espn should be owned by canadians

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  1. James Brown

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    that way wed only see mens matches and ENTERTAINING WOMENS MATCHES (a la capriati - henin at the us open last year). I say canadians because...this would allow me to actually see some tennis that isnt being broadcast at 8am on a stupid exam day/school day and the fact that other than nestor/knowles, we have no players in any draws and as such wed only show competitive matches. ALso, no stupidly biased commentaries, because once again, we have no one to root for.

    SO, IF THERE IS A GOD, SELL ESPN TO CANADA. Thank you
     
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  2. 007

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    Hot news flash: TSN is alrady partially-owned by ESPN....that's why we get the ESPN feeds. Yes...it sucks. Remember SportDesk before it became SportsCentre? At least we sill have great beer and good relations with every country on earth.
     
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  3. dander

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    every country except the US...
     
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  4. Robbiser

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    yes, it is neat that all the spineless countries tend to stick together. And by the way your beer is not that good, eh.
     
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  5. Free_Martha

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    Say, when does Canada plan on producing some tennis prodigies? ;)
     
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  6. Richie Rich

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    Spineless? Not so sure about that. Ask the boys in Afghanistan that. BTW, found any WofMD yet?

    Tennis prodigies? Will never happen, unless you think 150 in the world is a prodigy. Althought in the early 90's Snajder was ranked 50 but he's a fat *** now and can't hit the ball properly b/c his gut gets in the way. :lol:
     
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  7. Robbiser

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    It is generally accepted that soldiers (evan the ones on the losing side of a battle) are not spineless, rather fairly brave. Evan the 15 Canadians in Afghanistan. That said, I responded to a poster that said Canada had good relations with other counrties. A country is represented by its (spineless) government.

    In response to your comment about WMD. The US is not the only country the believes there are WMD. Because none may have been found does not mean they do not exist. SH did use chemical weopons on the Kurds. He did also violate several (inept) UN Resolutions after the Gulf War. We can go all day on
    the merrits of this war.

    Answer this: Why are so many people leaving Canada to come to the US? It wouldn't have to do with the socialist system, high taxes, or the lack of jobs, would it?
     
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  8. pound cat

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    It has mostly to do with your excellent free health care system and your foreign policy. Never mind, it's really because of Target.
     
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  9. William Bedford

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    I am a Canadian living in the UK.

    Everywhere I have visited in Europe: France, Greece, Turkey, Italy, Switzerland, Holland and Germany - they all HATE americans. People here assume I am american (north american accent)- when I correct them they always apologize.....

    I think the US is probably the greatest place in the world to live. Pretty cheap prices and a good diversity of places to see and visit. Too bad the majority of yanks cant see beyond their back door and have decided to try and eat themselves to death.
     
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  10. redpurusha

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    "Answer this: Why are so many people leaving Canada to come to the US? It wouldn't have to do with the socialist system, high taxes, or the lack of jobs, would it?"

    Most Candadians I know come to work for a few years than go back to Canada. Have you been to Canada? In the US if you fall down the steps and break some bones requiring a couple days in the hospital you will be paying that $10,000 bill off after your bones have healed. In Canada all your medical expenses are paid off and drugs are cheaper! If you are going to critique any system at least have the fairness of acknowledging the pros and cons. There are just wars and unjust wars. Afganistan is one thing and Iraq is another, Canada chose to send soldiers to only the more justifed one. This has nothing to do with being spineless.

    I think the point James Brown wanted to make is that it would be better for all tennis fans if we could see the really good matches with impartial (to any nation) commentaries (which Canand could do a better job of because they don't have any of their own pros to root for).

    Only a tiny fraction of Americans are remotely interested in Tennis, as proof http://polls.yahoo.com/public/archives/25664825/p-sp-3

    I have seen the top women play and it's boring. Guys usually tune in to see a hot body or pretty face. I don't watch tennis to get aroused. The men's matches are overwhelmingly more interesting and intense. In america profits are #1 priority thus the true tennis fans suffer.
     
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  11. Robbiser

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    To Mr. Bedford-
    I am from Germany, but have lived in the US for many years. I have also traveled around Europe, and understand what you mean about the perception of Americans. Unfortunately, some bad apples spoil the lot. I understand your point, and on some levels agree.

    The last thing you said was that most Americans can't see past thier back door and eat themselves to death. That is sad, but true. Most Americans eat like pigs.

    Redpurusha-
    Couple of things- You prove my point. "Most Candadians I know work for a few years and go back to Canada" Why are they leaving if not to better themselves? Keep in mind, moving uproots the whole family so the benefit must be pretty good to do so. Most people don't move for the hell of it.

    Second, if you break your leg and go to the doctor you require a service. That service is very specialized, thus very expensive. You are obligated to pay for said service. That is how a capitalist society works. The government did not break your leg, nor did your neighbor. Why should they pay for the repair? Note there are exceptions. Also note that capitalism breeds innovation. Without innovation said leg would be tied to a board as a splint, not in an air cast, or whatever.

    Also note you state the med bill is paid, and the drugs are cheaper. For whom? You pay that bill when you earn your wages. So you pay for it up front. What if you never go to the hospital? There is no such thing as a free lunch. You may not pay, but someone did.

    And consider this, you can be seen here at a monents notice for such things like cancer. Because health care is percieved as free many more people go, thus creating a jam.

    Third, That is your opinion on which war is the more justified. As they relate to terrorism, I disagree.

    Fourth, I have been to Canada, and it was alright.

    Finally, in terms of tennis I agree.
     
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  12. 007

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    The pot has bene sufficiently stirred. All that REALLY matters is that the FLAMES will bring Lord Stanley's Cup back to the homeland on Saturday night. It does not deserve to be won by a team representing the state that was reponsible for the 'election; of 'W".
     
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  13. redpurusha

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    Robbiser, no system is perfect for everyone. I just wanted to point out some pros. These Canadians I know don't have families, mostly exploring new lands and trying to make money. I agree that here it's more fair in the sense the harder and smarter you work the more you get in return, period. Canada is much cleaner and safer, America breeds innovation (like the thousand ab rollers)... and we can go on and on about the pros and cons. I'm from Poland living in the US for most of my life, there's another list of pros and cons I can get into... but I'm glad we agree in terms of tennis.

    I can see at least one point in the US going over to Iraq, taking out Sadam and establishing a soverign government, I wish they had come over and done the same in central/eastern europe back in the 50's.
     
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  14. Cruzer

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    I was born in Montreal and grew up in Toronto and moved to the U.S. twenty years ago. I am proud to now be a U.S. citizen and even prouder not to be a Canadian citizen after the gutless non-support of the U.S. by the commissars in Ottawa. Canada is like the cry baby kid who says you better not do anything mean to me or my big brother (read U.S.) will beat the crap out of you while I hide behind him the whole time. Canadians love to get on their high horse and say how the world loves them and hates all Americans, that Canada is nothing like the U.S., Canadians have their own identity and never want to be cast in the same light as the U.S. Yet 75% of the population lives within 150 miles of the Canada-U.S. border, Canadians devoutly watch U.S. television programming, Canadians can't get enough U.S. created comsumables, Canadians drive cars designed in the U.S. and the government will gladly let U.S. companies set up subsidiary companies in Canada, tax them to death of course, so as to create jobs for Canadians. Canada - the country that never grew up.
    BTW, there is no such thing as "free" health care. Anyone who believes that must also believe in "government intelligence" and the earth is flat.
     
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  15. Robbiser

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    Redpurusha- We probably agree on many things, one of them being tennis. I understand that you were presenting pros (in your opinion). No problem, I hope you did not get offended at my opinion to the contrary.

    I have some pretty close relatives that got to DBR from Poland right after the 2nd. WW. They have expressed a similar sentiment about the East Bloc after WW2.

    007, Lets hope the hockey playoffs that no one cares about (pretty bad when a 20 year old Cosby show re-run beats it in the ratings) end soon. Then the NHL can strike or lock out, and kill the sport.

    Your comment about President Bush is silly at best. I won't respond any further.

    Cruzer, glad to have you in the US.
     
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  16. 007

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    Thanks...you made my point for me. We get practically all of the stuff you get but are still our own country that is not univerally despised. Cheque please.
     
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  17. Cruzer

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    007 - If your point is Canadians are hypocrites and like to talk out of both sides of their mouths at the same time then I agree that your point has been made.
     
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  18. @wright

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    "We get practically all of the stuff you get"

    If Canadians use Americans as a barometer for how good it is to live in Canada, then I'd say America must be doing something right. Did I mention we are the richest country in the world?
     
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  19. James Brown

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    ugh, i shoulda known this wanna gonna happen..lol, im not gonna contribute any more...

    but, awright, youre the richest country? yeah, but you have health care, you have debts and mass amounts of poverty. the rich are really rich, the poor are really poor. not that i give a ****, but theres details being omitted..hehe.

    anyway, i stand by my original point, that i want more tennis, less women's charades that pretend to be tennis and i want unbiased commentary. dont interrupt the f*cking match to give me 10 minutes of excuses as to why andy roddick f*cking lost, i DONT CARE.

    And yeah, i hope the flames win goddamit, we need something to be proud of in canada. now our government is being retarded, ******* paul martin, we need to resurrect trudeau.
     
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  20. @wright

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    James, yes we have poor that are really poor, but don't believe for a second that people in USA are forced into poverty, in fact, some Americans embrace it. There are millions of people out there driving BMW's, and they are poorer than the people living in the projects in chicago because the "rich" idiots don't own anything, they just have lots of notes and debts to pay off. We also have millions living off welfare, not even trying to get a damn job, our country is too generous to the poor. Our country gives people endless chances to do well for themselves, even though there are some poor people out there, it's not like Somalia stuff. The biggest thing I am embarassed of with our country is the obesity rate and the view other countries have of fat Americans sitting at McDonald's and stuffing super sized value meals in their face. You make a good point about the tennis though. We need a FOXNEWS equivalent of tennis coverage.
     
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  21. Cruzer

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    The U.S. has poverty and really poor people but Canada has plenty as well. There are homeless people wandering the streets of Toronto or Vancouver just as there are New York or San Francisco. Canada manages to cover a lot of it up with a welfare/unemployment system that pays people not to work. You want to see poverty in Canada visit the maritime provinces. When it is not commercial fishing season the people that do that part of the year sit at home the rest of the year living "off the dole". If socialism makes you feel better because you think you have "free" health care and no poverty then you are in the right place.
     
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  22. BigboyDan

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    This is a tennis board, right?
     
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  23. topspin

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    You people don't know what you're talking about. So much generalizing here, "I think this and I think that and I know him and bla bla bla". There are reasons why Canada decided what it did and you can't expect a country to just follow along blindly and not make its own decision, right or wrong. Oh and Canada is always highly rated in that "best places to live" list that comes out every year.

    Hockey rules! I don't get the basketball craze in the US, it's sooooooo boring. I can never stay awake for even 5 minutes of watching it. Baseball, let's not even go there, not even a sport. Football is allright but quite boring 99% of the time because of the 4 downs and all the running plays. And btw NBC will be showing NHL games next year (if they play, lol).

    The states is just too close minded about sports. Watch any Olympic broadcast on a US station (usually NBC) and it makes you wanna scream for how biased they are and how little they know about other countries. Well it's their loss.

    Personally I can't wait to watch the world's greatest sport (I love tennis too but have to call it as it is) with the Euro 2004 soccer (real football) starting soon.
     
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  24. pound cat

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    Ahh...the beautiful game....love it too
     
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