equal prize money? not in the womens! re: venus, kuzzy, schiavone match efforts

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by equinox, Jan 23, 2011.

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should venus return her "round" prize money?

Poll closed Feb 22, 2011.
  1. yes, give it to charity, feed the homeless for a week

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  2. yes and allocate it to kuzzy and frans, rubdowns are $

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  3. maybe something similar, $ formula based on match quality

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  4. no, venus needs more handbags and dimmond earings

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  1. equinox

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    after tremendous gutsy 4+ hour marathon match from schiavone and kuznetsova.

    who here believes that venus williams should return the round prize money she "earned" for her pathetic 4 minute effort?

    and give it to these women?
     
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  2. Wolland

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    She earned her money by winning her second round encounter and reaching the third round.
     
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  3. equinox

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    thank you for your opinion. i respectfully disagree.
     
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    Dude get a life
     
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  5. equinox

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    aha, coming from someone with a williams in there avatar. i'll be sure to take that advice to heart.
     
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  6. Starfury

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    It's not his opinion, it's a fact. She gets the same prize money regardless of whether she shows up for the third round or retires beforehand.

    But feel free to continue to disagree with reality.
     
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  7. shadows

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    Where's the "you are an idiot" option?
     
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  8. equinox

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    limped out with venus and serena.
     
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    I'm certain equinox will be sure to remember this thread any time that schiavone or kuznetsova gets hurt in one round and can't play the next round, while Venus continues because she's won and healthy.

    I'm sure he/she will be fair and make the same comments about schiavone or kuznetsova as he/she is making about Venus now.
     
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    when the tv showed both players in the tunnel. it was very obvious venus was limping and still carrying an injury from prior to the tournament. her body language said it all. get me outta here, cheque please.

    imho venus should have withdraw before the match and given ticket holders a chance to see a proper contested match after the earlier flop from monfils.

    they even asked her mum if venus should have played and answer was negative.

    imho venus took the selfish decision rather than thinking of the bigger picture. in the process disappointing her fans and causing near riots at the ticket booths for refunds.

    imho venus should donate all her prize money to charity. qld floods are a good local cause.
     
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  11. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Wow the hated towards Venus Williams on this board is pathetic and extreme. Venus earned her money the woman was injured. Venus was injured and she pulled out it happens. I don't see threads about people telling David Nalbandian to return his prize money after retiring from his match. The misogyny on this message board is pathetic and delusional.
     
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    you're not seriously suggesting nalby didn't deserve his $ after that epic grinding contest with hewitt? He gave the crowd everything he could muster and a little more.

    what's pathetic is women get paid equal money for less work / court time.

    and when a two women actually deserve the extra money like kuzzy and frans match, someone like venus exposes womens tennis as a sham.

    i say split the gs and shared events up. lets see if the wta could survive in isolation.

    with fake number #1,#2, what a joke of a wta ranking system.
     
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    this thread does raise some interesting questions. venus won her previous and although she retired 7 points in, she was clearly in pain and couldnt continue. the fact that kuzzy and schiavone played a choke-a-thon match, which shouldnt have even gone to 16-14, shouldnt have any relations to venus' injury. and im usually a williams basher. sure we can sit here and speculate that she only wanted the cash, but maybe she thought she could tough her injury out and at least go deep in the tournament. if i were her however, i'd probably just give my money to charity. the 37k she received in prize money is so feeble to her overall bank account that it should be unnoticeable. she could help Queensland out with that money, considering that she did not participate in the rally for relief, virtually acting like a greedy scumbag.

    that being said, i do feel that women shouldnt recieve equal prize money for as they do play less. however, if i wanted to play devils advocate with myself, i could argue that they are pushing their body to their limits, as woman are not as physically strong as men.

    either way im being sexist here and i lose against any feminist.
     
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    Oh, you don't just disagree with reality, you also don't like math.

    Whoever deserves the top ranking in your fantasyland obviously was too bad of a player (look it up in the dictionary, a player is someone who plays) during the 44 weeks of the year when there's no Grand Slam tournament going on in the real world.
     
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    equinox: As I say whenever the ranking topic comes up: who should be #1 ahead of the current top two, and why?

    Secondly, deserving the money comes down to one thing: winning matches. It isn't about whether you like a players style, how dramatic the match was or how long it went on. It's about winning.

    Two walkovers is worth just as much as winning twice by 7-6(13), 6-7(17), 7-6(10565).

    Venus's effort in getting to the third round was amazing. But she wouldn't be any less deserving if her second-round opponent had contracted bronchitis. It doesn't work that way.
     
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  16. kishnabe

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    Leave women alone...man what your stupid problem. I am assuming you a man...and you are trying to say women don't desrve their money. You know women go through a lot creating and maintaining kids. So stop being a jerk. Venus deserves her money for getting past the second round and even if she played 4 minutes of tennis big deal.

    If Federer retired 4 min after starting the quaterfinals....You wouldn't make this thread. I seriously hate poeple controversial feeling towards women. Men are feeling insecure with women being more than half the population. Sociology can show how stupid some people think!

    Disgusted with this thread!
     
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  17. Bud

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    And men don't?

    Don't fight bigotry with more bigotry
     
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  18. AM95

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    hehe u guys wanna hear a joke....womans rights ehhehehe










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    all in good fun
     
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    seconded

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    Almost every argument for female players getting equal prize money can be used to argue that wheelchair players should get equal prize money.
     
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    Last I heard men can't get pregnant?:confused:
     
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    The argument for male players getting more prize money can be used to argue that the winner of a tournament should get equal prize money to the runner-up.
    After all, they played both the same amount of best-of-whatever matches.

    Also, since we're paying for work, not rank, GS semifinalists would get 6/7 of the prize money for finalists, QF would pay 5/7 and 1st round would pay 1/7.
     
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    Women do not deserve equal prize money. Understand that tennis is also a business. Women's tennis doesn't generate as much revenue as men's tennis.
     
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    Here's my question: She would get the same prize money even if she wouldn't have taken the court?
     
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    Of course, she gets the prize money for reaching the third round, i.e winning two matches.
     
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    100% correct. People like Billie Jean King like to put a flowery gloss on it by arguing that it is for "equality" when basic logical reflection will tell you that it is not. Best of 5 format in women's tennis is desperately needed to make this "equality" claim remotely credible.
     
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    He did not want a true response about the OP, so the option was not added.
     
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    wheelchair players should be getting equal prize money.

    imo wheelchair tennis looks harder than regular tennis.
     
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    Profession tennis is a business not a social program. If they wanted to the can give the women $10,000,000 for the winner and give them men $1000. If the men don’t like it they can leave and do something else or start another tour. From a purely mathematical argument it’s ridiculous to pay the women the same as the men because the men bring in more money and viewers. But it works with their business model so more power to them. Everyone is making a killing either way and that’s why nobody’s complaining.
     
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    Say prize money is awarded only after the tournament ends, and disbursement is based on how much effort was shown by each of the ladies. Some will outperform others with better dramatics, giving the appearance of effort, but still lose the match. How about the money going to the one who tried the hardest when her opponent was never pushed?
     
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    Ideally every draw would split a % based on ticket sales, TV ratings and merchandise at the end of the tournament. So if for some reason mixed doubles became the most watched event and people were killing themselves for tickets then it would be the event that paid the most amount of money. This would be the most fair system for everyone that is completely devoid of any discrimination. Purely performance based and would give players the opportunity to increase their pay by becoming more entertaining.
     
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    Just FYI, ratings for the women's AO final were higher than the men's final (which were almost 50% down from last year)

    So I guess from a purely mathematical argument it's ridiculous to pay men as much women, unless they're playing either Fed or Nadal :p
     
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  35. Devilito

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    You guess wrong. How you can draw a generalized conclusion from a statistical anomaly really is mind blowing. What you are suggesting is that on average the WTA draws more viewers than the ATP which is ridiculous.
     
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