Dunlop F 3.0 Tour

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  1. Hominator

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    Just took this racquet out for a hitting session and wow, what a nice racquet. Feels incredibly crisp and lively, with little to no shock for such a stiff frame. Hoop is very solid and the frame feels very fast. Control was outstanding, too. The frame seems to reward fast racquet head speed.

    Despite being 18x20, I also found this racquet to be very spin-friendly. In fact, I was getting more action with this racquet than with my Pure Drives or Aero Storms. This is also despite being strung with a multi. Can't wait to try a poly hybrid in this frame.

    Really impressed with this frame - Dunlop has a real winner with this one.

    If you like the power of a Pure Drive, but are looking for a little more control, check this one out. I think you'll like it.
     
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  2. sargeinaz

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    Wow. It really has the power of a pure drive even with the players specs it has? And has no shock to the arm. Might have no choice but to demo this one then even though I never cared for the older dunlops.
     
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  3. kc571

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    I liked it a lot. Not as maneuverable as the xdual. But it has pop control and decent spin.
     
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  4. retrograde

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    I've been demo'ing the F3.0 Tour this week (strung w/ Silk). I was looking for comfortable frames since I get TE on and off and added the F3.0 Tour to the demo order as an afterthought.

    I like it more than the Bio 300 Tour in stock form ... really solid volleying stick, good pop, and more access to spin. Torsional stability is good (check out the F3.0's Twistweight at TW University). I enjoyed serving with it too, not sure why that was.

    It feels fairly stiff to me, but off-center shots didn't punish my elbow like other stiff frames have in the past. Still, I probably wouldn't recommend the F3.0 Tour to those with TE issues.

    Good addition to the Dunlop stable.
     
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  5. Hominator

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    I'll add that I've had TE on and off, to the severity where I've had to take a break from tennis for a couple months a year or so ago.

    The Dunlop F 3.0 Tour gives me no problems with my arm whatsoever. The feel on contact has little shock. Contact feels similar to a Pro Kennex Kinetic 5G - very clean and uniform with no flutter in the hoop at all.
     
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  6. Pneumated1

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    When you say "stiff," are you referring to a more modern feel? If so, how would you compare this frame to either Organix 10? Those are as "stiff" as I could go. Can you compare this to a former Blade? The 5G comparison helps, but I've never thought of that frame as stiff.

    I came to the London from the 300 Tour, and with its discontinuation, I'm interested in this one.
     
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    Hmm, I think perhaps stiff wasn't the right word to use, since stiff has many negative connotations. By stiff, I mean crisp and not flexy.

    Compared to the X10, the Dunlop has a more crisp feel, but its equally arm-friendly. In fact, the uniform hoop response upon contact is very similar. I spent the last 5 minutes or so of my practice, hitting out, just for fun, and I couldn't feel the stick flex at all. Still, my arm felt completely fine.

    Sorry, I've never hit with any Blades.
     
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  8. Pneumated1

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    Thanks for clarifying that for me, Hominator, and sorry for splitting hairs.

    If it's more crisp than the X10s, then I won't need to bother. I have to have some noticeable flex. My choices are severely limited, so I'll try to keep stocking up on my frame.
     
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  9. McLovin

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    For those who have hit with both this and it's 'predecessor', the Bio 300: From the photos, it looks as if the handle is a bit longer. One of my gripes about Dunlop is that the handle is usually shorter than on most frames. Having a 2HBH, I don't like having my top hand off the grip. So, is there more grip on this frame?
     
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  10. tom4ny

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    the grip on the new F3.0T is definitely longer than on the bio 300T and has enough real estate for a 2hbh.

    agree that this frame has a much crisper feel and that the string bed is both livelier and the ball comes off faster than the bio 300T. also agree that shock absorption is very good and the frame is arm/elbow friendly.

    the feel is 300tour blended with babalot aero pro drive. the bio 300T has better flex and ball pocketing but the F3.0T is more stable in stock form and they have definitely fixed the upper hoop problem. still, i have added lead for added drive.

    i am still staying with the bio 300 tour but will continue play testing the new version and tweaking.
     
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  11. SteveI

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    I will be very interested to see if Dunlop produces a new Bio 400 Tour. If they can firm up the upper loop on that frame.. that would really be a nice improvement. I am playing the current version and while I do not hit much in the upper loop it would be great to get an overall firmer feel on the stringbed.
     
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    How does this compare to the:

    - 4D 300 Tour
    - Bio 300 Tour

    (Both of those were quite different sticks despite the specs).
     
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  13. retrograde

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    Measured from butt to the top of the elastic band, its 8". That's about 3/4" longer than my AG 4D 200 16x19.
     
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  14. McLovin

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    Sweet. Thanks.

    This frame just moved into the spring demo lineup, along w/ the Yonex VCORE Tour 97 and the new YOUTEK Speed. Not saying I'm moving away from my X Force Pros, but it will be almost two years with those frames, so I have to at least look at other stuff.

    Besides, I believe if I stick with the same frame for more than two years my membership to TT gets revoked...
     
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  15. JackB1

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    Have to agree with Homi here. I had a loooong demo session with both the M and F 3.0's and they have little to no flex. I thought they felt pretty stiff to me. Nice frames but very noticeable when you miss the sweetspots, which are rather small.
     
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  16. JackB1

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    the new Dunlops are NOTHING like the prior models. Its a totally new mold.
    Definitely stiffer feeling than the X10.
     
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  17. retrograde

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    Same here, I had to take 6 months off a year ago but my elbow still feels tender sometimes.

    I've been playing with the PK 7g for 10 years. In the demo box along with the F3.0 Tour is a PK KI5 315 and Yonex RDIS 200. Hitting with all these yesterday, the F3.0 Tour was the least comfy for me.

    That said, it felt like I was getting easy pace with the F3.0 and volleys felt really solid, even on reaction volleys to a hard drive or when the volley was made below the net at an angle to the racquet face. This would be a good doubles stick for me if my elbow weren't so picky.
     
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  18. JackB1

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    Homi...have you tried the M 3.0 as well? I found the M and F almost identical except for the string pattern.
     
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  19. Hominator

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    No, I haven't. Sorry.
     
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  20. retrograde

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    I only demo'd the F3.0 Tour and have not demo'd the M 3.0, but ....

    After I demo racquets, I like to check on each stick's TW University data to see if they're consistent with what I experienced. The data won't tell the whole story, but any inconsistencies make me want to re-demo to see if I should re-evaluate. Anyways, the two tools I like to use are:

    Power Potential & Sweetspot Size scatter plots:
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/poweruniverse.cgi

    Vibration Frequency:
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi

    Using the above, I can see why the M3.0 and F3.0 seem similar to you, at least to a first order. Their power potential distributions and sweetspot zone areas are pretty similar.
     
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  21. Pneumated1

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    Thanks. It's as I expected then. I'm set for awhile with my Londons, but they'll wear out eventually. I'd like to move into a London-like frame that I know won't be discontinued, but I'll cross that bridge then.
     
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  22. JackB1

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    Why not just stock up now and buy a bunch of them? They're pretty cheap right now at most places.
     
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  23. Hominator

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    Still think it's worth a demo, if you get the chance. Very surprised with the frame.
     
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  24. Pneumated1

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    I've begun to do just that.
     
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  25. Stringers

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    Definitely a stiff frame but did enjoy the action I got with them! Very lively feel for it's specs.

    Something about the frame tho that I couldn't get past, whether it was the stiffness or the shape, couldn't quite place my finger on it, but never felt comfortable hitting with this stick.
     
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  26. Pneumated1

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    I most likely will. If modern trends hold, this F 3.0 Tour may be the "flexible" of the future.
     
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    Hit with the 3.0 F Tour again this morning. I hit one with Luxilon Alu Power Rough and one with Dunlop Silk. I must say, I was really surprised at how much I liked the one strung with Dunlop Silk. The strings didn't move much and the power, spin, and feel were spot on for me. I was quite surprised with how much spin I was able to get. The difference in spin production between the Luxilon and Silk was negligible to me.

    I did, however, hit the black off the strings within an hour. Might be my new string of choice.
     
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  28. JackB1

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    the Dunlops really go well with multis since they are relatively low powered. But I have to say, I didn't like Silk at all....really think there are dozens of better feeling multi's out there. The difference between Silk and something like Xcel is like a mile wide IMO. Yes it is low powered and doesn't move, but that's it for me. No pocketing and give to the string like other multis. Feels like a cheap syngut to me.
     
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  29. Hominator

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    Yeah, I've seen the negative reviews for Silk, but I liked it in this frame. Maybe it's because I grew up on regular synthetic gut and tend to gravitate towards that feel. I strung another one with black Xcel, pretty much my go to string, so i'll get the chance to compare the two soon.
     
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  30. MikeHitsHard93

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    I hated silk as well. Demoed a bio 300t way back and really didn't like the stuff feel of those strings.
     
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  31. kc571

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    Agreed on the Silk. It was almost worth it to string it up the way that I wanted. The racquet was good to hit with, but I hit more unforced errors in matches. That worried me a little. My other demo stick was the Donnay XDUAL. For me, I was able to keep the ball in and win points.
     
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  32. JackB1

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    Silk would be good for someone who doesn't like their multi's to feel like typical multi's (springy, elastic, powerful). Silk is very firm feeling with lower power than most multi's. That doesn't make it bad...just different.
     
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  33. corners

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    Wow, the F3.0 that TWU tested has vibration frequency (dynamic flex) of 138. Most frames that flexible test around 58-62 RDC. The reason why people are reporting that the F plays soft is because it is soft. BTW, C10 Pro has vibration frequency of 137.
     
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  34. retrograde

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    Yes, that's a relatively low characteristic frequency. Along with my F3.0 demo were a Yonex RDIS 200 and PK KI5 315, both known to be comfy racquets. Their frequencies are 136 and 140, respectively.

    My first and second sessions with the F3.0, I felt it was stiffer/less-comfy than the RDIS 200 and KI5 315. During the third session today, the F3.0 didn't feel so bad. I'm chalking it up to strings or a touchy elbow for now.
     
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  35. Hominator

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    Practiced with one of my F 3.0 Tours strung with Babolat Xcel 17 black. The Xcel provided a much softer feel, consistent with what you would expect from a multi. Very soft and powerful. The Silk, by comparison, felt much stiffer, similar to regular synthetic gut, but a tad softer.

    Surprisingly, I think I prefer the Silk in this frame. The stringbed feels very uniform and offers a very quick response. I'm also able to get a bit more control on my groundstrokes with Silk.

    That said, I probably wouldn't pay full price for Silk.
     
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  36. acura9927

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    When do you guys expect the Bio 300 Tour to be under 100 dollars new? I want to get another one, I've searched all over and this is the only racquet made for me to swing away without sailing the ball to the back fence. I was thinking it would go down even lower than 129 on TW but hasn't yet.
     
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  37. themitchmann

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    I hit with it while testing several frames, including the new Head Speeds and Instincts, as well as the Steam 99S.

    The Dunlop was the worst of the group. Very tinny feeling to me. Too light for a "Tour" racquet.

    It's too bad, as I really wanted to like it. I dig the pj, though.
     
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  38. tom4ny

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    like the Bio 300 tour, the F3.0 Tour feels best when strung below 55#'s. When I first got my F3.0 from TW, they had strung it way too tight for me, around 60 #'s even though I had requested 55/52. Anyway, it was like night and day especially with a poly.

    The F3.0 Tour is very stable for it's weight and can handle hitting against hard hitting opponents. I have had no issue with the racquet twisting even on off center shots. It is a fast frame with a snappy string bed and great control. Shock dampening is better than the Bio 300 Tour. The F3.0 has good power but I still added lead from 11:00-1:00 to match my Bio 300 Tours and I like it even better. The Bio 300 Tour's string bed has more dwell time and you feel the flex of the frame more. I understand what Dunlop means when they say that the new version is more "modern" but for my game the more oval head shape and the more traditional feel of the Bio 300 Tour is preferable.

    I like these frames with Kirshbaum Pro Line II and Pro Line X and also with Isospeed Professional Classic and Energetic - all 17 gauge.
     
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  39. Hominator

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    Agreed on all accounts.
     
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    It's odd that the name of the string is "silk", but its one of the stiffest feeling multis around ??? But I agree Homi...it feels like a syngut to me.
     
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  41. JackB1

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    I agree. The 3.0M did have a "tinny" feel for me as well. I also loved the new pj and really wanted to love this frame, but it fell short. On the other hand, I am LOVING the Steam 99s! Very solid feeling frame for its weight.
     
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  42. themitchmann

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    The Steam is much better in the feel department.
     
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    Is the grip size and shape similar to the previous biomimetic range?
    Because the previous versions didn't have much of a buttcap, will probably get a size smaller and build up the buttcap if they are still the same.
     
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    My Bio F3.0 Tour strings

    I am really liking Technifibre X-1 Biphase 17 gauge in this new frame. This has been my go-to string for a couple of years now, and I have yet to find a frame that these strings play better in. This frame seems to offset some control issues I have had with this string in the past in frames including the Bio 200 Tour, Bio 300 Tour, and Bio 200G. With these frames hitting out was a much riskier proposition in terms of timing and racquet face angle than with the F3.0 Tour, and I feel the F3.0 Tour delivers more power than any of these other frames when hitting out. More similar to the Bio 400 Tour (where I used Black Widow), but still more power, and control, and feel, and much more stability.
     
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  45. buffalobill3

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    I use to play with the 4D 300 Tour and am now playing with the F 3.0 Tour. I get just as much control with the F 3.0 as the 4D with more power and I serve really well with it too. I didn't notice a tinny feel with the racquet but I don't play with poly.
     
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  46. tom4ny

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    i don't think that the F3.0 feels "tinny" but I can understand that impression if this frame is strung tight and it certainly does not have the feel of a box beam, but that is by design. The new frame geometry and "true oval" head shape is meant to create a "modern" racket where the ball comes off the strings fast and shots are more powerful. Feel is intentionally compromised that is why there will be a classic series as well.

    I agree that there is good power for a lighter players frame. Add a little lead along the upper hoop and it is even better.

    Interesting comment on X-1 Biphase. I like that string also but did not like it in my Bio 300T as it was too lively compared to the lower powered Isospeed strings that I am used to. It may be something to try again in the F3.0 Tour.

    The grip is similar to the Bio range but they inproved on the tackiness and it is not as tacky and more comfortable. Also, the grip is at least an inch longer now for those with a 2 handed bh. The butt cap size seams the same to me.
     
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  47. themitchmann

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    I tried it with a full bed of Silk. I was really surprised it felt so bad.
     
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    Too bad the new version doesnt have the old school Dunlop feel..
     
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  49. JackB1

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    That's the whole idea...they are going for a more "modern" feel.
     
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    Yeah I totally agree with you. I think this is a definite "game changer" for any like me who was not even a dunlop fan. Everything from a small sweet spot to the frame shape and feel was appealing even with their new line. This is a real sleeper and absolutely fantastic with some added weight in the upper hoop. Too bad it doesn't have the mass appeal of Babolats or wilson but I think this is a welcomed addition and won me over. I never thought I would even like a 18x20 pattern and I was coming from the BB london and occasionally APDGT
     
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