Edberg Eastern Grip Kick Serve...

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  1. DavidKUGA

    DavidKUGA New User

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    Anyone have any good tips on executing this service motion? I have a good serve already, tons of pace, but my instructor was trying to show me this serve as an alternative. (I'd say Edberg is my favorite player behind Agassi and Sampras—maybe I'm showing my slight age here.) I practice it from time to time but would never break it out in a match yet—too inconsistent. Anyone with knowledge feel free to offer your advice.

    I've "played" tennis for years, but I am finally realizing the benefits of certified instruction. It's nice to finally learn what and what not to do...
     
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  2. StunLock

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    same here. then you owe yourself a PS 85 if you dont have one already : D I'm ordering one as soon as TW gets them in stock just for all the memories ^_^
     
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  3. zapvor

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    haha

    i know someone who uses that to serve and i thnk the key is you have to toss the ball more over your head (not out front of you) and make contact there, and also hit through the ball. but i personally cant do it either:-(
     
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  4. Marius_Hancu

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    Perhaps you know them (they are in my postings in the Sticky):

    Stefan Edberg's serve clips (some of them kicks)
    (also a comparison with Michael Chang's)
    http://edbergstorage.free.fr/videos/edberg_pioline_davis_96/edberg_60_echange_trois_revers.mpg
    http://edberg.free.fr/videos/videos_serve_1.htm

    The best at the above sites being IMO:
    http://edberg.free.fr/videos/edberg_chang_rg96/edberg_04_services_ralenti.mpg

    I would not recommend copying as such his motion, as Stefan contacted the ball a bit too much behind him, which caused him problems with the shoulder in the later years.

    You need to toss quite into the court and get even more into the court to be under that ball in his manner. That's a LOT of atheticism. Just look at his knee bend.
     
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  5. Amone

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    I can. :shfity eyes: but nothing else... Anyways, keys, IMHO:

    1) Ball toss: I don't know how to get a bad toss for a kicker that would work for another serve. I think I did it once. I think this is because I only hit kickers, though. More-or-less, you want it tossed more to the left and at about the right place to hit you on the head.

    2) Knee bend: I didn't have one for a long time, and it didn't hamper the quality of my serve at all. But it did give me some pretty serious back pains by the time I decided that I'd get one so help me. I'm 16, I should not have a cringe-inducing pain every time I stand up.

    3) Hit the ball on the way down: This should be common sense, but if the ball is falling-- not peaked, falling-- then you get extra rpms, which is good.
     
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  6. zapvor

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    haha

    yea i am still slowly slowly adjusting to continental grip. thanks for the tips Amone.
     
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  7. Amone

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    Haha, in my experience grip doesn't make much difference. I always hit it with an eastern backhand when I was learning it, now I can hit with a continental, eastern BH, or a particular grip I like, right in between the two. None seems to have any disadvantage, but I like the one in between because I won my first (and so far, only) two USTA matches serving with that grip, by coincidence.
     
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  8. Sagittar

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    correct me if i am wrong but it seems that edberg's movement under the ball and his followthrough are a lot better than chang's who doesn't really get a solid stance in order to get full momentum at contact ..
     
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  9. dave333

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    I can only do it w/ a grip in between. Anyway, knee bend, ball toss over your head to the left, maybe a bit of a back arch
     
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  10. paulfreda

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    Edberg was famous for his Twist [American Twist] serve.
    That is the ball curves in toward the court center in the air, but then bounces to the right toward the sideline [for a righty in the ad court].

    By 'kick serve', do you mean Twist.

    In general, kick just means topspin serve.
     
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  11. AJK1

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    I never really liked him, his hair was weird, he had no personality, and I always hated his really high ball toss, reminded me of womens tennis.
     
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  12. lzclzclzc

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    anyone notice how edberg finished his serve on his right side, instead of left.
    Now is that an acceptable practice, since i was conmmented about it being a "no follow thru".
     
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  13. Amone

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    Well, it's a kick serve follow through, and pretty much only serves with some degree of topspin to them. The follow through has almost nothing to do with your serve, also. I mean, theoretically, your follow-through is affected by the serve itself, but if you're getting good accuracy, spin, pace, then you're not doing anything wrong. That's my take. Then again, I hit with that same follow through, as well. *giggle*
     
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  14. lzclzclzc

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    i've been trying hard to make myself have the textbook follow thru, the one where u finish on the left, get it sometimes and other times i dont. weirdest thing is that i tell myself to do it and i force myself to do it, but i sometimes still unknowingly finish on the right.
     
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