Ektelon H / Neos 1000 mounting question

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  1. strcmp

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    I have an Ektelon H machine that when I mount a racquet using the levers, the racquet mount slips sometimes when I get near the end of a stringing job and then the racquet moves while i'm tensioning the string.
    It's like the mounting system is not holding the racquet as tightly as it should.

    I've read some old threads about Ektelon H / Neos 1000 mounting. They suggested that I turn the hex screw in the mounting base counter-clockwise. I found that when I turn it too much counter-clockwise, the hex screw piece starts protruding out of the mounting base. I'm guessing that's too much.

    Turning it clockwise, moves the 'dog kit' piece downwards and turning it counter-clockwise, moves the 'dog kit' piece to the top. I'm guessing once you turn it so that the dog kit piece is already touching the top, there's no point turning it further or else the hex screw piece will start protruding out.

    Are these the symptoms of needing to replace the "dog kit"?

    Thanks
     
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  2. Lakers4Life

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    Yes. Your symptoms sounds like my problem. You should also check the lever to see if it's worn. If you remove the screw, the dog will slip out. You might have to push down on the spring to slide the dog out.

    I've been waiting for almost 3 months for a new dog from TM. If that's all you need they may be able to ship you right away. I was offered the same, but I also need mounting pads which are also back ordered from the Prince Factory.
     
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  3. ten11

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    The operating manual says to push down with palm and lock. (I hope you did that.) I also been told by a GS stringer that when lock it, I should do the locking few time to take out the extra slack instead of just locking it.
    Also if it is still slip and moving, you might want to put a piece of replacement grip.
     
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    Wow, really!? I have a Gamma 2pt mount, and mine are so tight that I actually have to be careful to just "rest" the supports on the frame and then press the plunger. Otherwise, it can be too tight for the racquet.

    I can't imagine what would happen on my machine if I pressed down with my palm before -- I think it would literally crack/crush the racquet.
     
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    JC at TM told me to puch down when turn the lever to lock the mount down. I guess it's different for Gamma and Prince.
     
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    Just an update, I played around with the hex screw piece and it does seem to make a difference.

    When I was testing it earlier I didn't have a racquet mounted so I thought it didn't make much of a difference when I turned it counterclockwise, however once I mounted a racquet in there it definitely made a difference in terms of how it clamped the racquet down.

    So looks like I don't need a new dog kit for now. :)
     
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    You guys are making a good argument for getting a 6 point stringer.
     
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    In my "broken record mode" let me add one more thing. The other thing you should do frequently is clean the stems of the hold down clamps as well as the holes in which they fit (with alcohol). Like the clamps and glidebars, residue and grime can build up on those surfaces too, reducing the friction needed to keep the hold down clamps firmly in place--the Ektelon/Neos machines work best when clean. Also, as I recently mentioned in another thread, I have found that replacement grip material actually grabs the racquet frame better than the hard rubber pads that are on the hold down clamps and the machine surface. Good luck.
     
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    Not at all. When the Prince two point mount is working properly, there is none better, IMO. I have had both and would not ever go back to a six point. Both my Ektelon and now my Prince 3000 hold the racquet rock solid, with far more support at the 12 and 6:00 support areas, then any six point floating mount. Not to mention nothing in the way when stringing crosses.

    The " dogs " do need to be replaced every so often, like maybe 5-10 years, depending on stringing volume. When tightening the hold down clamps the Prince 3000 manual instructs you to push down with your palm on the clamp, then tighten with the lever. That is what I do, and it works as advertised. Another thing I do is wipe down the stems on the hold clamps with alcohol and then wipe dry, this is also recommeded in the manual and makes a big difference.

    And finally before someone says a racquet deforms more with a two point then a six point, go to GSS forum and read about the tests done on a Babolat Sensor vs a Prince 5000 on various racquets as to which had more deformation at the end of the string job.
     
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  10. MAX PLY

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    I have to agree with Cfidave on this one to the extent relevent. Both mounting systems are more than adequate for today's frames. Besides, let's not hijack this thread into a 6 versus 2 rabbit hole--I think the OP has what he needs in response to his inquiry.
     
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    Actually I prefer 2 point mount. One, for the one I have used, neos 1000. 2 point mounting is well designed and made. It is easy to mount and give sufficient stability. For OP's problem, it is not caused by 2 point mounting but something else.
    Secondly, for few 6 point mounting I have used(Gamma 6004 rev. 3 and 2 others.) The mounting is good but it has three drawbacks for me.
    1. side arms gets in the way when weaving, definitely not as free as 2 point
    2. more importantly, gets in the way to clamp on the side of frame. (I have to use floating clamp stringing apd in one place)
    3. side arms can block the holes.
     
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    I agree, not the place for 6 vs 2,debate. Hopefully the OP can get the parts he needs, and be on his way. I replaced both dogs on my Ektelon years ago, and it remains good as new.
     
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    That's what I always do too (push down when locking) and my racquets have never slipped. I have had to adjust the hex screw a couple of times over the last three years if the lever was too easy to push down.
     
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    Because parts do not wear out on 6 point stringers?
     
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    The Neos/Model H mounting system is built like a tank. I have found a couple of things in my years with the Neos.

    One, in the instruction manual, it does say to apply pressure to the top piece while pushing the lever down. This is part of the process and works.

    Two, from time to time, if your level loses resistance when you mount a frame, you will need to use the adjustment screw to tweak it. It doesn't take a lot, but it will make a tremendous difference.

    Three, from time to time, take some alcohol and a cotton ball and clean the rubber pieces on the mounts. This can make a difference as well.

    Four, the tip Max Ply gave is the last one I was going to give.

    Agree 100%, it just is of no value or help to the OP to throw something like this in and also patently untrue.

    Personally, I love the Neos mounting system. It is one of the best and quickest to use. I do not care of a six-point system. In the final analysis, it all boils down to preference. I don't think one is better than the other.
     
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    I just spoke to JC at TM. The backordered parts will be in next Monday for anyone, like myself, who's been waiting for parts like the dog kit, since the begining of the year.

    Also the differences between the mounts of the Neos 1000/Ektelon H and the Gamma 2-point. The reason you have to push down on the Neos mounts is the pin is not fixed to the top hold down. It' moves, thus you have to push down to take up any slack. On the Gamma it is fixed to the top hold down, so you don't have to push down as much. The action of the lever on both machine pulls down on the pin.
     
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