Eagnas Challenger vs Silent Partner e-Stringer

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  1. Revman

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    I've been stringing for several years on a Silent Partner e-stringer, which has served me well but is showing its age (flying clamps slipping, occasional erratic pulls, retainers cracking, etc.). I'm considering replacing it with an Eagnas Challenger 1. Can I expect the switch to a dropweight to go smoothly? I realize the Challenger should offer more consistent results -- fixed clamps and gravity and all that -- but will stringing with the Challenger take significantly longer than it does on the e-stringer?
     
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    Anyone? Basically I'm looking to find out if stringing-time will take significantly longer on the Challenger.
     
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    All I can say is that a well-built dropweight machine is vastly superior to a cheap electric machine as far as stringing quality and durability go.
     
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    I wouldnt say significantly longer, but yes it will take a little longer. IMO its worth it for the constant pull, and fixed clamps.
     
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  5. Il Mostro

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    Why not upgrade to a SP drop weight with fixed clamps? Eagnas is bad ju-ju, even if there is nothing particularly wrong with their million+ and still counting models.
     
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  6. hollywood9826

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    You pay 380 for this

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    or for 300 you get this

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    Better clamps, better bases, better gripper on the Challenger. For less cost you get a better machine. I have never used the Hip Hop but my challenger 1 is great no complaints
     
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  7. smirker

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    I am about to purchase a challenger (pro's Pro Challenger in the UK) and have a question re the tensioning system. In order to pull to the reference tension do you need to get the lever horizontal to the floor and if so is there an easy way of achieving this?

    I am tempted by one of the automatic Stringway dropweights but can't really justify the cost bearing in mind this will be my first stringer.

    how easy is the Challenger to use and what is the benefit of the ratchet system?

    Sorry for all the questions but I want to make sure I make the right choice although £180 vs £440 (minimum) might help make the choice for me.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    The ratchet system makes it easy to achive the horizontal rod. Basically you slide the string in the liner gripper lower the rod.

    If the string is too tight then you have to raise it again with more slack and re-lower. If it is too loose then you just lift the rod back up (ratchet) tension is maintaned as string is still in the gripper. then you lower the rod again. At that point it is usually horizontal, but you can keep ratcheting until it is. The ratchet saves a little time and hassle IMO.

    With non ratchet systems, if you dont hit horizontal on first shot you have to remove the string from the gripper and retension till you hit horizontal. After 4 frames you will get the hang of it and not even have to use the ratchet part hardly at all.

    Id say if you are stringing for yourself only the Challenger is more than enough and saving of almost 3 hundred you said it yourself.
     
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    Do you need to hold the gripper when lifting the weight to "drop" again? or does the ratchet system keep the string taught if you lift the weight up with 1 hand?
    I'm looking at the same model as you smirker - if you go for it be sure to post your experiences :)
     
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  10. Il Mostro

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    I cannot argue that the Challenger doesn't look nice, especially for the lower price, but the 12:00 & 6:00 "towers" look patched together and the side mount adjustments are no great shakes. Especially the extra two adjustment knobs. The base looks bigger, though, if that is important to you. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Thanks HW for the insight. I couldn't picture just what the ratchet achieved but I see now. This is the major upgrade over the Challenger 2. My head says Challenger 1 but my heart says SW ML100! My wife and bank balance definitely say Challenger!

    Sure thing ,will do. I will probably have to convince my parents to buy it as a Xmas present (Iam 34 btw!) as funds do not permit purchase right now but as and when I get it I will post my experiences as a firt time stringer owner


    Mostro, I totally see where you are coming from and if money was no object I would plump for the SW in a heartbeat. unfortunately with a young family to support and bills to pay etc I have to compromise. The company I am buying from has a three year warranty on this machine so whilst I appreciate the mounts etc might not be of the highest quality they should be ok for a part time stringer mainly doing his own frames. If not I have peace of mind that i can return the machine. Thanks for the heads up though.
     
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  12. princemidplus

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    Challenger experience

    hi guys. just some experience i have had with the challenger 2 (pro's pro version in uk without ratchet system). bought the machine couple months back and had no problems so far. very easy to learn with. strung about 20 frmaes so far with this machine - mostly mine but also some good club players i play with in upper mens league.

    able to get consistent results and nothing worn or broken so far. very pleased with machine and it has been worthwhile spending the £150 on it so far.Even if I only string my own frames it works out much cheaper and faster and you get the bonus of trying different string types when ever you want.

    I broke strings every 3 weeks - often enough to get annoyed, now it doesn't matter. Takes about 50min to setup and string first frame and about 40min for every frame after that.

    Enjoy
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. Do you find it difficult getting the lever horizontal with the 2? That is the main reason I was opting for the 1 as the ratchet obviates the need to re-grip the string each time if horizontal pull is not reached or is this a non issue for you with the 2?
     
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    Hey Smirker.no problem with getting the lever horizontal. took a bit of practice with an old frame the first time. i usually leave the string clamped until I get the lever almost horizontal and then release the clamp on the string. that way i get it horizontal consistently without worrying about losing tension in the string i previously pulled.
     
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  15. princemidplus

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    to smirker.there is a good stringing forum on the net to check for tying knots and getting tips on stringing accurately.
     
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  16. smirker

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    you mean stringforum.net?
     
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  17. smirker

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    to hollywood,

    in light of princes post what do you see as the advantage of the ratchet system on the 1?
     
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  18. princemidplus

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    yes.pictures of knots and lots of good advice that helped me to learn
     
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    Thanks for sharing that princemid+
    I dunno about you smirker, but I think I'm gonna go for the Challenger II and use the money saved to buy some strings :)
    I reckon the ratchet would speed things up quite a lot for the first 10-15 string jobs before you get the hang of it
     
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  20. princemidplus

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    Is206.i think the ratchet speeds up the first few jobs and makes it that little bit simpler but using the challenger 2 without the ratchet has been no problem.just takes getting used to before it becomes easy.you only about £50 without ratchet so its your choice really whether to get one or not
     
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  21. smirker

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    Difference is £30. The advantage as I understand it is you don't have to re-grip the string if you don't achieve level first time.
     
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  22. hollywood9826

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    Yep thats all the ratchet does. You wont have to regrip you sinply raise the arm again and lower it. I started gettin it to where I was even using ratchet as much, but never got it to 100% not using the ratchet. Then I got my $600 tax rebate and slapped a WISE on it
     
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  23. smirker

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    So on balance, how difficult do you think it is to get the lever level and therefore how much value is there in having the ratchet? For the extra £30 is it worth the investment? As far as I can see there are no other differences between the machines.

    You can get the version with the Wise already on it over here but it is like $1100
     
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  24. Mansewerz

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    Do you ever feel the need for the brake hollywood?
     
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    Hello Hollywood, I'm considering to buy the challenger 1 and need your experience about linear bearing gripper. I use a rachet without a linear bearing gripper at the moment.

    1) Is the linear bearing gripper easy to use? Do you have to hold this part when raising the lever arm?
    2) Does the linear gripper rotate downwards when the lever arm is lowered?
    3) Do you ever experience string slipping with the linear gripper? Is it the best gripper?
    4) Do you experience rusting problems? My Gamma Drop weight rusted very badly after a few months!

    Thanks in advance for your answers.. ^^
     
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  26. TheRed

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    1) Yes. No.
    2) Yes
    3) Yes, if the string is not placed securely in the gripper. No, it's not the best, nor is it the worst. I don't find it that much better than a rotational gripper
    4) Rust should never be a problem with any stringer, Gamma included. What kind of conditions are you storing your stringer in
     
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  27. hollywood9826

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    I havent yet. But from what I understand it is very nice to have for the Oports and speedports of prince frames.
     
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    After a few you will still miss level a couple shots per job. That might cost you 20 seconds each time to regrip and lower and all that jazz. But at first you will probably be repullin constantly. In US they dont have a non ratchet challenger, so I didnt have to decide. If you are willing to go through the pain of learning and the jobs takin long at first go with non ratchet. Becasue once you master the drop weiht the ratchet will save at best a couple minutes a job. But if you dont want to waste all the time at first just pony up the 30 and go with the ratchet.
     
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    1) Yes it easy to use, and no you dont have to hold when raising the arm if the gripper is gripping the string properly
    2) Yes
    3) I have not yet. Some of the rotationals are little small and bend the stiffer poly a bit too much to my liking. For that reason I will give linear a slight edge
    4) No. Do you live in a real humid enviroment. Rust wuold never cross my mind.
     
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  30. wksoh

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    Hey, thanks for the replies. My Gamma Stringer rusted when I leave it on a table in my room - in Singapore. I threw it away 2 weeks ago. Now I'm here in the US to work for maybe 8 months and looking for a new stringer. Thanks very much for your knowledge.
     
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  31. wksoh

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    Thank you too.. ^^
     
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  32. smirker

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    Clint, why did you repost my original post? Did you want to ask something or just press the wrong button?
     
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    yea thats what I was thinking. So I guess I will repost mt original answer to the original question :)

    The ratchet system makes it easy to achive the horizontal rod. Basically you slide the string in the liner gripper lower the rod.

    If the string is too tight then you have to raise it again with more slack and re-lower. If it is too loose then you just lift the rod back up (ratchet) tension is maintaned as string is still in the gripper. then you lower the rod again. At that point it is usually horizontal, but you can keep ratcheting until it is. The ratchet saves a little time and hassle IMO.

    With non ratchet systems, if you dont hit horizontal on first shot you have to remove the string from the gripper and retension till you hit horizontal. After 4 frames you will get the hang of it and not even have to use the ratchet part hardly at all.

    Id say if you are stringing for yourself only the Challenger is more than enough and saving of almost 3 hundred you said it yourself.
     
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    did you only adjust the clamp bases once, hollywood? it looks very tempting, the only thing is for me to update, it would be better to get a crank.
     
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  35. wksoh

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    I would love a 1) table top, 2) crank with 3) glide bars to bring cost down - is there a stringer that have these configurations?
     
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  36. wksoh

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    I found one.. EAG-860T but it's more expensive than those with spring assisted clamps..
     
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  37. hollywood9826

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    Yes so far just adjusted them the one time. Its very easy to do, and laid in the instructions fine.

    I can understand wanting a crank, it would make it quicker for sure. I slapped Wise head on my challenger and am more than happy with the results.
     
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  38. Mansewerz

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    yea. If I could get a 6 point mounting system for cheap, and slap it on my swing, i'd be happy. Flying clamps aren't that much of a nuisance and the dropweight can be fast. Protecting the racquet is my main concern.

    But if i'm upgrading, why not just get one that will last me a while.
     
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