Ernest Gublis forehand

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  1. ac10splyr

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    What the hell is up with gublis' forehand. Watching the delray and dont remember his off hand being sooooo ugly....any thoughts
     
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    Does it work though?
     
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  5. always_crosscourt

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    Gulbis's forehand may be ugly and unconventional, but he seems to get pace and spin with it.

    The commentators of Delray Beach have done nothing but make fun of it.

    I wonder if the American fixation with making all of their players carbon copies of each other, and ironing out all idiosyncrasies to technique (which may produce great or at least different results) is hurting them in the long run.
     
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    when it works it can not be ugly.. joke :)
    seriously Ernie takes the best of it nowadays.. and at the moment he is 1 set behind the Delray title being qualifier(!)
     
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  7. TennisCJC

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    Huh? "American fixation with making all of their players carbon copies" - I'm American and I don't see your point.

    Gulbis' forehand is ugly and not all that good for an ATP pro. Do you really believe he has a high quality forehand for an ATP pro? To me, it is no where as near as good as the rest of his game and needs work. It is an enourmous swing and he makes more unforced errors on the forehand. He also does not get the depth and consistency that he gets on his backhand. I think the commentators were amused at his forehand because it is butt ugly and not very good.

    Jim Courier, Pete Sampras, Andy Roddick, Andre Agassi, Michael Chang and many other Americans all have very different games. Chang dropped the racket head early on his 2 HBH while Agassi did not. Sampras lead back with the elbow and kept his racket head pointing forward on his FH while Courier kept the racket in front on his FH. Agassi has compact simple swings and could not volley very well while Sampras had longer swings and had an excellent volley. Lots of differences to those that are not biased.
     
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    I don't know what matches you've been watching, but that forehand is ridiculously powerful and he hasn't made many errors in his matches. He's had the forehand for at least 2 years.
     
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  9. djarvik

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    Indeed.

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    The matches I was watching this weekend seemed to show the Gulbis forehand landing short in the service box quite often.

    Sure it worked for him and he won a title, but that forehand will be exposed for the weakness it is when he meets one of the big boys.

    A hard hitter like Berdych or Tsonga will create real problems for the Gulbis forehand as his setup and motion require too much time.

    A solid baseliner that can retrieve all day like Ferrer, Djokovic, and Nadal will get hit to the Gulbis forehand until it breaks down. So much motion in it that its going to break first over the players with better technique.
     
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  11. dominikk1985

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    His FH motion is really whippy and can create a lot of racket head speed because there is a lot of separation. also very nice "pat the dog" motion.

    but it also takes a lot of time and is prone to timing issues which can lead to tons of errors. the motion is not bad per se but IMO it is too complicated to be consistent.
     
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  12. always_crosscourt

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    And those were a good decade or longer ago.

    Where are all the unique and successful American talents now?

    They're all middle-of-the-road hard-courters with loopy forehands, big 1st serve, average movement, average net-play and cookie-cutter two-handed backhands.
     
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  13. TennisCJC

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    The last 3 American's in the top 10 were Roddick, Isner, and Fish. Fish and Roddick play very differently - Fish has a great volley and top notch 2 handed backhand while Roddick depended on serve and forehand. Isner plays similarly to young Roddick when Roddick crushed the FH but this is the only way Isner can play due to his size 6'10" and limited movement.

    The other 2 young Americans Ryan Harrison and Jack Sock both have 2 HBH's but Harrison is a very different player in that he has a tremendous kick serve and likes to attack. Jack Sock's FH is big but somewhat "loopy" while Harrison's FH is very aggressive and not so "loopy". Also, Harrison is an excellent athlete and mover.

    Why are you so determined to bash American tennis? Are you from Latvia? Related to Gulbis? Yes, there isn't a young American at the moment that looks like the next number 1 but America is a big country and things can change fast.
     
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    What you seem to be overlooking is that if his forehand was so bad he would not have won Delray.
     
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    Gulbis has a darn good forehand, cracked many winners vs. Querrey, Haas and Vasselin all over the court, he also had some delicate drop shot winners off that wing. I really like Gulbis game right now and especially his fighting spirit, he had a fantastic tournament and overcame many treacherous moments, like 0-40, 0-4 down vs. Q, and set points down, Gulbis might be transforming before our eyes into an elite player, like Ferrer, Davydenko, Djokovic, Fed, Murray, overcame periods of underachievement to eventually become dominant monsters.
     
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  16. RogerRacket111

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    Its ugly. Ugly generally means not efficient and will break down or break some part of his body down.
     
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    wouldn't go as far as to say transformation for winning one small title, but a great effort and result. and his fh looks unconventional but even as it is it's a tremendous shot. a few years ago watching querry debuting at US open from the courtside and he was hitting so much harder than anyone else but it seems gulbis fh is even harder.
     
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  18. Relinquis

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    i disagree with this assembly line mentality to tennis strokes. nearly all top 20 pro level strokes have variation and flair.

    amarican tennis is so intertwined with this concept of standardisation and almost puritanical approach to perfection in technique that i wonder if the coaches are unintentionally eliminating important parts of a players technique in the name of efficiency or some puritanical concept of perfection.

    An efficiency approach would have gotten rid of Nadal's buggywhip forehand, Gasquet's slingshot backhand and federer's squash shots before they had a chance to develop them into the weapons that have defined their careers. Would have cleansed away their character and their talent.

    What happened to american individualism? Why should every US player be a USTA clone?
     
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    Most screwed up shot in tennis. It is really odd because few years ago, he was hitting shot more normal traditional way
     
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  20. boramiNYC

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    many people involved in USTA think they are backed by science hence so much authority oftentimes. they don't see science only plays a small part in the whole aspect of the game and technique. my impression these days is Europeans have better attitude toward this end.
     
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  21. Buford T Justice

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    Yes.....I'd ask any of the criticizers of this FH to see it in person. It is a bomb and very effective. I was pretty well shocked when I saw it up close. I don't think I've ever seen anyone hit FHs that hard.
     
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  22. heninfan99

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    The ugliest stroke I've ever seen even at the weekend warrior level.
     
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  23. TennisCJC

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    No, I am not overlooking that he managed to win is spite of his FH weakness.

    What you are overlooking is he obviously hits more short and weaker balls on his FH than on his BH, and he makes more UF errors on his FH. Geez, he ran around his FH on 2 or 3 occassions in the final to hit BHs - I have not seen that at the pro level since Sharapova beat Serena at Wimby about 8 years or so ago.

    Most pros have a relative weakness and the FH is Gulbis' weaker side and my opinion is it just was not very good compared to top 50 ATP players.

    Let me ask you a question. If Gulbis could make a deal with the devil and suddenly have Federer's FH, or Del Po's FH, or Nadal's FH, or Ferrer's FH, or Murray's FH, or "plug in any top 20 play here", do you think Gulbis would make the deal? The answer is hell yes he would. Do you think he would trade his BH? The answer is hell no he would not.
     
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    ...then I am afraid you don't know much about the guy ;) He would proudly say that his is better. :)

    His Forehand is prone to Errors, I don't think anyone denies this, but it is also his second weapon after serve. He relies on it to hit winners, make things happen. Sure, he can "attempt" to dial it down and keep it in the court, clean up some errors....but that clean up will likely cost him a good amount of winners and/or favorable situations. Being he is not as fast as some guys, doesn't move as well - he hardly has a choice but to go after a winner/commit an error. The key is to dial it in just right, to get just the right ratio and support that serve of his.

    His backhand is definitely a more solid shot, but it is most of the time a rally shot. He is not comfortable attacking on that side, but he can keep the pace rather fast and place it deep enough to avoid being attacked. So all these BH to BH rallies that you see him involved make his BH look like a "better shot". But the big question is: is it really a better shot for his brand of tennis? ...personally, I think it is a great compliment to the Big FH, it makes the opponent choice tougher: "do I go to the more consistent BH or do I try to go to that Booming FH side?"

    I am not entirely happy with his FH motion either, but it is effective "so far". So I will take it.
     
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    I don't understand why people like yourself seem to think that saying a stroke is ugly is the same as saying it sucks.

    People have called Nadal's game ugly, but that doesn't mean it is not effective.
     
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    Gulweed wants to mimic Rafa´s drive!!!
     
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    The forehand looked like it lost some power.
    However he hit a few around 98 mph off that wing.

    It remains to be seen how he handles players who take the ball early and put something on it. It seems he needs a little more time to set up.

    Right now you can't argue with the results.
    IW will tell a lot more if he can get through the qualies which he's playing the first round today against Christin Harrison ranked 392, 150 lbs and 18 years.
     
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    Not to sound rude, though you may interpret this however you want, but I don't think you've watched enough of Gulbis playing to understand that his forehand is his better stroke.
     
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    Gulbis answering questions* on his forehand recently:


    I love this mentality. The guy want's to play big boy tennis. Aggressive tennis.


    * Source: New York Times: http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/a-fast-climb-after-a-steep-fall/
     
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