espn paintjob article

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  1. dander

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  2. robkat

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    A very good and interesting article.
     
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  3. drakulie

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    Great article! Thanks for posting it.
     
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  4. Matt H.

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    wow, Mike Ludwig is in the article.


    very interesting article. I like how Prince and Head denie Sharapova, Kuerten, and Safin use paint jobs, even after pro stringers quoted them as doing so.


    Especially Sharapova. Who do they think they're kidding? NO ONE, regardless of ranking/status, would switch racquets a couple weeks after winning Wimbledon. :lol:
     
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  5. Richie Rich

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    This confirms what most people on this board already knew. Most pro's are using paint jobs. Hopefully no more posts on this subject.

    What I find really funny is Head adamantly saying their players don't use paint jobs and Agassi's racquet is only "customized" for him but is basically the radical you buy off the shelf. NO WAY! Take a look at a close up picture of any player with a paint job LM prestige (Kuerten, Safin, Grosjean, Clement, Arazi, Enqvist, Scheuttler, Agassi) and look at the liquid metal peices. They are painted silver and gray to make it look like the ridges on the stock consumer racquets.
     
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  6. drakulie

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    This confirms it. Federer uses a PS 85.
     
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    thank you, great article!
     
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  8. @wright

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    Now maybe people won't argue with Mike Ludwig on here!
     
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  9. Dino Lagaffe

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    Why hasn't the tennis racket world been tested like the golf ball market was in 2000 when Public Remedies sued Nike Golf? I could care less about paint jobs among pros, but anyway...
     
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  10. dander

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    LOL drak
     
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    Thanks for the post, very interesting article, maybe the manufacturers should just make the rackets players want to use rather than gimmicks like Liquid Metal, etc..

    Graphite is still the best. Not sure about Nano technology, sounds like it would be extremely stiff.
     
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  12. Tennis Guy

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    Thanks for the article. And now I have something to prove paint job disbelievers wrong.
     
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  13. perfmode

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    No, Federer uses a custom "Federer" racquet which is 90" stick w/ the characteristics of the ps 85.
     
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  14. BreakPoint

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    After reading that article, I have new found respect for Mark Philippoussis.

    Also, I think this paintjob thing has gone a bit too far when even college players are using paintjobs. I mean most college matches aren't even televized so how much exposure can they be giving to their racquets?
     
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  15. tennisnoob

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    How can one be so sure of that unless you can get your hands on the actual racket Fed's using??!!
     
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  16. Swan Song

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    A few things I would like to mention regarding Federer's racquet, despite the fact that I have not seen the actual one in a tournament stringing room.

    1. The head lookes bigger than an 85in2. Look at Federer playing with the nCode or the Tour 90 and Sampras playing with the Pro Staff and tell me if you see any difference in the head size.

    2. The racquet I have seen recently shows grooves on the white part of the nCode. If it the racquet did not have any grooves, the white part on the groove section would definately look flat, just like the LiquidMetal corrugations looking darker on Safin and Agassi's racquet.

    3. The string pattern is 16x19

    4. The bottom part that meets the grip is long like the Pro Staff 6.0, while the bottom part of the Tour 90 and nCode is short.

    Anyway, that should tell us that it is not the Pro Staff 6.0 85 or 90in2, and it is a cross between the Tour 90 mold and the 6.0 mold.
     
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  17. ChiefAce

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    I know of top college and junior players using paint jobs but what can ya do? It doesn't really matter in the end because these companies will paint racquets for kids that haven't even turned pro yet. It keeps these players happy and you never know who will be a star for sure.
     
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  18. silent bob

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    The only pros' racquets that should be of any interest to anybody are the ones from players without stencils (like the RDti50 Karol Kucera's was using last time I saw him). Only when a player is not being sponsored do you have any certainty on what stick they start with before customization.

    Even then, you still have no idea about actual weight, balance, strings, tension, grip. . . let alone how you are going to mimic their technique to get the same results.

    Bottom line: don't waste time speculating on what the pros use.

    And unless you're willing to spend the time and money to restring and regrip 5 sticks for each match, the pros' strings, tension and grips are not that relevant to mere mortals like us either.
     
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  19. drakulie

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    Federer=PS 85!
     
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  20. srvnvly

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    Thanks for posting the article! It's nothing new (to us tennis message board geeks anyway!) that pros paint their racquets.
     
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    Here is a hypothetical. Let's say that the racquet companies don't paint pros racquets like current models, what should they paint them as. Oh, they should just paint them like what the player is actually using, OK. So Aggassi uses an old radical with a custom handle, string pattern and who knows what else (is it really an old radical, a new radical or something else) so what should it be painted like, his own cosmetic, because technically it isn't exactly an old radical either? OK. What if another player uses that same mold customized differently that Andre's, should that also be another cosmetic, and if a third player likes it a little lighter and stiffer that is yet another cosmetic. And should the manufacturer make all these "different" models available to public? There wouldn't be a wall big enough to stock all the different models. And if they are painted as something you can't buy people would complain again. Is seems to me that this is an ongoing discussion that will never end. Bottom line if the manufacturer made the racquet they can use their players to promote the brand, and that is really it.
     
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  22. Don S

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    Well I know that if I could get the actual racquet than Andy Roddick uses, I'd win the US Open. I've tried the Pure Drive and found it to be just an ok racquet, nothing special, but if I had Roddicks Pure Drive.. well now we're talking. I think Babolat owes me the same amount of money that this years winner will receive since I have obviously been a victim of a premeditated campaign to deceive me. While I'm at it, I'm also sure that I'd have been the one lifiting the Wimbledon trophy this year if only I had a ...........
     
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  23. BaselineAce

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    GREAT article! :)
     
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  24. Matt H.

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    let's go ahead and end this Federer talk with someone who ACTUALLY KNOWS and has handled/strung Federer's racquets:

     
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    Don't flatter the guy by replying to his posts,

    i learnt after telling him about the string pattern differences about 7 times he just won't give in, it's probably because he wants to believe the best player in the world plays with the same stick as he does.

    He doesn't give an argument and is clearly abit of a moron, so we should just ignore him.

    Even said drakulie, if you can put together an argument proving Federer is using the PS85 i for one would love to hear it! :D
     
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  26. tennisnoob

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    Hey Drak, say something.......the guy's insulted you!!!
     
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  27. Ray Wong

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    Honestly, I don't think Federer use PS85, that because it's 16x19 string pattern and it's a grooves at both sides of the bottom hoop. The upper part(hoop) like T90/N90 and bottom part(handle & throat) like PS85, I think it's a custom frame.

    Interesting in here that most of us think the old one is better than the new one. I have imagine someday in future, there may be some top player use a paintjob that is T90/N90 actually!!!
     
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  28. Michael Ludwig

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    drakulie, what makes you so certain its a a 6.0 85?
     
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  29. ProStaffTour90

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    Well we were actually talking about "drakulie (Fed=PS85)"

    Sorry for the mis-understanding
     
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  30. gregraven

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    I know I wasn't very popular for writing this on another message thread, but when I hold up one of Federer's racquets to a stock nSix-One Tour 90, the only substantive difference I can see is that the spacing of the cross strings is less dense in the center. On the Babolat RDC machine, they're pretty close: 361 grams vs 354 stock, balance 31.75 cm vs 32 cm, and 331 swingweight vs 325 stock. Flex on each is the same at 66.
     
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  31. drakulie

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    Like many others on this message board, I too have strung federers racquet, and spoken to a guy, who knows this other guy, who has a third cousin that once worked a tournament and met a stringer who custom handles federers racquets. It is a PS 85.

    My point being is nobody (at least no one on this message board) knows for sure what racquet Federer plays with. So, my guess is as good as anyone elses.

    That being said, anytime this topic comes up I will continue to say that Federer plays with a PS 85. And, that comment is as good as anyone elses. What is funny is how all of you call me ignorant, or whatever else, and the fact of the matter is you all know as little about Federers racquet as I do.

    Good night idiots!
     
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  32. Ruuzo

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    thanks gregraven, the info is appreciated!!
     
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  33. alan-n

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    Federer grew up learning the game of tennis and refinning his stokes around a PS 85 with lead tape and weights......

    I don't see lead tape on his racquet, so I'll have to assume it is a custom mold based on the PS 85.
     
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  34. vin

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    That's what stencils are for.
     
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