Each era's or decade's David Ferrer?

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  1. Onehandedbackhand

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    Just asking.

    Who was that guy in each era or decade...90s, 80s, 70s, etc..that won just about every smaller tournament in existence, won a good amount of 500s, got a shield or two, and had a good showing in every grand slam, but just couldn't QUITE get over the hump against the big boys?
     
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    Does Michael Chang count, even though he won a slam, was super close to achieving the #1 ranking, and won 1000s?
     
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    IMO, even one Slam takes him out of the equation. The whole point is that Ferrer "can't get over the hump", which Chang did, albeit only once. Plus, Ferrer has not even made a Slam final, as where Chang made 3. Plus 7(!) masters titles.

    I'd vote for Alex Correjta as a possible candidate.
     
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    What about Harold Solomon, would you say he was of the same mold, a 70's gritty grinder that he was?
     
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  5. Devilito

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    Chang was in a different league than Ferrer. Ferrer does nothing better than Chang.
     
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    Yes, Harold Solomon came to mind to me, also.

    Brian Gottfried -another thread reminded me of him.
     
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  7. Onehandedbackhand

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    What about Brad Gilbert?
     
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  8. NadalAgassi

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    Joakim Nystrom in the 80s perhaps.

    Wayne Ferreira or Tomas Enqvist in the 90s.
     
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    I was thinking of Todd Martin for the 90's
    Made 2 major finals but never won a masters (only one final at one) and all of his titles were small events.
     
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    Solomon, Gottfried do fit the bill......also Eddie Dibbs and Jose Luis Clerc

    Clerc was solid top ten and stayed at No.4 for some time and has 25 titles and just never won a slam.

    Gerulaitis and Tanner are also prefect EXCEPT they both won the AO in 1977 - such a freaky year and the event was soooooo weak.....but still it's a slam.
     
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    Eddie Dibbs was a grinder.........Sollie was the prototypical Moonballer. Freaking perfected it - I remember first seeing him at Rice in 1971 and 72 when I was a kid -
     
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    You cannot compare Gerulaitis and Tanner to mediocre Ferrer.Ferrer compares to Nystrom,Clerc,Fibak,Okker,Dibbs,Solomon,Higueras,Barazzuter at most.

    The two americans are in another league.They beat constantly all time greats which ferrer is unable to even dream of, the little midget.And Vitas also won Dallas, a much better title than the AO he also won in 78.Can you imagine Ferrer doing to Borg what Tanner did?
     
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    Mediocre Ferrer? You on drugs?

    No number 4 is mediocre, and if we want to go that far, no number 5 is either.

    Ferrer beats EVERYONE but the top 3. Even he and Andy Murray are neck and neck.
     
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    Ferrer at number 4 ( and longtime ago) is just the best proof of how extremely weak this era is.
     
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  15. Onehandedbackhand

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    No, it proves that work ethic is a big factor.

    This is an era where 6'6" guys like JMDP move like gazelles, and they have the racket technology and the power...and with the exception of the top 3, he beats them all regularly, including Del Potro, who gives Fed fits.
     
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    this ....

    on top of it ....... ferrer at no 4 since long time ago ? since when ? he only became #4 after this year's AO .... that's not even a month .....
     
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    @ bold part, no, just no .....ferrer is superior to murray on clay, but that's about it ...
     
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    Doesn´t matter.he´s been number 5 for so long.If Ferrer played in the golden era, one can imagine two things: either he wouldn´t make top 20 ( most likely)...or there´d be no tennis anymore¡¡¡
     
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    Ferrer was #4 in 2008 also. He's been between 4-6 for a good long time now.

    And the last two hardcourt matches were both 6-4 7-5 and 7-5 6-4 with them splitting it. Things have been closer on hardcourt, but being honest, the head to head can change with this newfound Andy Murray. Remember that it was 5-6 between Ferrer and Djokovic at one time also.
     
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    Ferrer in golden era would be top 15-20, but that's still not insulting knowing who was in that golden era.
     
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    you do realise ferrer has beaten all of nadal, djokovic, murray multiple times ?
     
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    pretty sure dibbs, solomon etc were top 10 even in the 70s and ferrer is a wayyyyy better player than them off clay .......

    so no, this is a fail post ......just like many of the others ....
     
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  23. Onehandedbackhand

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    Think this boy fails to realize that he wins titles on every surface.
     
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    there were not many hc events then, but Solly played Vegas finals twice and Dibbs was dangerous indoors, playing the WCT finals and Masters semifinals.Again, you fail.
     
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    what surfaces? it´s all clay courts, just painted in blue, red,green ( grass¡¡¡)
     
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    Keep making excuses, fail machine. Daveed's #8 among current players in titles with 20. That's not mediocre.
     
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    and ferrer was in the finals of the masters in 2007 ....... beating nadal, djokovic, roddick, gasquet ; was in great form then ... also reached the SF in 2011 ...

    but then obviously you have no clue ......

    dibbs reached the WCT finals in 78 only because connors wasn't there and borg withdrew from the semis .. if connors was there & borg healthy, the draw would've been different and he'd have lost to either borg or connors or gerulaitis before the finals ....
     
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    yep, explains why federer is 8-6 vs nadal off clay & 2-12 vs him on clay

    explains why djokovic is 12-7 vs nadal off clay and 2-12 vs him on clay

    explains why roddick hasn't gotten past 4R at the FO and has 3 finals and a semi at wimbledon ...

    enlightening indeed .... :lol:
     
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  29. Onehandedbackhand

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    And if Daveed hits semis of Wimbledon this year, that's all four slams he'll have hit semis. Solomon never made it out of the first round of Wimby.
     
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    Courts are much more similar now.anybody can make a double Paris/London while in Borg´s time it was epic.You should know thta if you are up in tennis.
     
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    And if you are up in tennis, you know how hard it is for anyone to win 20 titles, especially in this day and age, where there's more parity.

    He's 4...he deserves it.
     
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    I never questioned he deserves n1 4.I just said it speaks volumes of " how tough" this era is.

    In current era, Underrated Kodes would be a planet´s superstar.
     
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  33. Onehandedbackhand

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    I'm just asking...how is he medicore if he keeps beating everyone else? Not like he gets shelled to hell by top ten players. Even eats 6-10 guys for lunch.

    Mediocre would be Cilic...9 titles in vultures, barely gets past 2nd or 3rd rounds anywhere else.
     
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    borg's 3 channel slams are indeed special ...

    are the courts more similar than in the past ? yes ... but are they close to being the same ... nope ...

    and only federer/nadal have the done the FO/wimby double recently ... are they "anybodys" ? :lol:
     
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    The grass court version of Ferrer, in the 1980s, is Tim Mayotte. He also was unable to get past the top guys. He reached the QFs or better six times at Wimbledon.
     
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    Another Tim too... Henman.
     
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    Mecir has a similar profile...playing in an era of several multiple slam winners without winning any of the big titles; got to two finals so he's a bit ahead of Ferrer there but behind him in total tourney titles; got to #4 in the world.

    From a personal perspective, I enjoyed watching the Big Cat a lot more than I do Ferrer. He was quite a crafty player!
     
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  38. vive le beau jeu !

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    i think gilbert's slam results are really too poor compared to ferrer's:
    only 2 slam QF (both lost) vs. 5 slam SF + 5 slam QF (at all slams)

    gilbert is one of 5 players (along with mayer, forget, robredo and blake) to have been ranked in the top4 without ever reaching a slam SF in their career.

    year-end top10:
    - 2 for gilbert: #6 in 1989, #10 in 1990
    - 4 for ferrer: #5 in 2007, #7 in 2010, #5 in 2011, #5 in 2012
     
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  39. Moose Malloy

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    and James Blake
     
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    Vitas to me would be the Ferrer of his time.

    Not because of any similarity in their games but as a guy who was right behind the elite of his generation but the gulf between him and JMac, Borg and Connors was huge just as it is between Ferrer and the Big 4.
     
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    wake me up when Ferrer has a comparable record.Clueless post.
     
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  42. vive le beau jeu !

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    of course ! :)
    thx, corrected.
    (how could i forget him... he's my favorite of this list !)
     
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  43. Onehandedbackhand

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    Vitas: 510-221
    Daveed: 505-248
     
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    Vitas: an AO, a WCT title, RG F, USO f, two Masters F, two W semis, One RG semi, One WCT semi, two USO semi, beat Connors and Mc Enroe back to back at the 1979 Masters, played against Borg a classic five setter that many consider to be the greatest match of all time, even surpassing the Laver-Rosewall epic match of 1972.Won Rome twice, beating in one of the finals Vilas, in what was the longest ever cc match, won the very prestigious WCT Forest Hill baggeling Mc Enroe in the last set, ...

    Sorry, Ferrer is in another league.A bit better than Solomon or Dibbs but that´s it.
     
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    Vitas: 25 titles
    Daveed: 20 titles

    Vitas 0-17 vs Borg
    Daveed: 0-14 vs Federer

    Oh yeah, Daveed's got a shield himself.

    They are in the EXACT same league...quit fooling yourself.
     
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    Most hilarious post I have ever read.Comparing Gerulaitis and Ferrer is like comparing Deep Purple with Justin Bieber.Yes, they both make some sounds, but....
     
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  47. Onehandedbackhand

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    Dude, you aren't even making sense.

    Ferrer would've been top 20 in the golden era, which is nothing to sneeze at. You criminally underestimate him.

    And there are many more ways that those two are equal.
     
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    Ferrer would be top 20, yeah, lie Tomas Smid or John sadri.

    I can assure you that women will never think both are equal...
     
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  49. Onehandedbackhand

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    That I'll give you, although Ferrer's not a bad looking guy.

    Vitas was man about town...Daveed's boring as primer.
     
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    I do think vitas was a bit better, better all-round player, but the difference isn't that much ....
     
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