FEVER someone knows something about it???? Thanks
     
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  3. Automatix

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    I have to say I'm really digging the Beast setup.
    Soft and comfortable but with a good directional feel and feedback. However this is only based on some baseline bashing and a bit of hitting against a wall so the jury is still out.

    A bit off-topic but what the heck.
    I'm thinking of playtesting the Bio 400, Bio 500 Tour and the 600 just for the heck of it.
    Funny thing is that the feedback I got is that the 600 is a true sleeper and although it's quite a big headsize and light racquet it really shines and with a bit of tweeking can be a very good racquet when you're older. Similarly the info I got for the 400 is quite good while the 500 Tour looks pale comparing to both! bizarre...


    I'll ask my rep about this when I get the chance.
     
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  4. westpac690

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    I'm curious to know how much everyone's 300T weighed before any mods. TW.com has the weight listed as 320g, my first 300t 4 5;8 came in at 332g, and my second racquet came in at 328g.
    I liked the 332g racquet so much I weighted the 328g to match it.
    I'm not complaining by any means because I love how the 332g racquet feels and performs, and I know there is a certain amount of leeway in racquet weights from each racquet company, but 10 g's and 8 g's is a pretty big difference. I was just wondering if my 2 racquets are really an anomaly or are just that big a difference in Dunlop racquets.
    I've also used some Wilson, Head, and Babolat racquets, and those seemed to have been a little closer to the listed weight.
     
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  5. Automatix

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    Mine are (unstrung):
    Weight: 310g
    Balance: 320mm

    P.S.: Both of mine were almost identical in spec. Same balance, weight was different by less than 1g.
     
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  6. westpac690

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    Ah, I forgot to add those weights I listed on my previous post are strung, not unstrung.
     
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  7. Supermange

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    My question is how much lead should you put on the bio300 tour.
    Most people here say 4-6gram between 10-2 clock. Should I put on lead in the handle to counter or is an overgrip enough? I don't wan't to loose the feeling of the racket but go as high with lead as I can. Anybody?
     
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  8. blackfrido

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    Automatix, yesterday I had the chance to hit for couple of games with the Biomimetic 400.........this racquet is the closest thing I played to the Reds. This racquet is amazing! I was able to hit anything I wanted to; insane second kick serves among one of the strokes I call recall more vividly :)
     
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  9. TheBoom

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    Put some lead under. I put a bunch under and even when I decided not to keep some lead I had on it gave me some extra whippyness. It's just a precaution though if you don't mind it being less headlight no need to counter balence ce it
     
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  10. tom4ny

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    i have 4 grams of lead in the upper hoop and a strip of gamma tap running the entire bumper guard for another .5 grams. my frames are still 4 pts. hl and whippy without any counterbalance on the handle. just a little is needed to firm up the upper hoop and raise the sweetspot.

    i also suggest 17g string for better spin and dropping the cross tension 3 lbs to open up the sweetspot a little wider.

    presto! you now have a magical racquet with great feel and amazing precision. a perfectly weighted butter knife.
     
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  11. Supermange

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    Thanks for the reply tom4ny and theboom. Will add 4 gram in the upper hoop and put some in the handle to counter like you suggest. thx
     
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  12. Benjj

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    So yesterday I finally got my rackets back with the new spec and managed to have a hit with them! I went for pretty much exactly what you recommended with the 4 grams under the bumper from 10-2. Then strings wise I went with the prince beast 17 in the mains and a synthetic gut in the crosses as the guy in the shop knows I've had a few arm issues and recommended I try it first. And got it strung at 53/50. Have to say, the strings feel absolutely amazing, get so much more spin than I previously had, made a world of difference! The only thing I'm a little unsure about at the minute is the headweight, feels a massive difference from the standard set up, so just getting used to my one handed backhand with it at the moment. I may take a gram or two out depending on how I get on with it. Going for another hit in a minute then I have a match tomorrow so I'll keep you updated! Thanks for the help though guys!


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  13. tom4ny

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    great to hear ben! the new prince beast and prince attack strings seem to work well with the 300T. i am still working out if i will go with this combo or go with kirshbaum, or my long time favorite - isospeed. the dunlop 300t definitely works better with a 17g string and having the tension as you do will get plenty of action on the ball. don't you love hitting those crazy angle shots? that is what an oval frame like this can do that other head shapes cannot.

    you could cut your lead down so that it runs from 11:00-1:00 to cut back 1 gram and then add a strip of head tape to the bumper guard which adds about .5 grams. that is my current setup with a head hydrosorb grip added and i love hitting backhands and it is plenty whippy.

    good luck with your match!!
     
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    If anyone's looking, I have an almost new 300 tour for sale on the boards...
     
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  15. Bman610

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    Experimenting

    I have had a bio300t for about a year but just recently got into the ideas of strings and weight. I like the solinco tour bite 16l because of the tremendous spin it gives but I feel like that's all it gives so I've been wanting to try out other strings to hybrid with. I've already tried ashaway monogut but it's not for me. It may be really cheap but it just takes away some spin and the power isn't tremendous but is hard to handle. I ordered some msg co-focus strings that seem like they might be pretty good. I just wanted to see if you guys had some suggestions that would go good with the solinco. As for the lead tape it seem pretty complicated but I want a more whippy feeling and the sweet spot seems a little low and I have read there is a way to make it higher. Please reply to me for some suggestions.
     
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  16. yoooki

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    Please count me in the club!

    I've been playing with the bio 300 tour since last year since I won one off the dunlop sports facebook page; the design a racquet competition. Before that, I came off the AG4D 300 tour strung with full TournaBHB17@54pds, which I found pretty hard to use because I felt like the racquet was facing resistance when hitting the ball. I actually liked this setup for the control of shot, but just felt like my effort wasn't translating. The biomimetic felt similar, but I noticed it swung through quicker which helped a bit with topspin and swinging freely. My fbbiom300Tour doesn't actually have the aeroskin so regardless of the technology, the biomimetic swings lighter than the AG4D version.

    I only recently started reading through this forum, threads such as the aerogel 300 appreciation society, the awesome string job one, and since then have set out to try different string setups and lead on my racquets. Because I didn't want to damage my fbbiom300tour, I bought the actual biom300tour and strung it with Prince Twisted 16L(black/red)@54pds which unfortunately I don't think they stock at TW anymore.. In stock it still felt like there was just something holding it back, except maybe on serve, where you could get really great topspin and slice.

    As an experiment, I replaced the grip with a Dunlop Tour Classic Leather Replacement Grip, placed a solinco wonder overgrip over the top, and added lead (1/4' gamma lead tape); 4 x 2 inch strips (equivalent of 2 x 4 inch strips) centred at 12 o'clock... I did it like this so that I'd be able to move the 2 inch strips to 10 and 2, and 3 and 9 for subsequent tinkering. What I've noticed after doing this, is that the ball now produces a distinct pop/slap noise, which is really awesome ~! and whether it's my imagination or not, I feel like I can feel the ball sinking into the strings a little. The quality of shot is also better in terms of pace and feel off the racquet. It just feels more sturdy and reliable in the hand.

    I'm still new to this sort of thing, but just wanted to share my experiences with and appreciation for the biomimetic 300 tour. And after messing around with the biom300 tour, I feel like going back to the AG4D and seeing if I can get it grooving aswell.

    http://imageshack.us/g/829/myracquetcollection.jpg/
     
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  17. tom4ny

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    The gecko grip is the only this that I do not like about this frame and have replaced out all of mine with Head Hydrosorb synthetic grips.

    spreading lead tape around the upper part or half of the frame seems to work best for most people. Some have counter balanced but others, such as myself have appreciated the increased swingweight. Not much lead is needed and by keeping the sw around 310-315, the frame is still very whippy but plays more solid.

    The pop sound is awesome! Isospeed Professional Classic has a great sound and is my main string of choice. I get more spin from Kirshbaum Pro Line II and it ping's a but but with vibration dampener it plays well in this frame and I still keep 2 of mine strung with this co-poly.

    I have now been playing with this setup for 8 months and I am not changing!! My game has never been better. :)
     
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  18. namui

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    Bought one for my daughter 2 months ago. It matched her right away and her tennis teacher was surprised by her immediate improvement. After trying it a couple of times, I couldn't resist buying one for myself. It turned out that mine was significant lighter (6 grams) and had a lot lower swing weight (295 vs 308). I added leads on the hoops (10 grams total), put on a leather grip only up to approx. 5.5 inch from butt, and add 2 grams inside the butt cap. This, with overgrip, results in the total weight of 342 grams and swing weight of around 317-318. MUch more stable than the stock and I now enjoy the racquet immensely that I've been using only it for a few times already (I played 2-3 times a week). Great racquet indeed.
    PS My normal racquet is BLX90 (US, stock), I play s&v and was 5.0 (now should be 4.5)
     
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  19. Djokofiets

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    I'm thinking of switching from the Wilson Blade BLX 98 to this one. The only differences are the SW and the balance, which I think I like, since the Blade swings almost too heavy for me and it isn't very comfortable. Can anyone compare these racquets? And is the biomimetic 300 tour really that much better than the aerogel 4d 300 tour? I'm asking this, because I can get the aerogel version for 30 euros cheaper per stick.
     
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  20. tom4ny

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    the aerogel version is softer and less powerful than the bio 300t which is closer in power level (but not as much) as the blx. I like the blx and it compares well with the bio 300t. the blx has a bigger sweetspot and a tad more power but the bio has better feel and is more precise. I can also swing it faster than the blx so ultimately for me it was superior to the blx. You will need to add some lead to the upper hoop otherwise it is too dead. Also because it is such an oval shaped frame it helps to drop the cross tension by 3-4 pounds. You can go with a full bed of co poly in this frame and it is still very comfortable. The Meltzer setup with Isospeed Professional is my favorite but is less lively. I would also replace the gecko grip either with leather or with a heavy synthetic and you should be good to go! :) good luck!!
     
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  21. Djokofiets

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    Thanks for the quick and clear response!
    I'll take everything in consideration and I'm going to try to demo both versions, see which I like better :)
     
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  22. mrc

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    Dunlop Bio 300 Tour Experience

    I have Head Prestige MP's and gave this one a try by buying a used one. At first, it seemed a bit flimsy but after adding some lead to the hoop and getting it strung with good Poly in Mains and Multi in the crosses around 55lbs each, I quickly fell in love with the feel. I am a 4.5 all court lefty and this racquet is awesome. My forehand is better with Prestige, but if you combine slice, drop, serve, 2nd serve, volley, and overhead...it shines.
    The only difference( I would love someone else's opinions as well) is that I notice I like them strung in the mid 50's when I used to string Prestige's around 50lbs. Not sure why...Just like it better.
     
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  23. mrc

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    I like the Blade BLX 98 as well...Good pop from back of court and serve. However, once again...the BIO 300 Tour shines with the varitey you can impart on all shots. It has more feel than a diamond cutter.
     
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  24. mrc

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    Tom4ny,
    What string tension are you using? you mentioned dropping the crosses more than normal? Why? What are you putting in them?
     
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  25. tom4ny

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    Hi Mrc, welcome to the club! i have some of my bio 300t's strung with isospeed professional classic and some frames strung with kirshbaum pro line 2. all of my frames are strung at 55/52. because the bio 300t has such an oval shape the mains are quite a bit longer. dropping the cross tension 3-4 lbs. has the effect of opening up the sweet spot a little wider. the crosses will not move more.

    this frame is so comfortable i can easily play with a full bed of co-poly like pro line 2 and with a 17g string i get plenty of spin. still i like the feel of the isospeed professional classic best as i have been an isospeed fan for years.

    with a hybrid setup you need to take into account the relative stiffness of each string plus the 3-4 lb differential which might require some fine tuning. i just prefer a homogeneous string bed.
     
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  26. *Val*

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    I really like the look of this racquet. I currently play with the Aerogel 4D300, would the Biomimetic 300 Tour be the logical progression for me?
     
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  27. tom4ny

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    i think so. i have a few bio 300's also and the bio 300t just does everything a little better for me and has better feel. the bio 300 is easier for spin but by using a 17g string on the 300t you get good spin production. you probably will want to add some lead to the upper hoop on the bio 300t.

    the new bio max 200 maybe should be on your list as well but i have not hit with that one yet.
     
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  28. mrc

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    Just strung with KBaum PLII with 55 in mains and 52 in crosses. Excellent set up...Love it.
     
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  29. aisbandi

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    Hey guys. Just got myself a Dunlop 300 Tour and I love it !! I've demoed many racquets over the past 3 months and this is one of the top racquets. However it is obvious that the racquet needs some lead weight.... somewhere. Idk where yet. So far I strung it with Babolat VS Touch x RPM Blast at 61/59. Yeah it is a bit tight and the next time I plan to drop the tension to 60/58 or even 59/57. Any suggestions to the new 300t user?
     
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  30. robbo1970

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    This 300T does seems to tick a lot of my boxes in terms of spec.

    How do you find the HL balance in terms of stability against heavy hitters, bearing in the mind the overall strung weight of 320g?

    I have been considering adding a leather grip to a racket that would bring it pretty much to these specs, but if this 300T is good in stock form then I'll just buy one of those rather than start tinkering about with an old racket.
     
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  31. tom4ny

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    the 300T has good stability in stock form but for higher level players and hard hitting, especially service returns, some lead tape is wanted. some folks simply place a few grams at 3 and 9 and call it a day. i would raise it to 2 and 10 or spread it out from 1 to 11 (what i do). the upper hoop is the area where i feel a little lead is of greatest benefit and you do not need much.

    i suspect that the new F300 tour improves in this area but i do not plan on switching.
     
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  32. aisbandi

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    I added lead tape on my 300T. First I put it on 2 and 10. When I do that, the racquet seems really unpredictable. Sometimes I would hit the ball and it will overshoot the court by a longshot. Then the next hit I get; same hit, same form, but the ball would go inside the court.

    However, when I put the lead tape from 11-1 (yes, all the way) It is very predictable, it gets rid of the vibration, and it provides the extra power that I need. This is the perfect setting for me.

    As far as strings, I still have not found a favorite yet. I am using 16G VS Touch x 17G RPM Blast hybrid. However, I strung it way to high at 61/59. The result is that I have to swing really hard each time and it does a number on my elbows. I really don't recommend that setting. Next time I will drop it to 59/57 and see how it feels. I also know that the 17G is a great thing to have on this racquet. But no confirmation yet. Will update more later.
     
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  33. tom4ny

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    so glad to hear that it worked out for you with the lead tape! i agree with you that a little lead tape spread around the upper hoop is all that is needed. i don't think that i would string over 58 with the oval hoop and dense string pattern but that is me. i think that you have a great string set up too!! mine are all strung at 55/52 with kirshbaum proline II 17g. i am now trying the 18g version of pro line II and wow! will need to see how durability is but i love pro line II in the 300T. it is soft enough on my elbow to go full with a full poly setup. rpm blast works well too though. probably a bit more spinny and not quite as soft as kirshbaum but works well with this frame.
     
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  34. yoooki

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    Haven't kept up with this in a while! My last post was almost exactly a year ago haha. Is everyone still using their biom 300 tours?

    I'm still really happy with mine, but have changed a few things since I last posted : P. Currently have:
    1. Dunlop Tour Classic leather replacement grip with two Solinco Wondergrip overgrips over the top
    2. Solinco Outlast 17 (1.20mm) at 54 pounds
    3. Head logo dampener II
    4. Lead tape approximately 2 grams each at 10 and 2.

    The lead tape thing is pseudo-experimental and more of a cosmetic thing for me really... Definitely plays better than having no lead tape but I just wana play and not be bogged down with all the tinkering. Just wondering though, how do people place their lead tape on their frames? I do mine like this:
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/a9uu.jpg/
    Saw someone else doing it and thought it was pretty cool, so have followed suit since!
     
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  35. qwertre

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    Just picked up a couple of these in a trade! Haven't hit with one in my life, so it should be interesting.
     
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  36. LeeD

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    Mine is leaded with 1/4" lead tape at 10-2 for a total of 12".
    App. 320SW, it likes to hit a flatter, faster ball than my Aero300's, which have fewer strings. It also controls my fastest swings, while the 4DAero likes slower swings.
     
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  37. yoooki

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    Hey LeeD, just noticed you posted in that other thread as well haha. Interesting point about the ag4d. Just want to clarify whether you mean ag4d 300 or 300 tours.

    Would you say that the ag4d is meant for slower swings? Because I tend to swing quite fast and whippy, so maybe that's why the ag4ds aren't working for me. I think I kind of understand though because I think they do play better if you focus more on timing with a relaxed but solid stroke rather than hitting for the fence. What do you reckon?
     
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