Early 90s Seles vs mid 2000s Henin

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  1. conway

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    How would you see a matchup of 91-92 Seles and say 2003-early 2004 and 2007 Henin going. I would probably see:

    Rebound ace/slow hard courts- Seles wins 4 of 5 (although maybe harsh as Henin was killing Seles at the 2001 Australian Open when neither was in their primes, and Henin even further from hers, before badly choking)

    Clay- Henin wins 3 of 5 or Seles 3 of 5 (not sure here, flip a coin)

    Grass- Henin wins 4 of 5 (although peak Henin is not some fabulous grass courter either, and never won Wimbledon, hence why I gave Seles who was a decent grass courter in 90 and 92 a match)

    Fast hard courts/U.S Open- Henin wins 3 of 5 (Henin of the 2003 or 2007 U.S Opens was superior to Seles there IMO)

    Carpet/indoors- Henins wins 3 of 5 or Seles 3 of 5 (another toss up)
     
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    I just checked their head to head. Seles leads 4-3, all 7 matches when neither player was in their prime. Henin easily won the only clay and grass meeting, and won a tough match indoors. Seles had one win in Australia when very young Henin choked badly and blew a big lead, a 3 set win in Canada which is one of their few matches I recall watching and where Henin fell apart after a good first set, and then two more straight forward wins on fast indoor or fast hard court type conditions.
     
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    None are grass courters like Hana,TWICE AO winner or Martina,97 Wimbledon winner
     
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    Henin and Hingis I put on the same level on grass as far as playing ability. Henin maybe even a bit higher. Good for Hingis to win Wimbledon in a super weak year where she didn't even play a seed until the final, but she was blown off the court in the 1st round twice as the #1 seed (once 6-2, 6-0 to a then unknown Jelena Dokic, the other to Ruana freaking Pascual 6-4, 6-2). Henin has some pretty bad losses at Wimbledon in her prime, but only the 3 set loss to Danilidou comes close, and Henin was only the 8th seed that year anyway.
     
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    Hingis won it on a polar opossite slow/fast era
    Henin played a green clay court green and still failed.
    Different planets
     
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    Who says the slow green grass favored Henin anyway. First off don't even pretend it is virtually clay. Would Kygrios, Darcis, or Rosol beat Nadal at the last 3 Wimbledons if it was any form of a clay court? Of course not.

    Outside of clay, Henin actually preferred faster courts. She has a very good record indoors and on carpet (the bit that exists today) and did better on faster outdoor hard courts like U.S Open, Indian Wells, Canada, the Athens Olympics, than slower ones like the Australian Open and Miami. I think on grass which isn't her best surface to start, she likes the extra speed, and needs it for her slice, volleys to be more effective, and to add extra juice to her shots.

    I tell you one thing for sure, the current slow grass would not suit Hingis at all so that she had to play on the old faster grass is no disadvantage for her.

    I am making a Henin vs Hingis thread as this thread is turning away from its original topic of Henin vs Seles.
     
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