Essay About Gender Inequality/Equality In Sports

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  1. greystar403

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    My English class is writing essays based on real world issues. I chose to do an essay about gender equality in sports because I see the topic of different prize money values to men and women in tennis all the time in these forums.

    I know this might be an issue only found in tennis, but I would like to find out if there is any inequality in other sports as well. Things that can be equal/unequal pay, endorsements, media exposure, and performance based issues.

    As of right now, this might be a big controversial issue so I am not choosing a side yet (women should compete equally as men OR women need special conditions in order to compete alongside men). I would like to see how much information I get before I choose a side.

    I would like to use credible sources I can take quotes from. Interviews and press conferences would be nice too. This doesn't have to be just TENNIS. ANY sport is welcome to put their input here.

    Thanks! :)
     
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    Hey listen, both male and female pro Tennis are relatively poor sports compared with most big sports because way fewer people watch it compared to soccer, football, baseball etc. Only about 100 men & 100 women can earn a living in tennis off prize money. Most businesses don't do huge sponsorship for male and female pro tennis because its not great business, the return on investment isn't good enough to pay huge amount in tennis.


    Female sports outside of tennis have the same problem.
    Where will the money come from?

    Female pro sports:
    audience is smaller
    ticket sales aren't enough
    sponsorship from companies is too low because audience is much smaller
    tv time screen time is smaller because audience is smaller
    Limited prime time tv slots. Womens leagues will need to be able to muscle out half male league sports to get half the primetime tv viewership.


    This is not about sexism in my eyes. Female supermodels earn immensely more than male supermodels. Is there rampant sexism towards males in the fashion industry?.... no.
     
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    A large portion of males in northamerican, european, southamerican, and asian cultures divert a good deal of their past time to watching male league sports. A significant number of males divert a good portion of their income to sport of their interest.

    What incentive will there be to attact large portions of females to watching female sports, and diverting males to switch half of their viewing time and dollars to watching female pro sports?
     
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    Allow me to be specific with the sides I have to choose from. There is in fact gender equality in sports.

    Should there be inequality? Or no?
     
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    In the end its about money. As we all know it doesn't grow on trees. Where will the money come from?
     
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    One piece of advice: if you're going to tackle such a controversial topic, make sure you do your research thoroughly. If you're a little short on your research, you are almost guaranteed to get hammered by the marker regardless whether it's a male or female marker.
     
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    Men's tennis subsidizes women's tennis. The market is being sidetracked in pro tennis.

    In the rest of the pro sports, the market rules and earnings are commensurate with the total gate (including TV broadcast rights.)
     
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    Gender equality in sports is oxymoronic.

    A 4.5/5 male tennis club hacker destroys serena williams.

     
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    Man, you must be smokin' the good stuff. I repeat, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GENDER EQUALITY IN SPORTS.

    You can't be this dense.
     
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    If you're not a Big name in the tennis field. Money is tough to come by. The pay structure should be equal and even more so given for the lower ranked players. And going back to the gender equality thing, the women should be paid the same. They attract girls and young and old women into the sport. They're ambassadors for the game. If every woman in the world decided to not to play, the whole tennis industry would shrink dramatically - The economy in this field would be ruined.

    Best example is one of those muslim countries where only the men can play sport. It shouldn't be a surpise that they're not a sporting nation. There's virtually no consumer demand from women what so ever. And surprise surprise virtually no economy.
     
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    Pro tennis is pay for performance. If one wins, one is rewarded, if one loses, not so much.

    The ATP carries far too many players. The top 10 or 20 guys could have their own tour and make a lot more money.

    The ATP carries the WTA especially at the majors and shared events. The ATP should push for separate events.

    Pro sports is not a socialist experiment. You don't get a trophy and a big check just for showing up.
     
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    Somebody mentioned above that the audience for a women's sport is smaller than for the men in the same sport. Not entirely true. A study by one of the news wire services found that after football, perhaps the most watched sport in America is actually women's figure skating (you can find it on TV almost every Sunday in the winter), which has a much larger audience than men's figure skating.
     
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    I don't believe figure skating is the 2nd most popular sports... not by a long shot.

    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/07/halftime-the-50-most-viewed-sporting-events-of-2012-so-far/

    It is not gender inequality, it's how the business world works. Your value is tied to the amount of revenue you generate. Why are men/women slams paying the same then? Probably because the backlash from such an unPC move as not giving equal pay would be more devastating to revenues than just shelling out the extra cash. And to be fair womens tennis at one point was generating more buzz in the US than mens.

    It's not about playing the same amount of sets or doing the same amount of work, it's about how much money you bring in to your employer. Contrary to what is taught in school we don't care how hard you work, we care about results. There is no A for effort. Though more likely than not an A for effort will also get you an A for results :)

    That is why female supermodels, figure skaters, porn stars(lol), waitresses/bartenders, even construction(though I can't figure out why on this one) make more than their male counter parts. But, you'll never hear complaints about that.

    With that being said, don't confuse this with me implying that gender inequality in the work place does not exist.
     
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    ^^ study was done by either UPI or AP, you can look it up. I think it was done 10 or 15 years ago. The data you cite support my point as all the top rated INDIVIDUAL events are NFL games, which was ahead of skating in total audience. The rest are INDIVIDUAL events, again most of them football which I noted was ahead of skating, (single game or day) that don't reflect the total ANNUAL viewership for that sport.
     
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    I wasn't able to find the actual article just references to it. It was a survey by the National Sport Study published by the AP done in 1993! I hope you are not trying to imply that the study is actually still relevant. Figure skating is not even on the radar anymore.

    http://www.therichest.org/sports/most-popular-sports-in-america/
    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2011/01/Jan-25/Ratings-and-Research/Harris-Poll.aspx
    http://www.harrisinteractive.com/Ne...cleId/675/ctl/ReadCustom Default/Default.aspx

    Individual event viewership is not exactly what I would call uncorrelated to annual viewership...
     
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    Figure skating is on network TV on Sundays throughout the winter, and sometimes other parts of the year as well. I think it is more relevant than the gargage studies you are citing -- the ones about frequency of website browsing usually tell us more about which sports are of gambling interest than what is being watched.
     
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    For all the popular team sports (hockey, soccer, football, etc) each team is a separate business, an separate franchise. Some of the franchise may own a team in the female league but not all. But can these franchises afford to double millions they give to the players, by giving the female team the same amount as the male team? Lots of franchise teams in lots of sports would go bankrupt.

    Whats the next answer? The male sport teams get pay cuts? Split half the player salary between the men and women teams? Well this would only be possible if the franchise owns a womens league team. If the franchise didn't own a female team would they give their millions of revinue to another business (franchise)?

    What if every team franchise owner and every player in every sport agreed to take a 30-40% pay cut to give to female players, all except 1 stubborn team? That 1 team that would refuse would have the highest salaries for male players and thus attract the best male players who want the highest pay.
     
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    You know that the AP "study" was not based on viewership number right? It was based on a survey of individuals just like the harris pole was and just like the espn poll linked below. They are not based on website hits like you're suggesting.

    Find me one... just one recent survey or viewership stats that shows figure skating as the 2nd most popular sport.

    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...all-Remains-Most-Popular-Spectator-Sport.aspx

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/2008-01-23-skating_N.htm <- USA Today article talking about the fall of figure skating

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...e-skating-championships-48-hours-down/166926/
    ^Figure skating on NBC beat out on Fox by UFC of all things, UFC! And this was the National Championships last week.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/figureskating/columns/story?id=3212691

    Honestly, you are either delusional or just arguing for the sake of arguing if you think figure skating is still the 2nd most popular sport in the US by viewership or by popularity.

    I mean jeez, even people on a figure skating forum aren't this delusional. http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?40000-Figure-Skating-s-Popularity-Decline

    But, hey it's on network tv it must be popular. Fact is more more than couple golf events and even horse racing made it into the to 50 this year. Figure skating? None. Not even it's most popular event. You really think annual viewership is above that of MLB, NBA, NCAAB, and NCAAF, NASCAR when they can't get one of their events to make the top 50 most viewed of the year list? Unless of course you believe annual viewership isn't correlated to event viewership at all lol.
     
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    Dang it. Yeah I must be smoking something. LOL

    I mean't there is INequality. And my question was should there be equality?
     
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    Of course there is inequality.

    BUT HOW do you propose we create financial equality across all sports?

    Can you respond?

    I showed you a glimpse of how complex resource ownership is and the huge hurdles female team sports must climb to achieve near financial equality. How do we entice tens of millions of american women & men to make womens league sports a big hobby and pasttime.
     
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    If you are going to do research by asking the men of TT, you are going to fail your class.
     
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    Seems to me you are going to need to define your terms. Sex equality in sports could mean men playing women in the same tournament. In that case, no women would be able to make a living.

    On the other hand, in tennis, big tournaments have been guilted into paying women the same amount as the men. I have my suspicions that ATP tennis draws more fans ($s) than WTA tennis, but I haven't seen the numbers. When it comes to sports participation, there's no question that men are more interested in sports than women.
     
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    Does anyone have data on attendance for ATP and WTA events where men and women compete separately?

    I know BOTW is a WTA event only, and the stadium can hold less than 2K spectators. The ATP holds an event in the bay area as well, the SAP Open. That event's held at HP Pavilion, but only about half the seating is used, so the capacity may be around 9K or so.

    So of the two events held in the bay area, BOTW and SAP, the men's event is held in a venue with a seating capacity more than 4X that of the women's pro event.
     
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    That said OP, she does have a point.

    Further to that end, couldn't the title of this thread have read "Please Do My Homework For Me" ? ? ?


    ;-)
     
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    One of the colleges that I went to has mens and womens hockey. Tickets for mens hockey run $30-$40. There are no tickets for womens hockey. You just walk into the arena. The women were practicing one time when we were there. There was noone in the seats.
     
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    If a student may not make his grade writing an essay in an English class because of his PC or not PC viewpoints, then our educational system is in much deeper problem than I thought..
     
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    No, the student may or may not make his grade because of his research methods, his sources, and their quality (or lack thereof). Citing us random yahoos on this board won't get him anywhere--nor should it. Whether his essay is PC or not, I'll bet if it's cogently argued and logically organized with successful research, it will do well.

    OP: good luck. Are you in high school? Have you found some decent sources? I would think tennis would be an excellent sport to study because the sport is played by both women and men to relatively equal degrees of success, fame, monetary gain, etc. and the remuneration for each tour can be easily accessed and discussed in a comparison.

    I hope you're consulting more authoritative sources than guys called "maleyoyo" on tennis boards, anyway. Good luck to you.
     
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    Most women' sports suck compared to the men's equivalent. The exceptions might be figure skating and gymnastics.

    Women's hockey? Freakin' shoot me! :roll:

    The Lingerie League is okay. :) Mark Rypien's daughter plays in that league on was on TV a few weeks back. Wow!
     
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    Sadly its over. The lingerie league is something of the past. Cool concept but they moved on.
     
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    This is rich. Yep OP please listen to the internet guy named “gully”, not the guy named “maleyoyo”
    What are you…14 years old? Read my post again.
     
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    Still around. Now called the Legends League or some such. They lost the garter belts is about the only change, I think. :)
     
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    In terms of gender equality, some sports which are more female centered or I should say women athletes get more attention tend to be mocked by the media when male athletes compete in them. Female figure skaters get more respect than male figure skaters. Even though men's figure skating is technically more difficult since more men need to do a quad jump in order to be taken seriously by the judges. The hardest jump the women do is a triple lutz. Although Miki Ando I think and another Japanese female skater can do a triple axel.

    For instance, there are certain sports that the sports media consider "soft" for men due to the heterosexism and the homophobia of male sports journalists. For instance, men's figure skating and men's diving gets classified as "gay" because they aren't viewed as masculine sports. Men's diving gets a lot of flack because the male divers have to shave their bodies and also wear extremely tight speedos. Not that there is anything wrong with that though:)

    I remember watching the Olympics last year and let me tell you the male divers are probably the most gorgeous, and handsome men at the Olympic games. These guys are extremely fit, got great abs, muscles, and are just amazing athletes and really hot too!!!


    Male divers are often thought of as gay even though I am sure plenty of them are straight. Diving is actually a very difficult sport which requires a lot of core strength, leg strength to be able to do the twists and tricks.

    I think you can look at figure skating, not in terms of money but in terms of double standards in relation to how they are treated in the media. Figure skating is considered a "graceful" sport yet the male figure skaters are told they have to hide their homosexuality and also appear as masculine as possible. There was a controversy at the last Olympics in Vancouver a few years ago when the American Johnny Weir an openly gay skater got sixth place instead of ending up on the podium. Some skating fans say the judging at the Olympics was homophobia and the judges were punishing Johnny Weir because he is very flamboyant and he doesn't hide his queerness.

    Maybe you can also look at the LPGA the women golfers make less money than the male golfers. Also, there was an issue a few years ago about a transgender female a person who transitioned from male to female who wanted to compete on the women's tour. However, the LPGA had a policy that only people biologically born female are allowed to compete on the women's tour. I heard the LPGA has since changed the policy and I think transgender people can compete in women's golf.
     
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    I am currently a freshman in college.

    The purpose of this post was to expand my knowledge on other sports. Finding articles in the topic I'm studying is EASY when it comes to tennis, but not other sports.

    My essay is pretty much about a controversy and choosing a side while backing it up with evidence. I accept both sides of the argument because if I have a point against my side, I can create a counter argument to further support my claim. I think more from the female perspective would help with my essay.

    ...And no. I am not asking the TT community to do my assignment for me. I'm here pretty often and found a lot of the posters here know what they're talking about. I thought it would be interesting to get a few opinions while finding a few articles on other sports.

    I am currently proposing the topic to my professor and it was approved with flying colors thanks to the TT community (or at least the ones that helped...).

    Feel free to keep posting!
     
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    This is nicely put. There have been efforts at pro female teams of various sorts, but it doesn't work out. The audience prefers male sports because men are inherently faster and stronger---so the athletic performance is more compelling.

    The real question is . . . what do WOMEN want from being sports spectators? (I hope the answer isn't tight pants on football players).
     
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    Interestingly enough to me, when I watch pro tennis I watch the males in order to be amazed. . . but when I want to watch pro tennis in order to learn something useful for myself, I have always--since the Evert Era---watched the women. That's much more translatable to a mere mortal Max.
     
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    Since this is an English class, the topic shouldn’t be your primary focus. As long as you narrow the scope of your topic so that you can easily form your arguments, provide supporting facts, and give your own views of the issue, you should be fine.
    This is your freshman year; your prof expects to see a well-written, well organized essay, covering all the fundamental aspects of how to write an essay, not some fancy tell all story about men/women equalities.
    I could be wrong but this is how it was for me. A lot of people struggled with it because they worried too much about style, not substance.
     
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    I'm a com. college instructor, and the above poster is telling you the truth here. You are in a situation in which your teacher wants to see if you can write.

    God I see awful writing anymore. And the high school teachers all tell me its because of don't ask/don't tell. . . I mean, no kid left behind. Whatever. At any rate, it is to show your dispassionate logic, your reasoning and not an effort to get politically hot and emotional.
     
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    Those last two posts are quite right.

    Why not write an essay about the equality/or not of your school's men's and women's sports.

    Sadly, you may find both exist. Title 9 was an attempt to level the field in terms of opportunity to participate(simply stated) and succeeded in some regard. So there is "equality". But, particularly true if you're at a big school, men's football(SEC/Big Ten/etc) and basketball(ACC/Big East/etc) are the money makers that support most all other collegiate sports programs....
     
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    just wrote an article on the very topic. might be of interest to OP

    http://indecentxposure.com/grind/3f62fd0b3da27bffa8b5bcd6190948fe612d1962/

    an interesting sport to look into is motorsports, where men and women compete side by side at almost all the levels. in a way, women racing drivers have a biological ADVANTAGE compared to men of similar skill levels due to being shorter/lighter in general. not saying that they have access to the same quantity and quality of opportunities, though.

    http://indecentxposure.com/grind/d05a5ebedd6b51a43427a443a43c50117860a9ac/
     
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    Gender pay differences?
    I'm curious why you made no mention of the large audience difference between mens and womens athletic sports outside of tennis?

    Advertising revenue in magazines and newspapers (eg NY Times, Popular Mechanics, National Geographics, etc, etc) had declined because audience (readership/subscribers) has declined.

    Corporate sponsorship of sports is advertising right? They wouldn't sponsor something for the same amount of money if it didn't reach as many audience.
     
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    didnt talk about that because it would be something outside the scope of the topic. definitely something to consider though. my main focus is about the 'product', not how it is marketed or how well it is recieved.

    on the one hand, equal pay for equal work is a good argument for prize money equlists. on the other, if players get a % cut of tournament revenues, things would be a lot different as you suggest. equality vs equity. thats the nature of the debate.

    thats why it bothers me that simon and tipsarevic got a lot of bashing for what they said. raising the point doesnt make them bad people. just professionals looking out for their own interests and those of their immediate peers. shutting up to avoid the controversy woudnt make them less sexist in real life, either way.
     
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    Furthermore, the men vs women discussion is incomplete unless we consider why it is that people pay money to follow sports in the first place.

    IMO:
    It's not purely for entertainment - to be totally honest, I think over half of all pro matches are less interesting than a good movie. I'd rather watch an episode of Top Gear than a 60 minute straight-set drubbing (either ATP or WTA)

    I think we watch sports because it helps us define our identities and inspires us to, if not become athletes ourselves, then at least give 100% of ourselves in SOME part of our lives.

    1) In most lines of work you can get away with just showing up and doing busywork for 8 hours a day at least some of the time. In pro tennis if you're off, then you lose. You need 100% commitment and intensity in order to even make a living. The same is true whether you're a male or a female pro.

    2) The women's game might be lower in level of play, but it absolutely DOES NOT matter if you consider the ability of its top players to inspire and serve as examples. You're a black, inner city kid aiming to be the first person in your family to go to college? You'll probably take some motivation from Serena and Venus' backgrounds. You're the child of first-generation immigrants facing adversity at home and at school but has big dreams for the future? Then you'll probably identify with Sharapova, Azarenka and most of the other Eastern European players. Personally, as a person of Chinese origin, the way that Li Na has shaped her career was to me a tremendously uplifting example. Having spent time with her and her team last year in Montreal and hearing their stories has only reinforced that fact. In that sense, WTA pros are EVERY BIT AS GOOD at doing that than ATP players.

    3) When I watch Djokovic, Nadal, Federer or Murray dispatch a journey 62 62 in the first round of a tournament, I don't find the match to be that interesting either. The only conclusion that I can take out of those beatdowns is that those guys are way too good at tennis and that I'll never be 1/100th as good as them, which makes me depressed. On the other hand, 6-0 6-0 demolitions on the WTA might feature some intense personal anguish openly expressed on the court by the losing player, which is entertaining in a train-wreck sort of way. At least watching that engages me emotionally on a certain level, and maybe in a way it helps me cope with my own emotions when things don't go my way on the tennis court. Last year in the Cinci final Li NA came back from 1-6 1-3 down to win in the third set against Kerber. That just simply couldn't have happened in an ATP match. Now, whenever I'm down a set and a break, I think of that match and at least it gives me some hope that I can come back - it's worked on a couple of occasions, even.
     
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    Some of the WTA & ATP tennis tournaments are held at different dates . It would be interesting to compare ticket sales.

    Eg Until 2011 Cincinnati used to hold the mens and womens events 2 weeks apart. Once I find the stats I'll post them.
     
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    Well, the OP's premise is flawed so the paper is likely to come out that way too. Namely, since Pro tennis (and all Pro sports for that matter) is a business, there is no such thing as "equality". That's like speculating that Chevy should make an "equal" number of Malibus and Corvettes for this or that theoretical reason. Basically the corporation decides how many they can sell of each, gauge social trends/forces and makes a decision that will benefit the corporation best in both the short and long time frames. If the majors make the decision that it is better to give equal prize money for the genders regardless of the number of relative seats filled (ticket sales differences are a myth at the big tourneys since one tickt gets you into ATP and WTA matches), then that is their business and by definition is "fair" since everyone is getting paid what the market will bear. No one wants to have their compensation subject to the whims of the opinions of outsiders (in this case TT posters).
     
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    ^^ One interesting facet about Title 9 is that it's one of the reasons college athletes will likely never be paid (above the table, at least) for their services, which of course they shouldn't be. Title 9 contains provisions that would require that if any athletes at any school were to be paid, ALL athletes at all colleges, including women, would have to be paid equally, a financially untenable situation given that 200 of the 225 largest college athletic programs in the country already lose money (per an article in Time Magazine a few weeks ago).
     
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    Foreword: Prior to 2011 Cincinati the mens and womens events were held a couple weeks apart.

    Cincinnati Open attendance
    2010:
    233,775 : Site references a combination of both the separate Mens and Womens events http://www.cincytennis.com/2010_attendance/
    - 144,331 attendance for Mens ATP event for 2010 is referenced http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2011/08/22/western-southern-open-tennis.html
    = 89,444

    89,444 Attended the WTA event

    Interestingly the very next year 2011 combined event had an attendance of 174,268 which was 20.7 increase compared to the Mens event of the previous year. Even considering savings on wages, utilities, etc etc This seems somewhat disappointingly low considering they had 233,775 attendance in 2 separate events the year before.
     
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    it's probably because some people used to go twice before the combined event came to be.

    wonder what the shift in TV ratings is.
     
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