Eagnas Plus 8000 In Action

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by robstepp, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. robstepp

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    My New Endeavor: [​IMG]
    Here is the deal! Several people have asked for honest first-hand experiences with Eagnas and specifically the PLUS 8000 stringing machine. I am going to be the world's test subject. I am a 4.5ish player. I won my local league team tennis as the Captain. I won the fastest serve contest with 107mph. I am a well-rounded player and assist with coaching the high school teams. I am a United States Marine Corps Veteran and specialize in Quality Assurance so I am picky by nature. I am going to be brutally honest and pick everything apart, so hopefully I can help answer questions for those too timid to take chances on their own. I know you are out there hiding in your corners.

    BUYING EXPERIENCE: Purchasing the machine was an extremely smooth and pleasant experience. Maxline was very understanding of my veteran status and I couldn’t ask for better e-mail communication. I have absolutely no complaints discussing the machine, paying for the machine, or picking up the machine.

    STAFF: Some of the posts about Eagnas are harsh. The staff does speak English with an accent, but that is because most of their crew is Asian. That is just nature of our melting pot called the USA. You have to remember that Maxline is more or less an importer-storefront for Eagnas. If Babolat only employed their nationality, you would hear a harsh French Accent when you called them. It just so happens that Babolat is so huge they can employ everyone. Regardless, I had no problem understanding them and we were both able to communicate what we needed to.

    WAREHOUSE: Yes it is on a back street between houses. You will almost miss it if you are not careful. All white block building with a blue screen security door. My suggestion to Maxline would be “pretty-up” the warehouse. For those of us who are able to physically go to it, you know what I mean. Everything is scattered about with no clear organization. I would even go so far as to put up some walls to give it a storefront appearance to hide the warehouse section. And a nice SIGN on the outside of the building would be nice too. I understand it is a warehouse, but since customers can go there, it should present a professional appearance.

    MACHINE: Go check the website for all of the specs. Constant Pull, Linear Ball Bearing Gripper with Diablo/Nose Cone, 10-point mounting system, 11-90 pound tension, single-action mounting arms, tabletop or included base-mount…

    LOOKS: The physical makeup and color paint scheme is excellent. The blue and silver compliment each other very well. People who see the machine are impressed. Like most people who don’t string, the “look” of the machine is important and this one does it right!

    TENSION: After about 25 sticks, I checked the tension with a calibrator and it was dead on. I still have no problems to date.

    CLAMPS: The diamond-coated clamps are sweet. If you notice, they are exactly like the Babolat Sensor, Sensor Expert, and new Star 5. You can’t ask for more than that. The three-teeth design is excellent for modern string beds, they are easy to operate, and the adjustment wheel is the same too! Replacement clamps are only $39.95. A pair of Badminton clamps is included and they are the same style as the tennis clamps.
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    TOOLS: You only get the basics with the machine: Mini Needle Nose Pliers, Mini Diagonal Cutters, a long pointed awl, and a string mover. However, the rest of the tools you might need are sold on the website and are VERY cheap compared to everyone else. I bought a tension calibrator, starting clamp, straightening awl, pathfinder awl, and cam-action repair pliers (two-tools in one) for $60.75. Please try to beat that. You are looking more along the lines of $150 on other websites for tools with a name stamp.

    PROBLEMS:
    My first tension head had a hiccup with the stop limit switch. The tension head would go full travel and the chain would bind. I was able to troubleshoot this one myself, but there was no way for me to fix it. When I contacted Eagnas, they were very understanding. I went out to the warehouse after work on a Friday. I ended up getting lost so I was really late, around 8:30pm. I kept calling their cell phone and they kept in touch with me. When I finally got there, I was met with nothing but smiles. No worries. We pulled a new tension head out of its packaging, tested it, and it has been great ever since. We swapped one for one and everything was smooth. They even helped me find the Claim Jumper Restaurant on Crenshaw.

    The plastic faceplate for the digital readout is loose. It’s kind of like a thin plastic sheet that is stuck on and covers the readout and buttons. It has to be thin and flimsy because you have to push the buttons through it. No big problem. I just reattached it with two-sided tape. Wanted to mention everything, even this minor!
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    CONCLUSION:
    When it is all said and done, you cannot beat this machine for its price. People are actually trying to sell their drop-weight and crank-arm machines for the same $$$ and it honestly amazes me. My suggestion would be to buy it. If you are one of the skittish people hiding in the corners, have your friend get one and see it for yourself. I will definitely post any problems I have with this machine, but it has been rock solid so far and I don’t see any problems in the future.

    EXCELLENT MACHINE. BEAUTIFUL MACHINE. CONSISTENT MACHINE. GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. UNBEATABLE PRICE!
     
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  2. robstepp

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    Apologies in Advance

    The pictures did not work. However, you can go to the eagnas website at http://www.eagnas.com/plus8000.html and see it for yourself. Especially the overall look of the machine and the clamps. :mrgreen:
     
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  3. barry

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    Is this the same machine as the Alpha Orbitor which sells for $3400? Looks like a great buy!

    I live 3000 miles away from Eagnas, and have never had any problems with CS. Called and received whatever I ordered in 3 days.

    Do you have a shop? Or was the machine for home use?
     
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  4. Masamusou

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    The Orbitor doesn't cost $3400 anymore. It's closer to $2600 if you look around. It does look similar, but the Orbitor has a different turntable and obviously doesn't have the Eagnas 3-tooth clamps.
     
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  5. robstepp

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    Plus 8000

    Good day all.

    I am more than open to any questions about the machine. Please bring them on.:cool:

    I am working out of my home but I am the sole stringer for my area. I am covering 4 towns which is great for me! This has a huge WOW factor when people see it and I would have to assume it would look great in a shop. If people are leary about the Eagnas name, you can always just heat gun the stickers off. None of the names on the machine itself are painted, they are all stickers. This way you could enjoy the benefits of the machine without feeling awkward with the name. Some people are name brand weirdos. I am too, don't get me wrong. But I feel confident with the FUNCTION of this machine.

    If you compare the Plus 8000 specs against all of the other machines out there, you just can't beat it. I tried and tried to prove it wrong and then I had to bear down and take a chance, and I am glad I did. This machine is identical to high end machines like the Babolat Star 4 and the Babolat Star 5. It comes with a stand and tools. it has all of the digital options high end machines have like knot tension button, 2-speed pulling, 5% 10% pre-stretch options, sweet start button palcement, 10-point supports, awesome swivel bases, and the sweet three-tooth clamps. Seriously go on Google and try to match up all of this in ANY other companies machine. Look forward to paying double!

    I am in no way affiliated with Eagnas or Maxline or LilyLee or any of them. I am a stringer in a small area who is loving this machine. I am also an honest USMC veteran and I am shooting it straight with you.

    I look forward to your comments and questions. This is one of those things where you find something good and want to share. :eek:

    http://www.eagnas.com/plus8000.html
     
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  6. Stan

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    This thread is a joke, right? You can't honestly/seriously be comparing this hobby level machine to a Babolat, can you? They are not in the same league. Not even close.
     
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    I guessing maxline is giving you a decent discount for shilling on tt.

    Heh, be careful or soon you'll be a bigger shill than barry.
     
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  8. robstepp

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    Another Look!

    Let's say this. Nothing is technically in the same league as Babolat. I do not have a Babolat Star 5 and the Eagnas Plus 8000 side by side in my workshop. However, I have strung on the Star 3 and Star 4 and I now own the Plus 8000. Of course Babolat are the most well known, with the most experience, and most widely used for the Pros. Makes sense. There has to be a standard, just like their VS Team Natural Gut, it is the standard. I want to buy a Star 5 when they are available. Go figure! ;) My point is if you compare options and features to options and features, they match and I have not had any problems to date.

    What I am telling you from my experience is that this machine rocks. I have not found a flaw yet. And the most important final product, TENSION, has been dead on now for 35 racquets. (I have strung a few since my last post). Anybody out there have this machine? Anyone out there actually used this machine other than me? FEEDBACK!!!

    It is not a hobby level machine. Here is my definition of Hobby-Level.
    Hobby-Level (hä-bE - le-v&l) : Any stringing machine that is NOT Electric, NOT Constant Pull, does NOT have a Linear Ball Bearing Gripper, does NOT have a Diablo /Nose Cone, does NOT have a 10-point support system, does NOT have three tooth clamps, and does NOT have quick-action swivel base clamps.

    Go check out Grand Slam Stringers and see how many of them use anything other than machines with these attributes.
    http://www.******************.com/ourexpertpanel.htm

    Drop-weight, swing-weight, crank, rotational pull, are all substandard. Yes they get the job done, but I can also say that horses still pull wagons. I am going to drive a car. History is great and we learn from it. Obviously no disrepsect to stringers still using these methods. But lets play a game. Build a stringer that is painted solid black with no names or distinguishing marks on it and give it all of the attributes I listed above. Pass those out for free to all of the stringers in the world and see how many give them back after a month. COST drives us to use substandard old technology. Do you see Babolat making machines that do not have every sigle one of those attributes? Well the Plus 8000 has them too!

    So don't knock it unless you have tried it. It is really easy to throw stones, but try offering something honest instead. This is everyone's chance to own something that does it all and should cost double. Like I said, you won't find a match for this. Please try to. I can't wait to see it. :mrgreen:

    (And as a side note, don't say the SAM machine found on the Australian Tennis Warehouse. Same machine with different color paint and stickers. I checked into it.)
     
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  9. robstepp

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    Shiller?

    Funny word usage, is that Irish?

    To be honest with everyone, I would completely SLAM this machine as a piece of junk if I could. I figured that when I took the chance on buying it, that was my $$$ lost if it was a mistake.

    I was a Quality Assurance Manager on USMC Harrier Aircraft for 10 years. Now I am a Federal Quality Asurance Evaluator. Trust me, if I could bash it I would.

    The only this that has been honestly wrong has been the first tension head that was replaced immediately and the cheesy plastic cover on the digital readout. If something comes up tomorrow, I will post it.

    I am not about putting my word on something unless I am using it myself! :cool:
     
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  10. Mike Cottrill

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    What did you check into? Please provide info. Please take the cover off your machine and post a picture of the internals. Then we will believe you.
    Regards
    Mike
     
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  14. barry

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    Look on the web sites; I saved the pictures from both sites. I clicked on Eagnas 8000 and 8010 and they look the same.
    Do you own one which looks different? If so maybe you can post a picture of your machine or if not what you think they look like.
    I assume someone who spends $1700 on a new machine has done his homework!
     
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    Let’s See what Inside?

    I think Mike and a lot of others just want to see the insides. It is easy to make the outside look alike, but it is the electronics that can make a huge difference. The quality of the motor, the load cells and even the electronics on the inside is what matters. Will we be able to tell the difference? I can not say unless we see the insides. If robstepp is willing to post the pictures of the inside of his Eagnas stringer, I bet we could get Mark G (or someone else with an Alpha) to post the Alpha’s insides.
     
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  16. Mike Cottrill

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    BTW I have pictures of the inside of the machine :). Like I said, the 8010 you refer is a hack or do you get mismatched paint at a discount? Why do you always misdirect the threads? This thread is for the 8000 not the 8010. Combo 8010, combo; you get pieces from two different machines… OR maybe you can super size it!.
     
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  17. robstepp

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    Not a problem!

    Here are my only concerns and please be honest regarding these matters:

    Has anyone heard if there are there any legal issues with providing pictures of the internals of a stringing machine?

    As I am new to posting, I noted that the "Insert Image" icon brings up a script asking for the URL of the photo. Do I have to upload the picture to a storage website like snapfish or something first? How do insert the actual picture and not some link?

    Other than that, I am willing to do whatever everyone is looking for. Like I said, I took the chance for everyone else, and now its all about boosting the learning curve. I will still stick to not having ANY problems whatsoever up to this point with the machine or the company.

    Looking forward to some feedback. :mrgreen:
     
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  18. Mike Cottrill

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    Thanks Rob,
    I do not know of any issues with posting your own photos, but I’m no lawyer. The only way I know is to place your photo at one of the free sites/or you own web and place a link to it. The photos I have seen show a different motor and electronics. It will be nice to put this to rest once and for all.
    Thanks.
    Mike
     
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  19. Ben42

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    Actually, you bought a high-end Eagnas machine that came with a bad tensioning head. I would not consider that "not having ANY problems whatsoever."

    I'm glad you live near enough to get it worked out. Those of us who live far from LA and who have had problems working with Victor/Maxline/Eagnas were not so lucky.

    Hope the machine works out well for you.
     
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  20. robstepp

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    Correction!

    You are right. The bad tension head was a major problem, but since the items was brand new, this "can" happen from the factory. At least they stepped up to the plate and swapped out a new head on the spot. Like I said earlier in the posts, they even came after hours for me, even later because I got lost in the maze of LA highways 8:30pm. I will be honest with you and say that when I picked up the new head, I was nervous that it too would be flawed, especially living 2 hours away. :mrgreen:

    So I guess I will say other than the first tension head that had a bad limit switch, and was swapped out by Eagnas immediately, and the loose plastic sheet cover over the digital readout, I have had no further problems after 35 racquets. :cool:
     
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  21. Mr Harharwood

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    I would be afraid to take it apart. You might find a little rodent on a wheel to pulley the tension and a little rubber mallet to knock him out once the tension is reached. Kind of like the Flintstones, ya know.
     
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  22. Mike Cottrill

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    That is bad, but it has happened on more expensive machines. Babolat not excluded, so no judgment passed there. Glad they treated you well.
     
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  23. Mike Cottrill

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    Now I know your name... Har Har :).
     
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  24. flash9

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    Rob - I have always used tinypic.com it is FREE and they leave the images up there for a long time. You might even be able to post your original pictures there and fix the links from your first post.
     
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  25. barry

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    Why do you always claim people who buy machines from Eagnas at a fair price are frauds? You can look up the pictures yourself. Go to www.eagnas.com and click on models. Look at the pictures. If you have other pictures then post them. Kind of unproductive to make claims you cannot prove.
    We went through this same discussion last year and thefossman said he was buying two. I assume he knew what he was doing and since his business strings over 5,000 rackets a yearand is better qualified than you on the topic.
    If you have something post it.
     
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    http://www.eagnas.com/plus8000.html

    Look at the picture on that machine barry. Looks like a COMPLETELY different turntable to me... That is the PLUS 8000, the one we are talking about in this thread, not the COMBO 8010 that you earlier referred to incorrectly.
     
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  27. robstepp

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    Still Waiting!

    Situational Assessment:

    I am leaving the desert for San Francisco. I will return on Sunday and be exhausted. I will then be at the Pacific Life Open on Monday and Tuesday. They are free days by the way if you didn't know that, and by far the best days to go and see every single player practice within 5 feet of your face. After that whirlwind I will get the pictures posted. :cool:

    We can discuss the internals once they are posted!

    How does that sound to all of you high-horse professionals? :mrgreen:

    I am ready to get crazy up in here!
     
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  28. mellofelow

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    For Crying Out LOUD!!! He spent more than $1,850 on a creme de la creme unit of Eagnas only to have defective issues??? Wow, I can only wish I have Rob's 'glass half full' optimism. Sorry but, after going through similar experience a few months ago, IMO this is totally unacceptable!

    Plus, 2+ hours roadtrip - TWICE, $50+ in fuel cost, hours of personal time spent addressing issues, how can anyone still be so optimistic about their return on investment for the next decade or so?
     
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  29. robstepp

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    It Takes Practice!

    Tension Heads are odd. It is not uncommon for discrepancies to be found upon arrival from the factory. It isn't like I had this stringer for a long time and it is quitting on me. It was on the initial startup.

    As far as the trips I made, they were by choice. I could have had the items shipped both times but I live close and I have family in Torrance.

    I would agree with you, that it is unacceptable, but I haven't had another problem yet. If the mouse with the mallet and the Flintstones go on strike, I might have more issues to contend with and will REPORT them on this message board to keep the stringing world informed.

    Until then, I will keep banging out sticks to see how this machine will hold! :cool:
     
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    I have a question. On the eagnas website it look like the gripper is significantly lower, or at least lower than on other machines, than where the frame would be, creating a greater angle. Does that create any problems besides giving out a lower desired tension? Despite the difference in tension the constant pull apparently keeps tension more consistent for longer after the racket has been strung. Still I'm curious.
     
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  31. tennisadict

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    I`m with you Rob.... welcome to the club. I bought smart 6000 last year, and It has been amazing
     
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  32. barry

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    You are correct the tension mounting system is different, everything else is the same. I prefer the single knob adjustment on the mounting system instead of the 2 knobs. Alpha still uses the older style 5 point clamps; I like the new 3 point much better.

    http://www.eagnas.com/com8010.html

    The 8010 looks more like the Alpha Orbitor than the 8000. It is down to $2600 on some sites, Eagnas is $1645.

    I would say all 3 machines use the same electronics, linear gripper, Diablo, etc... Only clamps are different and of course on the 8000, the mounting system seems faster. I think both Eagnas machines are competitive with the Aria and the Alpha is just overpriced.
    That is my rant for the day, time to do something important and hit some tennis balls. 72 degrees and no wind, just perfect tennis weather.
     
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  33. Gaines Hillix

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    The Eagnas 8000 on their website has a turntable and frame support that looks like an Alpha Apex. The Eagnas 8010 turntable doesn't have the self centering frame support arms or the Babolat style frame support controls(knurled steel knobs). Looks like the wrong picture of the Eagnas 8000 was posted is all.
     
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  34. robstepp

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    Everyone Calm Down!

    You will all be able to go crazy later.

    You will all see the pics of the machine next week.

    SUPER BIG THANKS to flash9 for the tinypic guidance. That should be right on the money! :mrgreen:

    San Francisco for the weekend (yuck) and then back home for the Pacific Life Open (Yum). Life is great! :mrgreen:
     
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    Pictures Please

    Rob - Any chance we might see the pictures this weekend?
     
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  36. robstepp

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    Apologies

    My honest apologies. I have been very busy. I am for sure going to keep this post alive and put the pictures up. I want everyone to take a look under the hood and comment. Still in a holding pattern...
     
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  37. Mike Cottrill

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    Rob,
    Any pictures?
    Thanks
    Mike
     
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  38. fastdunn

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    Yep, one time Maxline did meet me after 9 PM at their warehouse.
    They are home based. If they are around they will see you.
    No specific office hour. At the same time, they can get less
    "professional" if things go out of norm a little bit.
     
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  39. robstepp

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    More Apologies

    I am definitely on the up and up, just the extremely slow up and up. Every time I get a minute to myself something comes up. I had to string up two "emergency" racquets last night for a couple of the high school players. Little does everyone know that I am preparing to go to the California Highway Patrol Academy. Life is SUPER-HECTIC! :rolleyes:

    I am still planning on posting the pics in this thread. I want everyone to see what I have and comment to their heart's content. I just keep running into road blocks along the way.

    I took my cover off a while ago (who thought of pictures back then). One thing I can tell you from experience about that is it is not a simple few screws and a pull. You have to take the tension head off of the stand and pop the compression pins to disassemble the gripper. The way the plastic cover is made, it will get hung up on the stand if you don't take it off the stand and the cover slides up over the gripper, once it is removed. Nothing like the Babolat Star 5. :mrgreen:

    I will do my best to get the pics up soon. Truly sorry for the delay. :cool:
     
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  40. vinouspleasure

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    I haven`t seen a positive post about the Eagnas stringing tools. Are you saying they are top quality?
     
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  41. robstepp

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    Sure!

    Their Starting Clamp is Diamond Coated and has Excellent Clamp Tension.
    Super Awesome!

    PN-1012 Tennis Swivel Base Three-Tooth Clamps
    Super Awesome!

    Tension Calibrator.
    Works Fine!

    That is as far as I will go.
     
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    Pic Test

    This is a sample test picture. Yes it is one of the "real" pictures of my machine! I haven't ever posted pictures in a thread before.

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    :mrgreen: Look Mom. No Hands!
     
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  43. robstepp

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    Electronics

    :eek:

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    Front Shot

    :p

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    Comment Time!

    Okay. Let the comments begin. Please let me know what your thoughts are on the machine internals. It would be appreciated.

    :mrgreen:
     
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  46. Mike Cottrill

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    Thanks Robb. At first glance I can say the motor appears to match the Eagnas machine but different from the Poreex machine. I will work on the comparison.
    Mike
     
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    Nice Pictures! Overall how do you like the 8000? Assume you string a lot of rackets.
     
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  48. robstepp

    robstepp New User

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    Excellent!

    So far the Machine has performed flawlessly. I have strung roughly 50 sticks with it so far withot one mechanical glitch with the setup I now have.
    (Note: I did have to return my first tension head assembly but that evolution was perfect too and my new setup has been smooth ever since.)

    I checked the tension with a calibrator at 25 sticks and then again at 50 and the tension is still right on. I have not needed to make any adjustments at all.

    I love the cosmetics of the machine. However, I would rather have legs like the Babolat Star 5. The horseshoe looking legs of the Plus 8000 look great but are actually just a plastic cover over normal legs. I would be worried about them in a busy shop or high traffic area. If they get stepped on they would probably crack over time (they're not that flimsy but why put something at risk).
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    The control panel works fine and has a lot of options. Like I said in an earlier post, the paper-thin plastic cover that has the writing on it, like speed, +10, +, -, Special String, Pre-Stretch, etc. became loose after 20 sticks. It is a simple fix with two sided tape or touch of tacky glue to hold it in place, but annoying when it was first sliding around. I will always say when something happens no matter how petty though. :mrgreen:
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    A lot of people say they copy other machines, and if this is the case, they did a great job. I love my machine.
     
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  49. Mike Cottrill

    Mike Cottrill Hall of Fame

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    Rob,
    “Like I said in an earlier post, the paper-thin plastic cover that has the writing on it, like speed, +10, +, -, Special String, Pre-Stretch, etc. became loose after 20 sticks.”

    Another stated the same about the cover. I’m working on a comparison of the Poreex and the Lily-Lee. I’m waiting for permission to use a couple of photos.

    One item I noticed on your machine is one of the standoffs between your electronics board and the machine is a different size and it has flexed your circuit card. Hopefully that is not a multi-layered board. That kind of flex can break the layers. Do you see what I’m referring? See: Next to the connector to the board.

    Also, for those that still think these are the same machines as the Poreex: It appears from the pictures that the Lily-Lee is using 18v and Poreex is using 12v.

    Regards
    Mike
     
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  50. fantom

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    Mike,

    I believe that the standoffs are the same heights. The notch in the corner of the PCB makes it look like the left standoff is higher, but it isn't. In the zoomed-in picture below, I circled the standoffs and extended the edge of the board (red line) across the left standoff. You can see that more of the left standoff is exposed. You can also see that there is no warpage of the PCB.

    I would love to see those pics of the Poreex machine that you have.

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