dunlop biomimetic f300 tour vs. biomimetic 300 tour

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  1. tom4ny

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    received my new f300 tour today and will take it out tonight for play testing.

    i switched to the bio 300 tour last year and thoroughly enjoy this frame which is perfectly suited for my game. i am a 4.5 all court player with relatively flat strokes and a one handed backhand. the bio 300 tour does everything well for me. from ground strokes to volleys to flat first serves, i get the pace and precision that i want from this solid frame. i do have 3 grams of lead tape running from 11:00-1:00 along the upper hoop and have replaced the gecko grip with head's hydrosorb grip.

    my new f300 tour is also strung with kirshbaum pro line II at 55/52. i will play this frame in stock form tonight with the original dunlop grip, and follow up with my initial thoughts and a comparison of the two frames. i do not plan on switching frames at this time.
     
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  2. GenesisTurbo

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    i have just switched to the Bio 300 Tour
    what strings do you recommend? i pretty much have the same style of play as you.
     
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  3. tom4ny

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    your current string choice seems like a good one to me. i like a softer poly and play with a full bed of pro line II but i definitely suggest a 17g string. 2 multi's i like in this frame are isospeed professional classic and isospeed energetic 17. i also drop the cross tension by 3#'s.
     
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  4. hoodjem

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    Can you get much spin out of either racquet?

    I really like the specs for these racquets, but both are 18X20 and I cannot get much spin off of that denser string-bed pattern.

    I wish they made the same racquet in 16X18 or 16X19.
     
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  5. tom4ny

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    initial impressions on the new f300 tour is that dunlop has created a crisper and snappier 300 tour. they also fixed the issues with the prior version by making a more solid upper hoop and a larger sweetspot. spin generation is also improved. the frame is solid like the prior version and swings fast through the air. the grip is longer so those with 2 handed backhands will be pleased. the frame is also a comfortable hit. you get decent ball feel and good shock absorption.

    the new f300 tour volleys like a dream and improves on the prior version. groundstrokes were very good also with a higher trajectory than shots hit with my regular bio 300 tour. forehands were great but i prefer the regular bio 30 tour for my one handed backhand. i also prefer serving with my regular bio 300 tour but could get more spin and kick with the f 300 tour.

    i think that the prior version has better ball pocketing and even a bit more power when you hit the center of the racquet. the new version is definitely more lively feeling and has more power in the upper third of the frame.

    oh, the new gecko grip is much improved. i didnt like the old version at all but this one feels much better.

    next week i will be hitting with my regular hitting partner who is a 5.5 so i will be able to get a much better assessment of how i play with this new version when under pressure or on the defensive. i will also be better able to compare service returns but both frames feel solid in this area.

    both are control frames but i get better angles with my old bio 300 tour. windshield wiper forehands are fun with both frames though.

    i also may polarize the new frame and add a little lead up top. it may help with serves where the older bio 300 tour just worked better for me tonight.
     
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  6. tom4ny

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    with a full bed of 17g poly i get pretty good spin generation. the new f300 tour gets excellent spin with this set up. it will not be the spin monster that a 16x18 gets you but it is not bad at all with the new f300 version. when i use my isospeed multi set up i do not get the spin generation i get with my kirshbaum pro line II set up but the control for flat ball hitting is still great and i love the "pop" sound that I get with the isospeed set up.

    that reminds me - the new f300 tour does hanve more of a "ping" sound than the older version. not annoying or loud but definitely more metallic sounding then the regular bio 300 tour.
     
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  7. tom4ny

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    i failed to mention kirsbaum pro line x which is a little livelier and even more spin then pro line II. they say it also has better longevity but i cannot speak to that aspect yet.

    next on deck for me is kirshbaum spiky shark 17 which i suspect will be more spin friendly but crisper than what i prefer.
     
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  8. robbo1970

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    A Bio Max200G isnt far off the same spec. Just a thought if you like 16x19.
     
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    tom4ny TW is having a deal on Spiky Shark $24 for 4 sets, that's $6 a set...
    That's an unbeatable price i might go and pick up 4 sets myself.
     
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  10. tom4ny

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    that is a great deal and given your current set up, this may be a good one for you to try. i have not played with spiky shark yet but i know from others that it plays firmer than pro line II and X which i have played. kirshbaum makes some really nice strings. i like their multi and hybrid offerings as well but i really like the low power and softness of the pro line II series. if you want a crisper string with monster spin then spiky shark is better. i would still go with the 17g though.
     
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  11. GenesisTurbo

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    Thanks for the reply back tom4ny
     
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  12. tom4ny

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    the new bio f300 tour is a fast swinging racquet with a lively crisp stringbed. the ball comes off of the string bed quickly and you get easier power than the previous bio 300 tour but i am not convinced that the overall power level is better. it is definitely a melding of a babolat aero pro drive into a comfortable dunlop like package. the dimples on the new aero skin are different but it is very head light balance that allows one to swing this frame fast. spin generation is definitely better and the upper hoop "dead" feel is fixed from the earlier version. the other are where i see an immediate improvement is on volleys. the old bio 300 tour is good at volleys too, especially with lead added, but the new f300 is awesome even without lead.

    i definitely feel more flex in the frame and better ball dwell time with the previous bio 300 tour. control is slightly better with the old version too but both frames are control rackets. both frames are solid and can handle heavy hitting. i am hitting a slightly heavier flatter ball with the bio 300 tour and get some better angles. the new f300 tour allows me to swing out with confidence and keep the ball in play even though the trajectory of my shots is higher than the bio 300 tour. the new f 300 tour is easier to play with than the bio 300 tour.

    it definitely comes down to whether one prefers a more "modern" feel with more spin or a more "traditional" feel and more control.
     
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  13. tom4ny

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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/DF30T/DF30TReview.html

    Chris does a great job comparing the F300 tour to the Bio 300 tour.

    i am adding lead to the F300 tour as well as a head hydrosorb grip. this will give me an apples to apples comparison to my Bio 300 tour set up. i think that the new version has better arm protection even though it feels more 'crisp'. will be playing wednesday depending on hurricane damage.
     
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    Control=7 Andy?? Lower than the mark you gave to the Head Extreme "rocket launcher" pro 2.0, you know better
     
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  15. Amp1

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    Not sure why the racket is not getting more reviews. Maybe it's the end of the season and racket buying is done.

    I upgraded to the new 3.0F after playing with 300 tour for 3 months. Have to say the upgrade is worth it. Playing with excel 16 and really liking it. Full multi may be a bit too much power on this racket, but really liking it so far.

    Have been play testing rackets all of this year, and so far played with Prestige mp, radical mp, speed mp, formula 100, rebel 98 and finally settled on 300 tour.

    This racket is a great balance between using a players racket to swing through and getting enough power to keep opponents on defense.

    Formula 100 and rebel 98 are good rackets, but don't get the satisfaction of swinging through to generate my own power with these two.

    People who liked Speed, but find it too harsh, will find this a great upgrade. If you play with radical, but need something more manuravable or a bit more power, this is a great option.
     
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  16. tom4ny

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    I agree with you on all counts Amp1 but for now I am sticking with my Bio 300 tours. The initial string job that I got from TW when I ordered my F3.0 was off and it was strung around 60 lbs when I had requested 55. I had it restrung by my local pro and now have the same set up as my Bio 300 tours with Isospeed Professional Classic at 55/52 and 4 grams of lead in the upper hoop.

    The new frame design on the F3.0 tour fixed the dead feeling of the upper hoop on the Bio version. It is more stable, has a more lively string bed, and the sweet spot is a little bigger and raised higher. Still, a little lead in the upper hoop helps me on serve and provides a little more power. I do think that the Bio 300 tour, when you hit the sweetspot has more power than the new F3.0 tour, but the F3.0 tour has a bigger sweetspot and a snappy livelier stringbed. The F3.0 tour is also better at dampening shock.

    Both are great frames but they play slightly differently.
     
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  17. tom4ny

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    the new F3.0 tour does have kind of a metallic "ping" sound when you hit the ball. At first I thought that it may have been the poly strings but even with a multi in, it sounds that way to me. With the same stings in my Bio 300 tour, it is more of a "pop" sound.

    a minor issue but noticeable.
     
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  18. roundiesee

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    How does the old 4D 300 Tour stack up against the Bio 300 Tour and the F3.0 Tour?
     
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    less power, more sluggish through the air but no slouch either, better feel - more flex.

    they are all really great frames but with each generation the frame has gotten a little stiffer with a bit more power but less feel. the F 3.0 tour is the most different in feel and the ball comes off of the stringbed faster. the 4D 300 is the most classic in the feel department
     
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  20. Blitzball

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    I feel like the Bio Tour was similar to the Blade or Radical MP spec-wise and playwise. It really let my one handed backhand shine too, and the switch to the F3.0 Tour, which is a stick somewhere inbetween the Bio Tour and Aero Pro Drive, actually hindered my consistency with its crazy pop. I hit flat too, and I was hitting a lot of erratic shots from the baseline. AND I felt the F3.0 got pushed around too easily and even lacked plow through on defensive shots, which aggravated me during my sets. I'm 4.0, and maybe too dependent on the racquet for enhancing my game, so it's probably just me sucking but I've been kind of let down by the F3.0 tour so far. Except on serve, it's really good on serve.
     
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  21. JackB1

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    agree.....I loved the feel of the 4D 300 and 4D 300T. Nice flex and sweetspot hits feel very nice. There is something off to me with the new Dunlops...they just have a "tinny" and "hollow" feel to me and the sweetspot seems really small in feel.
     
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  22. tom4ny

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    I hit very flat and I find the Bio 300 tour better suited for my style of strokes, particularly my 1hbh. The sweetspot does feel larger to me on the F 3.0 tour and it is also higher up but the sweetspot on the bio 300 is sweeter. The Bio tour (with lead) just seems more solid to me but the F 3.0 tour is snappier to the ball and more crisp. Do you use 17g strings? I find that it really helps with these dunlops especially on the Bio version.
     
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  23. acura9927

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    A lot of players say the 4D 300 Tour is better than the Bio 300T. This has convinced to get one used, cant resist the urge to test it out.
     
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  24. tom4ny

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    my hitting partner says that I hit a better ball with the F3.0 Tour and seem to play better. I am not yet dialed in on serve but am circling back around on this frame. I usually take a few months before I switch to a new frame so this is not unusual for me. I am think though that ball quality is winning is more important than feel.
     
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  25. Pneumated1

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    I demoed the frame this week, and I believe that this is the best 300 Tour that I've hit. I covered the bumper with head tape and ran 1/8" wide lead, 6" long, from the end of the bumper, down just past 3/9. I could feel just a hint of flex in the frame with the added weight. The "feel" is stiff, yet it seems to be a very arm friendly frame, almost as if the construction and geometry of the frame create the stiffness, not the layup.

    I'm a big fan of very flexible frames, so this one responds a tad too stiff for me to consider. It's very crisp, controlled, with improved pop. I actually got a lot more rpm's and bite on the ball with the F 3.0 Tour than I did with the M 3.0. The latter frame I think Dunlop has done a disservice to by consistently making it stiffer. Keep the new geometry, just soften it, if possible.
     
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  26. tom4ny

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    Hey P1! Thanks as always for your input!! I understand what you are saying. Though I felt that the racket was fairly stable and that Dunlop had resolved the dead upper hoop issue with this version I felt that it played even better with lead added. I am running 1/4" lead tape from 10:00-2:00 and I have replaced the stock grip with a heavier synthetic but no added lead underneath.

    The new F3.0 definitely is crisp and the ball comes off the stringbed fast. It is stiff but I find it very arm friendly. The stringbed to me behaves a lot like my Volkl x10 295. It is very fast and lively.

    The Bio 300 tour feels nicer and you get better ball pocketing. I am really dialed in on serve with this frame and I can hit a flatter ball on all shots. The smaller sweetspot is also more plush.

    I have always preferred the old school or traditional feel of a frame but in time I may be switching over to the "modern" camp.

    I have not playtested the M version. Sorry to hear that it feels even stiffer as I felt that the Bio 300 was to stiff for my liking.

    Have a great holiday :)
     
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  27. Pneumated1

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    Hey Tom. Undoubtedly, Dunlop has created a very stable frame and resolved the upper-hoop issues. Having played the frame, I think that the inherent stability would allow me to strip the 1/8" lead and just keep the head tape covering the bumper. Racquet head speed is at a premium, in order to keep up with the lightning response off the stringbed, so the lighter the better, imo. As I stated, the RPM's that I was getting on the ball was impressive.

    You're dead on the money with the comparison to the X-295. They're both incredibly stable and crisp for their weights, but I would choose the F 3.0 Tour every day. There's just something about the feel and weight distribution of a Dunlop 300 in the hand that few other racquets can match.

    There are still a few more flexible options that I would choose over this F 3.0 Tour at this point, but like you, if I were to give in to the modern trends, this would likely be where I would start. Great frame!

    And I just want to state that the M 3.0 is a great frame as well, and I'm not sure if it's stiffer than the Bio. 300 or not. Again, it may be the frame geometry that just exudes different characteristics. Here again, I could hit this one as well, but I would definitely string them looser than these demos.

    And while I know that these losses have been painful for you, I have to say thanks to the Giants for keeping my Cowboy's hopes alive. Maybe we can take care of business next week in DC.

    Merry Christmas!
     
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    Got one. Thanks.
     
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    interesting. I agree is is very stiff feeling compared to prior year models.
    Do you think the M and the F 3.0 are similar except for slight weight differences and pattern difference?. I don't understand why all the praise has been for the F and zero is said about the M?
    Are you saying you get just as much spin with the F as with the more open M?
     
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    In the hand they feel similar, and they swing similar, but I think that's where similarities end. I picked up on a very stiff hoop in both, but the Tour is a fraction softer, and somewhere in the frame, either tip or throat, there's a hint of flex.

    I sensed that the M 3.0 pockets the ball slightly better, as would be expected with the open string pattern, which was obvious with the same string and what felt to be the same tension. But the M 3.0 is definitely stiffer.

    Therefore, the M 3.0, at least for me, launched the ball longer before biting the court, whereas the F 3.0 produced noticeably more revolutions and bit much more quickly. I've always hit more spin with a tight string pattern and more of a driving ball with an open pattern. That's where the stiffness of the M 3.0, and its quick release, had me hitting long. And if I didn't stay on the gas with the F 3.0, my spinny balls were falling short or catching the tape.

    I really like the new frame geometry of the M 3.0 but wish it was in the 62-63 stiffness category, to slow the response down just a bit. Strings may make a difference there; I don't know.
     
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    thanks for your take....I am not sure why nether of these racquets are generating much discussion on these forums. It seems like Dunlop lost a lot of its following the last couple of years. I think the move to the Biomimetic line started this downturn?
     
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  32. tom4ny

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    well we will find out today if your cowboys make it! both ny teams are horrible this year but the jets have the bigger problems. i was always more of a giants fan going back to the 80's. i am not sure about tony romo being the right qb but i always liked the cowboys too!

    i am playing well with the F3.0 no doubt and it is better on defensive shots but i still think that i am staying with my bio 300 tours for now. i just like the very oval head shape and the control. the F3.0 is more powerful. i had been tinkering with lead tape at 2:10 and 3:9 but went back to just covering the dunlop lettering up top. when i tried at 3:12:9 it was too powerful. i also hit again with the frame stock and probably would be fine in most cases just going this route. on my bio 300 tours the lead is needed, on the F3.0 it is not needed.

    they supposedly are coming out with an F3.0 classic with the new materials but the older headshape and frame. i will probably wait and try that one as well.

    i have 2 bio 300's and they feel a little stiffer than my bio 300 tours so it looks like they continued that trend with the new line. i could play with the bio 300 but prefer the 18x20 stringbed and the slightly softer feeling of the tour version.

    happy new year :)
     
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    I tried a few more of the new Dunlops and they ALL have the same impact feeling which I don't really care for. The F and M 3.0, the M 6.0. I don't know how to describe the feel, but it feels like the frame is made of balsa wood or something. It's not a "solid" nice feel, like the previous models had.
     
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    the new frame geometry definitely gives a different feel I agree with you. but the new F3.0 does feel solid to me in that it doesnt feel hollow but it definitely does not have the feel of the bio 300t or 4d versions. you don't get that flex and ball dwell time but the frame is snappier and the stringbed is livelier with the new version. you also get a larger sweetspot on the new version but overall it doest feel as sweet as my bio 300 tour.

    still i have to say that i can hit some great shots with the new F3.0 and that the power level has definitely been increased. i know that you dont like the feel of the new frames but how did you play with them?
     
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    To me the 300 is kinda dead and lower powered, although some may prefer that. I demoed both and to me the f300 is much better.
     
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    Try the Bio 400 Tour with a soft multi. Plenty of feel and power, better than any Babolat I have ever demoed for response. I currently have Rip Control 16 half tension and really great feel to it.
     
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    I played OK with the M 3.0, but was just too turned off by the weird feel. I agree the new frames are more powerful and lively, but that can be gotten with strings and tension adjustments. I also don't agree that the sweetspot is larger, but that could just be my lack of skill. I was really looking forward to the M 3.0 and am quite disappointed in it. Also, why is nobody talking n
    about the M 3.0? 100% of the good comments are all about the F 3.0?
     
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  38. acura9927

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    The Bio 400 Tour with Rip 16 at half tension is the best Dunlop I have tried out of the Bio line and I have tried a lot. Nice controlled power and the Rip String lets you take a nice swing and keep it in play. I had to get adjusted from the the god awful powerful Silk string to low powered RIP, now it feel just right. Great spin and feel.
     
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  39. tom4ny

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    I understand what you are saying and feel is important. Like the Volkl Organix when it first came out I was initially turned off by the feel of the new Dunlop F3.0. It was also generating a loud "ping" sound from the poly strings (which I later found out was string too tight by TW).

    The thing is that my groundstrokes with the F3.0 tour were deep and spinny and I loved how the frame handles hard volleys. It also seemed easier to play with, or more "user friendly" than my bio 300 tour. Still, I was ready to put it aside. Until my hitting partner commented on how well I was playing and how difficult some of my shots were. So that has kept me working with the new frame and I have gotten more used to the new "feel".

    I will try the M3.0 down the road for fun and to compare to my Bio 300. I think that the tour series has been the better frame for the 300 series for the last 3 versions but that is me. The TW review I am sure has some influence as well.

    The new design from Dunlop is not going to be for everyone and if you like the old school feel of the older series then the new series is going to disappoint. At the same time I think that Dunlop has really got something here with a "modern" frame in the F3.0 tour. Any Babolat Aero Storm and even Aero Pro GT user looking for more control and comfort should look at the F3.0 tour. That is who is being targeted with this frame. I think that a 3.0 or 3.5 level player can use it where with the Bio 300 tour I would say better suited for 4.0 and above.
     
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  40. tom4ny

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    well after a month or so of play testing and using the F3.0 tour a lot the past week I have decided to switch to this frame. it is a new feel for dunlop, crisp and fast feeling frame but my shots are better and overall I play better with the F3.0 tour than I do with my modified biomimetic 300 tours. i honestly did not think that i would switch and if I based my decision on feel and my initial impressions I would not but based on the results of the past few weeks it is a no brainer.

    I do believe that this F3.0 tour is an awesome frame. I have gone back to stock form to maximize rhs and the frame is plenty stable for me.
     
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    Yes, I do. And I have a nice 200 Max that I got a sweet deal off the classifieds here at TW.

    Alas, winter has intervened, so I have not been able to hit with it yet.
     
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    I'm thinking about trying the F3.0 Tour out because I'm looking for an 18x20 frame. Tom you seem to know this racquet well. Can you compare it to a Wilson Blade, Head Radical or Bab PSGT?
     
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  43. tom4ny

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    The F3.0 tour is now my frame and I have been fully switched over now since the beginning of the year. I was reluctant to switch because the feel is not what I was used to but I am playing great and switching has impacted my game for the better.

    I can only compare this frame to the older versions of the blade and radical. I have not played with the bab psgt, sorry. The blade has more plow through but the F3.o is faster through the air and hits just as heavy of a ball. It is very easy to accelerate the racket and it is more powerful than the youtek radical (last radical I hit with). These are all great control frames but it is amazing how much spin you get with the F3.0 tour. It is much better than the blade or radical and even the bio 300 tour that I switch from.

    The biggest difference is that the F3.0 tour is a "modern" frame. It lacks the nice feel and ball dwell time of these others frame and there is very little flex though you will feel some if you string at 56 lbs or below. Mine are at 55#. The stringbed is livelier and snappier and you can whip the F3.0 tour fast enabling some very spinny and penetrating shots. In that way it is similar to the bab aero pro drive but it feels better and has much better arm protection. The closest frame to this as far as playability is the volkl x10 295 but with that one I would add some lead, this one is awesome in stock form.

    I like the blade and radical but the F3.0 tour does everything just a little better for me. I almost didnt switch because of the feel but I am glad that I stuck with it.
     
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  44. grom_vam

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    great posts. It is very helpful.
     
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  45. tom4ny

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    just to add to the above: if you swing fast and have a more loopy follow through then you get a heavier ball with the F3.0. If you swing out in front in a more traditional way (hit more flattish) then the blx blade hits a heavier ball. the youtek radical is the flexiest most lower powered of the three. i think that all are great control all-court frames.
     
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  46. ccmtennis

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    I completely agree with tony and number of post here. I also came close leaving this due to its unique feel but although it is muted and feels rather stiff in your hand it somehow does translate to a very comfy ride. Even when strung with a full poly like booklet cyclone 17g it was very nice and great feel for a poly complements this too. Compared to the radical and blades it certainly has more power and spin production. Whippy like a pstgt but has more plow. 3 g of lead at 10 and 2 makes it even better. I am getting another soon but will try it with a leather grip
     
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  47. RollTrackTake

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    thanks for the input. I really want to try an 18x20 that has better control than my 16x19 frames but doesn't sacrifice a great deal of power. I've hit the Microgel Radical and the Donnay Pro 1 18x20 and came away unimpressed. With the Microgel Rad I could swing out and keep everything in the court but power was minimal for me. The Donnay Pro 1 18x20 just didn't feel right.
    So I'm considering the F 3.0 Tour, Blade 18x20, TF 315 Ltd. and the Dunlop Bio 200 Plus. The F 3.0 Tour and the TF 315 Ltd are frontrunners now because I'd rather err on the lighter side SW wise. But I will be demoing the new Blade just to try it out. I may even grab a pink one if there are any left in the next couple days.

    Where would you guys rate the control level? Or how does the control compare with other frames you've played with?
     
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  48. tom4ny

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    Interesting that you did not like the donnay pro 1. What didn't feel right about it?

    The F3.0 tour has the most power of all the frames that you have listed but it also has the best spin of the 18x20 frames above. You might also want to add the TF 305 to your list as well as the Volkl x10-295. The latter is 16x19 but very much a control oriented frame. The Dunlop is the most "modern" of all the frames while the others are more classic in their feel (Volkl x10-295 exception, it is modern as well).

    In my opinion the control on all of these frames is excellent. The Bio 300 tour also had awesome directional control but the upper hoop needs some lead. All of the frames that you list have a consistent response and stringbed. Except for the TF315 and the Volkl I would recommend a 17g string and you should be good to go. It will come down to feel and what best matches your playing style as I think that any of those are excellent choices.
     
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    I probably used the wrong words there. its a comfy frame that feels good/solid. I've found that with 18x20 frames I need to generate more RHS to get the same depth and 'weight' behind my shots. With the Pro 1 18x20 I had a hard time doing that consistently. the 16x19 Pro 1 has so much power I don't have to swing out to hit heavy shots consistently.

    With the TF 315 delayed I've ordered the F3.0 Tour demo along with the Youtek IG Rad MP. I narrowed it down to those 2 to give them each more court time. Not sure if either will convince me to switch & become a believer in 18/20's but who knows.
     
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    Got a chance to hit with an F3.0 Tour tonight. It was strung with Volkl Cyclone Tour at 50lbs. I will echo some of the sentiments already stated in this thread in that the F3.0 Tour has a different feel to it compared to the Dunlop AG 300 i have. In the TW review they refer to it as crisp/muted. To me it felt somewhat disconnected from the ball. Yet once i got used to it I was hitting some really solid balls. I didn't really like the feel of the racquet but I played well with it. The power level was good. I liked the control the 18x20 string pattern offered. Slice serves were really good. Flat serves were good as well. I like the weight and layup of the racquet. The one thing that concerns me is that after playing 2 sets my elbow is is feeling a little discomfort. I'm going to keep testing it over the next 4 weeks to see how it goes. I may try to string it up with a multi around 58lbs to see if i still have elbow pain. Good racquet overall, but its not love at first hit.
     
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