dunlop biomimetic f300 tour vs. biomimetic 300 tour

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  1. LeeD

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    Spec and comments make it appear the F3T is similar in play with the old HeadLMRadMids, which I have two of and dislike the stiff hoop at the top.
     
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  2. tom4ny

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    it is a stiff hoop at the top i think by design to fix some of the issues with the prior model. there is a little flex in the throat of the F3.0 tour and it is very arm friendly but the feel is totally different from prior models. the ball comes off of the strings faster so you do not feel that nice dwell time and you do not get the nice flex of even the bio 300 tour. it is just a different feeling frame that is why i did not want to switch but i could not deny that it plays awesome and is an improvement in that regard.
     
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  3. RollTrackTake

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    What string setups have worked best & worst for you? Morning after my 2 sets and my elbow is still slightly tender. I did mishit several times.
     
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  4. tom4ny

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    are you using the F3.0 or the Bio 300 tour?

    While the F3.0 feels stiffer, I find it to be more arm friendly than the Bio 300 tour. I prefer low powered multi's and really like Isospeed Professional Classic in both of these frames. It is a 17g though so if for more durability but less spin and liveliness there is Isospeed Control Classic. On both frames I do not string higher than 55 lbs as they just seem to play better at lower tensions. I can play with a full bed of co-poly like Kirshbaum PL2 but over months I started to feel it in my forearm when I was lifting at the gym so I went back to Isospeed. On the F3.0 tour I have gone up to 60 lbs and hated it at that tension. It was like a different racket. I prefer the Isospeed to Dunlop Silk. The newer versions of Professional and Control are even softer but may feel too gummy and they initially drop tension. All of these strings should be pre-stretched. That is what my stringer does for me.
     
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    Would you compare the feel of the f300t to that of say a Kblade 98 or blxblade 98? Similar in performance?

    -Jon
     
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  6. tom4ny

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    I have played with the blx blade and it has more plow through but the F3.0 hits with much more spin and has great power. They both serve great but the power from the F3.0 tour comes from racquet head speed. The F3.0 tour is more arm friendly and the string bed is snappier. The BLX Blade feels better and more traditional but also more sluggish. They are both great frames imo and both are control frames but they do play differently. Both hit a heavy ball but the F3.0 has a higher trajectory. The Blade is more stable stock form but the F3.0 is very stable.
     
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  7. RollTrackTake

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    I'm using an F3.0 Tour. I've never used Volkl Cyclone Tour before so I have no history with this string. In my Donnay Pro 1 I mainly use Dunlop Black Widow strung at 56lbs. After reading the TW review of Cyclone Tour I felt safe stringing the Cyclone Tour at 50lbs. Again, I'll try a multi like Rip Control or Premier Attack in a full bed next. If it still plays mediocre I'll give it one more shot with a hybrid.
     
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  8. tom4ny

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    I like PPA a lot and would play with it if I didn't like the Isospeed so much. Cyclone is what I would call a soft co-poly and you did have it strung at what i would call a safe tension also. You will probably do best with a full bed of multi on this frame and you will still get a lot of spin for an 18x20. Sorry to hear that the cyclone didnt work out as it is a good string.
     
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  9. Hominator

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    I string all my F 3.0 Tours with Black Widow at 56 on a crank machine. Plays fantastic for me. I've tried other polys, but none have the power, spin, feel, and comfort as this setup. If you already like Black Widow, perhaps try it in this frame.
     
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  10. Federerkblade

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    any chance of a video of you playing with the frame Tom4ny
     
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    good call. will do
     
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    I do not have a video camera but probably could borrow one. I've never posted a video of myself to you tube and would need to think if I want to do that. Is there something in particular that you are looking to see in a video of me itting with it?

    I hit with an eastern fh and 1hbh and play traditional all court style with more of a flat stroke but my follow through finishes across my body. I am guessing that is where you are going with this. I will look into and think about the video.
     
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  13. Federerkblade

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    the reason is i did just wanted to see how the ball reacts and the sound and trajectory

    i currently use the the pro open would like to change
     
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  14. MrFlynntastic

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    :( Arm Probs with the new f3.0
    Super bummed. Have it strung with poly mains 56 & nat gut X's 54.
    Love the playability of this settup but I have developed medial pain in my elbow. It comes from serving.
    I've tried leading the frame up to 12oz mostly at 10/2 & 9/3.
    Going to try a full bed of gut at 50lbs.
    Any other recommendations?
     
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  15. Federerkblade

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    why not gut main and poly cross
     
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    a few things to consider:
    most players put gut in the mains and poly in the crosses = better feel
    you should string poly 10% lower, not the gut
    your overall tension for 18x20 is quite high

    I'm playing with an 18x20 Blade with gut poly at 52/48. I also just bought a f 3.0 T but didnt try yet.
     
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  17. LeeD

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    I bought a Bio300T couple weeks ago.
    Got to hit 5 groundies with a F3, maybe non tour (not as many strings).
    New racket was much stiffer, especially up high, had tighter strings of course, than my 50, felt heavier with more SW, but swung pretty easily overall, but maybe not as fast.
    I"ve since weighted my Bio3T with 4 strips of 1/4" lead 6" long at 10-2, and 11-1, to match close to a 320 SW. Haven't hit with it yet.
     
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  18. MrFlynntastic

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    Thank you for the advice. Those are the original strings and I was aiming for the mid-range of the suggested tension when I bought it. I will take your suggestion of Gut Main at around 50 and poly X's around 48 or slightly lower. Will report back with results.
    What is suggested tension really worth? Do rackets play sub-par outside of this weight range? 52-62lbs for the f3.0 btw...
     
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    No. I string my racquets at 45lbs full poly and love it. So much easier on the arm and I didn't loose any directional control by moving down in tension. The only thing I really had to get used to was the more dwell time of the ball on the string bed as well as more pocketing.

    -Jon
     
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  20. Broly4

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    Drop the tension, no poly should be strung above 25 kg (55), and in this case the ideal range is 21-23.
     
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  21. tom4ny

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    I played with the Bio 300T for 1.5 years and had the lead spread around the upper hoop from 11-1 and countered with a heavy synthetic grip. I strung with KB Proline II 17g at 55/52.

    When I ordered my first F3.0 tour I had requested it to be strung at 55 again with the KB Proline II but it came in at 60 lbs! The F3.0 was very pingy and felt quite stiff. I could hit a decent ball and the spin was great but I surely was not going to leave my beloved bio 300 tours which had served me well.

    I had the F3.0 restrung at 55 lbs. and it was almost a totally different racket. Gone was the loud ping sound and the ride felt much more plush. My shots were heavier and with more spin than my Bio 300 tours but I still preferred to feel of the Bio version. I continued to hit with the F3.0 tour and tinkered around with lead tape, preferring to have just 2 strips at 10 and 2.

    Proceeded to restring with Isospeed Professional Classic and decided to remove the lead and play the frame in stock form. My hitting partner (5.0) noticed that my shots were more difficult for him and commented that he felt I played better with the F3.0 tour than the Bio 300 tour. He is also top stringer in the NY area, and strings all of my frames for me. So I listen to him. I continued to play with the F3.0 and after a few more weeks made the switch.

    I definitely would not string this frame over 56 I do not care what the spec are. For me it plays great at mid to low tensions. At the upper end it is too stiff and pingy. The ball still jumps off the the string bed at lower tensions but you get better feel and can even feel some ball pocketing though it is not nearly as much as prior versions.
     
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  22. cknobman

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    But this takes most, if not all, of the spin and power advantage you would get from the hybrid setup to begin with.
     
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  23. MomentumGT

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    I demoed the 3.0 tours at Indian Wells this past Sunday and loved it! Groundies and volleys felt amazing with really good control and feel. The demo was strung really high tho...felt like 60+lbs but I was able to adjust rather quickly. Now I kinda regret buying a pair of blade 93's lol

    -Jon
     
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  24. Federerkblade

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    Do ppl feel the grip sizes run small on the dunlop F3. Im finding the standard
    grip feels thin its thickness too. it feels very thin ???
     
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  25. LeeD

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    Bio3T grip runs small also.
    My 5/8th feels more like a 1/2, and even a cushy overgrip feels small.
     
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  26. MomentumGT

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    It does run kinda small it seems. I felt the same thing when I demoed the 3.0tour. My bio200plus 4 1/4 is significantly smaller than my new Blade 93 4 1/4 grip. It didn't take long for me to forget about it tho.

    -Jon
     
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  27. tom4ny

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    yes, the gecko grip is very thin though I believe that the new version is improved in feel. the dunlop grips do run smaller (then Volkl, Head, Kneissl, Babolat) but I have found my F3.0's to be slightly larger than my Bio 300 tours.

    I replace out the grips right away now and replace with head hydrosorb tour grip.
     
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    I replace out the grips right away now and replace with head hydrosorb tour grip.[/QUOTE]

    Tommy and others , when you have replaced with hydrosorb or any other grip to replace the initial primary grip, do you feel the grip is true to size then.
     
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  29. LeeD

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    I've been weighting my Bio300T with 4 strips of lead, 6" each, at 10-2.
    SW must be close to 330.
    Regardless, my old Mfil200's hit a smoother and cleaner ball at the sweetspot. Mf2 SW is around 340, with 15 gauge nylon.
    Might need more lead on the B3T.
     
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  30. tom4ny

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    6 months and my love affair with the F3.0 only grows deeper. Yes, it is a firmer (stiffer) feel than previous models and you have a lively string bed as opposed to that great ball dwell time of prior versions but in my opinion this new F3.0 is definitely an UPGRADE.

    The new Dunlops are different but the ball quality (heaviness and spin) is significant yet you still have great control.

    My biggest gripe is with the cheapo grommets. I have had strings break INSIDE the grommets on 3 occassions! Last night it happened again with a brand new frame and fresh set of strings. It is not from a knot or anything either. I understand that manufacturers look to save money where they can but grommets are $4.95 retail! The plastic on these new grommets is too brittle and poor quality.

    Other than that the F3.0 tour is just a super frame. Not looking back
     
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    There's not a lot of talk on tt regarding the F 3.0 T, but I am very happy to have made the switch from the new Blade 18x20.
     
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  32. tom4ny

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    at the time that I made the switch to the bio 300 tour I also play tested the wilson blx blade, head yt radical, technifibre tf 305, solinco pro 8, and volkl pb9 and x10-295. these are all good frames and I could play with any of them but the bio 300 tour (modified with lead added in the upper hoop) performed the best all around for me, especially on serves and my 1hbh.

    the new F3.0 tour is even better and after tinkering with lead I play now play with it in stock form. I cannot stress the importance of ball quality enough - while feel is important, it is secondary if one is competing at a serious level. also, after you play with a frame for a while you become familiar with all of the nuances. you really can start to enhance your strengths and minimize the exposure of the weaker aspects of one's game.

    arm protection is there even if it is a firm frame. I do not string my F3.0 tours over 55 lbs.
     
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  33. Hominator

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    Tom, I'm also still enjoying my F 3.0 Tours. I think we live in the same area - let's get together for a hit, when I get back in town in May.
     
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  34. tom4ny

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    Mike, glad to hear that you are still enjoying your tours and would love to hit sometime. May looks tough but 2nd week may be ok. My schedule gets lighter in summer. Email me, or I will email you later. Safe travels!
     
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    We are a small group. I don't get it but maybe this Dunlop is just not that popular.

    I'm just getting ready for my clay court summer season and hopefully the 3.0T will still shine. This is my 1st 18x20 in a while and it's stiffer than my previous 18x20s. I still haven't nailed down my optimal string setup, and now I have to deal with the clay.

    The setup in my sig (gut-54/4G-50) is too stiff, so either I go down in tension or put Beast in the crosses (which is a little softer), or play with TCS in the 40s, of some other poly at lower tensions - Silverstring, Cyclone, etc.). I like to get a little more net clearance on clay with heavier spin, but still mostly drive the ball.
    I play mostly with younger players and have to play aggressively to win.

    If I get it right, I'll post back just in case someone else picks up a 3.0T.
     
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  36. tom4ny

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    I agree with you NSP, we are a small group. I tried poly in this frame and though it was comfortable and gave me a bit more spin, I went back to my isospeed professional classic which plays similar to gut in that it is crisp yet soft. I had the poly down in the low 50s and I would go lower, say to 48 if I were to try it again. Other people enjoy the frame with Black widow in the mid 50s but no one I know goes over 56 lbs of tension on this frame. Enjoy the clay courts! I played on those a few summers ago and loved it! Its mostly hard courts here.
     
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  37. Hominator

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    I love Black Widow in this frame, but will be dropping the tension down from 56 to around 52 next time.

    I've had a history of TE over the years and I love that I can play full poly in this frame without any arm pain.
     
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  38. MrFlynntastic

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    TF Black Code mains @ 48lb.
    TF Syn Gut crosses @ 50lb.

    Stoked. Arm pain gone. Ping sound gone. Love hitting with this frame. Mod'd with two 4" strips at 10 & 2, leather grip and 7g in the handle.

    Thank you for the replies to my TE issues. Great resource @ TT. Happy hitting.
     
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  39. yoooki

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    From all the reading, it sounds like this racquet is very different to the biomimetic 300 tour that I'm using. Contemplating whether I should get one or not.

    Has anyone heard of or played with the Dunlop biomimetic F300 Classic? The specs of that one seem more like the biom 300 tour.
     
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  40. LeeD

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    Yooki...
    The main difference is the 320 SW of the F3T, while the Bio3T has a 305 SW.
    Add lead to the upper hoop.
    I've used a F3T for maybe 10 minutes, switching back and forth with my Bio3T weighted to SW of 320, and my 4dAero300's at a SW of 320.
    4D is softest, Bio3T in the middle, and F3T the crispest feeling. The extra width of the head is a difference ,but not neccessarily a positive or a negative. Like Yonex rackets with the square tip heads, it's a + or -, depending on what you prefer. Notice Yonex rackets are migrating towards traditional heads.
    I use my 4DAero300's the most, as I often play with old farts who hit slow weak balls.
     
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  41. yoooki

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    Thanks LeeD,
    My biom300 tour has lead on the hoop, but it's almost a wasted effort cause I have a leather grip and two overgrips on it aswell haha.

    I have an ag4D 300tour aswell. It doesn't suit me though because it feels draggy, especially on high forehands, and you lose the feel of the ball on the strings cause it's so soft, which compounds on the dragginess of the racquet (feels slow and like you're not getting much out of it).

    I tend to not double up on racquets because I don't play enough to justify having two of the same, so was looking for something similar and this biom f300 classic looks like a winner. I think I'll eventually buy an f3.0 tour aswell just for the sake of adding to my series of 300 tours.

    The head width is an interesting point. More used to the streamline tear drop shape so should be an interesting transition. The f300 classic btw has the tear drop shape as in the ag4d and old biom.

    Have a yonex (rdis 100 mid) but don't like it. I think I strung it too loose, but don't feel the need to fiddle/play with it.

    So you have multiple ag4d 300ts do you? aside from feel, were there any differences to the f3.0t?
     
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    Can someone comment on the stock grip size of the f3.0 tour? Does it run slightly bigger as in the case with the bio 300 lines or close to its true size? I have been playing with the 4d 300 tour and contemplating for an upgrade. I bought the bio 300 and found that the stock grip ran slightly bigger. I ended up removing the stock grip and played with two OG's + weight to balance it out.
     
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  43. LeeD

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    My sole Bio300T has a smaller grip than my 4d300's, both 4 5/8th.
    The demo F3T seems to have the same size grip as my two 4d300's.
    Lead at the hoop increases the swing weight, giving you more plowthru and power on most shots, if you swing fast enough.
    Lead at the grip increases the static weight, but doesn't increase SW, so you still don't get the power or the plowthru.
    Those two are different things.
    Draggieness of your 4D has to do with it's 318 SW, while the f3T has the same SW, you just like it better.
    I serve the same with my 4D's or my Bio300T weighted to 320 SW.
    I find my 4D300's are very similar to the new F3T, a little softer in flex, which I like, as I"m old and frail. My 4D's are string with SolincoTourBite 16 at 47 lbs., a touch stiffer than I care for. My Bio300T is strung with Ice 17 at 50 lbs., a little stiff for my liking.
    I have a big serve for anyone under 5.0, often hit wild big shots, don't watch the ball closely, but mainly play doubles in the 3.5 to 5.0 range. I lose interest and can lose to good 3.5's occasionally, and usually hang just fine with 4.5's thru lower lever 5.0's in doubles.
    OK, maybe I don't have a big serve, but I'm lefty with all the lefty spin and flat first serves.
     
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  44. tom4ny

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    The grip size on the F3.0 tour is slightly larger than the bio 300 tour. It is also longer for 2-handers. The new gecko grip is an improvement in feel over the last version but is very thin. Once you replace it with leather or a heavier synthetic you notice that the grip runs slightly large. I like it that way but I use more of an eastern grip and 1hbh.

    The new classic version is not yet available but the specs look closer to the bio 300 tour with the same flex rating. Honestly, it seems the only difference in the new classic is the "upgraded" gecko grip, aero skin, and grommets. None of which is going to change the feel and playability at a noticeable level. I would pick up some old bio 300 tours on discount if you can still find them.

    I still have my bio 300 tours (modified with lead in the upper hoop from 11:00-1:00) and can switch back and forth between them and the new F3.0 which is my main frame now. The biggest difference is between the two is that the F3.0 does not require lead and the feel is much crisper and stiffer. You get great spin and the sting bed is "snappy". I prefer tensions at 55 lbs and below in this frame. With the Bio 300 tour you get a softer feel and increased ball dwell time. Because of it's very oval head shape I have my Bio 300 tours strung at 55/52 and that along with the lead in the upper hoop opens up the sweetspot and firms up the upper portion of the string bed. The F3.0 tour has a larger sweetspot that is higher on the string bed and the upper hoop does not need lead. After tinkering with lead tape for a few weeks I went back to stock and have no problems with handling heavy pace. The F3.0 tour also has a bit more power but both frames serve bombs and are great all court rackets.

    it comes down to if you prefer a more traditional feel or a more modern crisp feel. As you can see in the thread I was reluctant to switch but it was clear that i was playing better with the new F3.0 tour so I made the switch and have not looked back.
     
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    I recently used some TW credit to pick up a used F 3.0 Tour and went with 1 grip size too small because it was $40.00 cheaper than a used one in my preferred grip size. I put a thin layer of athletic/hockey tape 5" up the handle, slightly overlapped and covered this with a Gamma Hi-Tech replacement grip. It turned out to be perfect, so I agree that the grip size seems slightly larger, but it could be the shape, which is perfect.

    To the frame . . . . I demoed it around Christmas with Silk strung too tight, which gave me a few false impressions, but I still almost bought it, having been a former 4D 300 Tour user. I got TW to string this used Tour with Black Widow at 50lbs., two piece, and this is a different frame. All I've done is serve with it and hit volleys to my son, but this is a different animal at lower tensions. I won the only set I played with it back in December, but the tension in the strings seemed to make everything more difficult than it should have been.

    I've been injured and won't be able to compete for months, and considering that my hopes of a London update have been dashed, I think I'm sold on this F 3.0 Tour, but we'll see. It's more stable than my modified Londons in stock form, but I might add a few grams of lead to the hoop, although it really doesn't seem to need it. I've had a hard time putting the London down in the past, but I may have found its replacement.
     
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  46. LeeD

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    Softer tension can account for tons of differences.
    My 4D300 feels much more powerful than the F3T strung around 58, because my 4D's are 10 lbs. softer.
    Originally had planned to buy two MicroGelMids, but I'm a Dunlop guy and the deal came up at the right time.
    F3T feels stiffer than Bio300T, which feels stiffer than 4D300's.
    Old farts need softer rackets, if they want to continue to swing at each shot.
     
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