Discussion in 'Strings' started by o0lunatik, Jun 24, 2013.
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I'm warming to this Dyreex Black Edge string.....but as a hybrid.
I strung up a Wilson Juice Pro (96/16x20) this time as a hybrid with synthetic gut crosses (52/54 CP). There's slightly less spin than with a full bed of Dyreex but I preferred the performance of the hybrid over the full bed because the Dyreex seems to have a bit of a rubberised, slightly dead feel to it which I think makes it harder to 'feel' the ball on the strings. The synthetic gut seems to improve the feel of the stringbed whilst adding forgiveness. There was good 'repulsion' of the ball off the stringbed if you know what I mean. I actually found I had more confidence to rip the ball using it as a hybrid because I could feel the ball more on the strings.
The Dyreex string also leans towards being a firmer poly. Not necessarily arm unfriendly but firmer than the equivalent gauge Dunlop Black Widow, Volkl Cyclone, and Genesis Black Magic, though its not as firm or unbending as Weiscannon B5E. However, its not a crisp feeling string like Lux Alu. Firmer but with a slightly rubberized feel which some people may or may not like. Good spin to though and decent control provided you string it sufficiently high. As as full bed I didn't like it for touch shots or volleys because of that slight rubbery feel but it seemed fine as a hybrid. Good spin to it and good string from the baseline - it encourages you to take a rip at the ball. I don't think its any miracle string but its something different to what's currently out there.
PP sent - looking forward to the string. Will cross it with a nice round poly
I purchased and received a reel last week. I strung a racquet at a lower tension and played several games with it. At first it felt strange but I got use to it. I play to string another racquet at a higher tension to see what it does. So far I like it. By the way, I purchased the string direct from Dyreex
Traik - what tensions did you try both at?
finally came yesterday, gave it to my friend to string up at 53lbs full bed.
putting it in my new frame (pc600), so i'll hold my opinion till i use my regular racket
Got a set on the way - thanks Torres!!
Will hybrid them in my Hi-Ten clone Woodforde racquets
I played last night in my TC100 strung at 55.
It's a strange string!
My serve was really on last night and it have me great power serving flat and really excellent control and spin on my second. That aspect really impressed me.
My ground strokes were a bit hot a cold. Played some stunning strokes that felt brilliant off the strings and dipped into court at the last second, and then other shots that simply felt dreadful off the racquet and trickled into the net. It was odd that some shots had wonderful feel, and then others that you think you hit well felt terrible.
I'd probably string closer to 50 next time, it was a bit stiff at 55.
Overall I'm not 100% convinced yet either. I'll definitely string lower and see. I also have a TC95 strung at 50 which I didn't hit with so will see how that goes.
I'd still rate the Yonex PTP as a more enjoyable string to hit with....at the moment. I didn't like that on my first hit either ;-)
I'm still not sure about this string either. It's not a wild or lively string, but more of a slightly deader, control orientated offering after the initial couple of hours. It seems to get a bit deader, and lower powered the more you hit with it.
That said I was thumping good flat serves with it this evening in a synth gut hybrid. Just goes to show every string is a compromise. A firmer string and you can hit with abandon. A livelier string, more action but increased likelihood inconsistency. I'd be interested to hear what others make of it. It may be more suited to more powerful sticks or more open patterns.
I think I might hybrid it with ZX next - ZX seems to liven up anything whilst maintaining a good amount of spin and a comfortable crispness.
I'm afraid, you've lost me as someone whose posts I would want to rely upon in future. Alu is not is dull feeling. It's beautifully crisp feeling, certainly when freshly strung. RPM is not 'dull' feeling either. Yonex PTP is muted but in the sense of a lack of direct feedback on contact with the ball. I'm definitely not of the view that Dyreex string has a 'super' feel -though I'm not exactly clear what you mean by 'super'. Not sure that I agree with you that 'the hype is real' either.
It's you're not your. You might want to revisit your view as to who's 'retarted' here...
And stop being so defensive. Your comments about other strings are so off base, I just can't take you seriously. All the hype seems to be mostly generated by you.
Open patterns you say? The string you sent me will be going into one of these
^ You like your open patterns v-verb!
Absolutely! Besides my old Pro Staffs, the Hi-Ten variants are all I'll use going forward.
My Snauwaert Hi-Tens are being put away to be used on special occasions. My Snauwaert ATPs and my Wilson HyperCarbon Pro Staffs (specially made for Mark Woodforde) will be my daily players.
Disappointed with the performance longevity of this string. Performance has really tailed off after 5 hours in my 16x20. Feels even deader, majority of the spin has gone, strings moving about all over the place etc. Tension maintenance seems poor. Every outing I've had with this string, and the stringbed firmness has been different each time.
I'd hazard a guess that it's performance will last slightly longer in an open pattern. A less dense drill pattern will probably make the loss of the spin and increasing deadness less noticeable.
I use silicone spray each time before I play. I got over 23 hrs on a Steam 99S with Lux Monotec Super Poly 16L with no loss of playability or spin. Hoping that I can get more than 5 hrs on the Dyreex.
I'll let you know when I get it and string it up - thanks again!
Got my string today - thanks! 6 days from across the pond is pretty quick! Will sting it up soon and report back next
Thanks again - leaving a reference for you in that section!
I ordered mine from the bay because the shipping costs of the dyreex official website are just ridiculous.
I received it and strung it yesterday but I'm wondering if it's the real deal..
Isn't this string supposed to be hexagonal? Or 5 edged? I do not really notice the edges, at least not as much as for example MSV Focus Hex.
The seller is listed on the dyreex official website:
The edges are not that sharp and difficult to feel. If you make a cross section you can see it's not round. Just started using the string and like it.
It was nice to see that last week a Dutch distributer was added to the distributer list so was able to avoid the shipping price from France.
Yeah it's legit. It definitely doesn't have a real sharp edge on it, but Jin is the official distro in Oz so it is the real thing.
I just can't play consistently with this string and it is coming out. I'll go back to yonex ptp which I loved.
So I strung an angell tc100 @55lbs and a tc95 @50lbs. Both tensions I feel we're too high and I'd probably string the tc100 around 46lbs next time.
I hit some brilliant shots with them, but I never felt like I had a decent level of control. I could pull some good amounts of spin from them, but my shots were very inconsistent and what felt good one minute would feel completely foreign the next.
I'm sure for some people this will be a great string but I don't think it's for me.
Ah tnx. I just don't see how this string would produce more spin than lets say MSV Focus Hex. The edges are not nearly as sharp.
There's something fishy about the hype of this string . But who knows.. I'll find out for myself next weekend.
I also strung it @ 50lbs. Usually I string my Rad IG MP @ 48lbs, but since everyone's saying it's so powerful I cranked it up 2 pounds.
Definitely some rotting sardines going on with some overly effusive posts in this thread!
My opinion is that DBE (like ALU, Tour Bite) is best fit for advanced to very advanced 5.0+ players. Those who generate very high racket head speeds benefit the most from it. Kind of like Pro V1x golf balls for those who have club head speed of 110+ MPH. For the rest of us mortals, we are better off with Yonex PTP, Cyclone, etc.
This thread is starting to sound like that Ltech thread where some were trying suggest that if people didn't like it they simply weren't good enough to use it.
Strange how Alu plays well at all levels whether you're hitting fast or slow, hard or soft....
Anyone can use whatever string he wants. But being realistic and knowing one's limitations may be wiser. I'd love to play with DBE full bed or Ltec 0s/4s but I don't have very high racket head speed and arms of steel.
"Strange how Alu plays well at all levels..." No, just no. Last thing tennis needs is courts full of 3.0 grandmas with tennis elbows who can't get the ball past the service line using ALU.
No one's talking about 3.0 grandmas as no '3.0 grandma' uses Alu.
Alu plays well whether you're ripping the ball or feathering it, whether on its a delicate drop volley or a 70mph FH, whether you're trying to cut the ball or hitting flat. It produces a very clean, consistent ball off the strings based on the type of shot you're hitting.
Black Edge doesn't even come remotely close. It's rubberized feeling and crude in comparison. It's not terrible but it is a very generic poly and more like a Pros Pro type offering just at a rip off price.
i used this 2weeks ago but in my new racket (pc600), 1st time using the racket and i didn't know for a small head size it a bit powerful.
used it for like 3 hrs- at 54lbs, found it too powerful( flat hitter), my serves kept going long along with ground strokes, but what i really like about it was slicing with it especially drop shots felt great.
But my 2nd serves i couldnt do kick serves (but thats probably down to racket- pc600 just for flat serves).
Hopefully i try this in my usually racket (tgk237.1) which had tour bite(52lbs), soon 54lbs- as my tgk is muted compared to the soft pc600.
Based on the reviews, I can pass on this string. It came out really hyped but enough people have given their reviews, that I can move on to another string.
If anyone wants to try some and make up their own minds, I'm very happy to split the rest of my reel at cost price and send out to people ($16inc postage from Europe).
Torres for how much inc shipping would you sell the rest of the reel? That is if I like it... I live in NL
^ If you like it and want the rest of the reel, drop me a PM, and I'll do you a good price ;-)
I'm quite happy to sell some lengths of black edge here in Australia too. Reel has 10-12 lengths on it. Will sell as reel too. Drop me a msg if interested.
I hit with this string and AluP in two identical racquets this evening.
There's just no comparison.
Even though the Alu had lost a fair amount of tension it still played well. The ball goes exactly where you want or expect it go with 'volume knob' control of that power. You can absolutely rip the ball or play the most delicate of drop shots - and everything in between - and the ball comes off the strings in exactly the way that you want it to. Hit big and flat to finish the point? You got it. Bleed off the pace on the ball half way through a rally? You got it. Try and pin your opponent back behind the baseline? You got it. In fact, the harder you rip the ball, the better it seems to play. Controlled power with a capital 'C' and 'P'. There are grabbier strings out there (PTS springs to mind), but that's not really the point of AluP. It's directional precision and control coupled with a good dollop of power is second to none.
The Dyrex string plays differently with each outing. When its fresh off the stringer, its fairly powerful and spinny with a mechanical springy feel to it. When fresh, it plays a bit like BHB7 but firmer. However, with increased hitting on the strings, playability starts going downhill. The power reduces, the spin reduces, it becomes more inconsistent and deader feeling with dead 'rubberiness' starting to appear quite quickly. At that point its playing nothing like what it was when fresh. Playing delicate shots becomes much more difficult as the ball seems to come off the stringbed in a way that you don't expect. Volleys become less consistent. It has a very noticeable 'on/off power' response except that you eventually get to a point where you find that you're forced to absolutely bash the ball to smithereens just to get anywhere and forget about playing a more varied type of game. It becomes very one dimensional in terms of its characteristics.
If you're known down at your club as Billy Baseline Basher, built like the Incredible Hulk, or have one of those very open 'spin effect' racquets, this string may appeal. For anyone else, I can think of more versatile or more well rounded strings. $17 for AluP or $16 for this? I know which one I would choose.
So.. I just tested this string and I'm going to write a small review but for the ones that don't want to read it:
I can see why some players are impressed, but for the price it didn't quite impress me.
Anyway the review:
I played a doubles match today for approximately 2 hours so I can't rate the tension maintenance or durability.
Setup: Head Radical IG MP strung @50 lbs on a drop weight machine.
Power: Since I made the switch from my APD to the Rad MP I always missed the power the ADP had. I've tried making the the Rad heavier for extra plow through, but it just made it to heavy for me to use. This string definitely solved that problem, but in a weird way.. The string in very powerful on slow swing shots. For example drop shots or shots where I was a little late and didn't have time to move my racquet backwards for extra racquet head speed. BUT when I swung my racquet as fast and as hard as I could it didn't feel all to powerful to me. The string seemed to absorb the ball impact and didn't propel it back out as hard as I expected. It still was powerful, but not much more than a regular poly strung at same weight. This might be the unpredictable aspect some players experience when hitting with this string.
My serves were faster a tad faster as well but sometimes sailed long. Maybe a matter of getting used to the little bit extra power?
Still I gave it a good grade because the power on slow swing shots saved my *** alot of times.
Control: Now this is where it gets weird. When hit at the sweet spot the directional control was spot on, but the change in power on slow and fast shots was hard to get used to. I had a very hard time controlling the depth so I had to be very consistent with the speed I hit the shots with to get the ball where I wanted it.
Feel: As said before by others the string bed feels quite soft and springy. I actually enjoyed the flexy mushier feel more than a solid harsh crispy feel which I'm used to. I usually play with a full bed of MSV Focus HEX or Pro's pro black out @48 lbs. Although I never had any arm problems and didn't care about the harshness of my string bed, I really enjoyed this soft, springy and lively feel of this string.
Spin: Spin was good but not great. I get more spin from my usual strings. Not much to say about this part.
Comfort: For a poly amazing and soft. Though I did only string it @50lbs.
Tension maintenance: n/a
Durability: I've only played for 2 hours but I did notice some slight notching already. So my prediction is that it's not going to last very long
^ Always good to have another view. Would be interested in what you think of the string at 3-5 hours of hitting on a 2nd and 3rd hitting session, and whether you think its characteristics change / have changed during that time.
Looks like they've decided to reformulate it and are bringing out a new version called 'Black Edge Evo' next month.
Whats your source?
I saw an ad for Evo on Facebook, from Dyreex. Available December from memory.
Not liking this string, played doubles and singles with it on my tgk at 52 lbs then 47 - both full bed.
Power -very powerful for a poly imo - this was it best feature , but i don't need a power string, as i can comfortably produce my own on serves and groundtrokes - I'm a flat hitter who hits very deep. 8.5/10
Control - Identical to what gebruikershaes typed. When i swung fast (good amount of control), but when i swung slow - ball flew way long (like a trampoline affect) - slow swings had no ball bite what so ever. 6.5/10
Feel - Very soft string - will not cause arm problems, but it had no feedback on most strokes, (only time i could feel the ball on my string bed was- backhand slices. Prefer crispy strings.6.5/10
Spin - Good but i was expecting more, (i had tour bite 17 previously) but i will say i do not generate much spin on my strokes, but when i gave this to my friend who plays with alot of spin - he really enjoyed it and he was getting alot of spin7pop (first time he enjoyed playing with my tgk). 7/10
Comfort - Very very soft for a poly, but too soft for me, should not give you arm troubles at all 9/10
Tension maintenance - Played with it for 6hrs, still soft and hasn't stiffened up (which torres suggested)
My review above is when i tested it at 47lbs, preferred - gave me more pop
I would not pay for this string (£11.53) - too expensive and strings like poly tour spin/ mosquito bite/ scorpion are way better and cheaper.
String reminded me of prince beast <1st edition, in terms of it has all the characteristics of power/spin/control - but beast is more superior (especially spin&control), and significantly better string.
Black edge just doesn't give you enough consistency - this is because i couldn't feel the ball on my stringbed, I wouldn't buy this/ nor even want to try it again.
Having tried another set of the string since my last post, if I was being polite, I'd say this string is mediocre at best. If I was being completely honest, I think this string is pretty grim as well as being a complete rip off given the amount of money which they're asking for it (14 Euros for a set + 14 Euros P&P). Like you, I don't have any inclination to play with it again. I don't like it.
Can't say I'm exactly thrilled at having bought a reel of stuff based on the OTT comments at the start of this thread....
If anyone wants to try it, drop me a PM as I'm happy to sell the rest of my reel at less than the cost price of a reel, or split it into sets, together with free P&P.
After 6 more hours with this string I finally cut it out. I can honestly say that this is the #1 ****tiest string I've ever used.. After about 6 hours it totally lost it's feel, which I liked the most about this string when it was fresh. To see if I wasn't delusional I gave it to a friend and didn't say a word. After a few strokes he gave it back saying: I can't even feel the impact of the ball. Did I hit it?
After 8 hours it was just **** in all aspects but the power. The power was still somewhat there.
And this is the FIRST string in my life that gave me elbow issues.. (@23kg Head IG rad) Even Lux Alu @26kg in my stiff Aeropro drive GT didn't manage to do that. Maybe because of the power I altered my strokes and messed up my swing, I don't know. All I know is that I won't ever be using this string again.
I got similar case just like gebruikershaes
Our groups bought few sets to try it because of the hype.
when freshly strung, everyone said wow...i can feel the power...bla bla.
But after that, some said rubbery, some said no feeling.
I was the last one in the group to try it.
I agree, after few hours I felt no touch and problem with my elbow. I thought it could be heat wave in Australia that cause dehydration and sore muscle.
Tried again and got the same result...immediately switched to my other racket with Alu power...the elbow problem just gone...
I'm not a person that really care about dead poly after few hours hit...but for this particular brand, I do care because it hurts my arm.
unless is very cheap so that I afford to cut it every few hours, I won't buy it.
Just wondering why this string cause arm problem....
Do you know where I can buy this string ?
You can have the rest of my reel for less than cost price.
Dryex does in so many forums guerilla marketing.
It got lame after a year or so, maybe earlier.
If you go on their website and click on "Where To Buy" near the top of the page, it brings you to a page with retailers across the world. At the bottom there is one for the US. I am not sure if the rules here allow you to post an outside store, even though TW doesn't sell the string, so let me know if you need more information.
Any try the Whirl edition of this string?
"17 for AluP or $16 for this? I know which one I would choose"...
Except the price of BE is only 9$ on the Dyreex official website ;-)
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