Etiquette Question

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  1. bryanalban

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    So I'm playing my first USTA Flex League and I ran into a situation in my last match, and was wondering what the correct etiquette was.

    We went through our warmup as usual, and when we got to serves, I did mine, but then my oppenent said he had warmed up his serve before he got to the court and didn't want to hit any. I didn't make a big deal over it.

    But as we started the match, he had kind of a funky service motion, and it took me about 3 or 4 of his service games to get comfortable, as well as get used to the lighting on the new court. I ended up winning the match, so it wasn't a real big deal, but I'm wondering if he should have done warmup serves, if nothing else than to give me a chance to receive on a court I've never played before?

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. vcat

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    Just mention you'd like to warmup your return of serve during warmup. I don't think most would have a problem with that request. However he is not obliged to give you his "A" serve (or show his funkyness) so you can lock your radar on it. You should feel good, my return game doesn't get anywhere near good until the 3rd or 4th game in no matter what type of serve I see. I guess I should take my own advice.
     
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  3. ian2

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    Generally, I agree: as a matter of etiquette, it's fine to ask your opponent to serve a few so you can warm up your return game; and it's also fine for him to (politely) refuse.

    Keep in mind however that players often choose to not return serves but just stop and catch the ball. If they are going to return, they warn the server that they will do so. The higher the level of play, the more common this is.
     
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    the guy can take serve warmup if he wants. he doesnt have to take serves and give you return warmup. a warm up is just that. it is just to get your blood going and muscles loose. a retern is essentially a stroke and deserves no more special warmup than during the rally. if someone asked me id probably do it, but there is no obligation to do it.
     
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  5. ATP100

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    Remember, before any match YOU should already be warm.
     
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  6. vcat

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    I agree with this. It would get rather interesting if the opponent refused to help you warmup your returns. Could you then draft another player to help you warm it up? (that's allowed if your opponent refuses to warmup in general with you). Are returns a special shot that you're not guaranteed to be able to warm up. What if the opponents refuses to warm up short? Or volley?
     
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  7. LuckyR

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    My thoughts? My thought is that you only dreamed up the idea of asking to warm up your return after you noticed that this guy had a weird serve motion that you did not anticipate. In other words if he had a routine serve your thread would not exist. So what are you going to do next time the unknown guy (with the unknown serve) doesn't need to warm up his serve? Would you feel weird asking for a very unusual thing, only to find out he has a routine serve motion?
     
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  8. spdskr

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    I find it rare to return serves in leage warmups, especially at 4.0 and above levels. Most everyone I warm up with either catches practice serves or watches them go by. I personally anticipate it taking me a couple of return games to groove on my opponent's serves. Some matches take much longer. :oops:

    As stated, you should request to return your opponent's serves in warmup, otherwise, many will consider it rude if you start blasting balls back at them.
     
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  9. Cindysphinx

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    Maybe I am in the minority on this one.

    People choose not to warm up certain shots all the time. Some baseliners choose not to warm up volleys, probably so that the opponent cannot see how lame they are at net. Folks without overheads often beg off on warming up their overhead.

    If someone chooses not to take overheads or volleys, is it sensible to ask them to do otherwise so that I can "warm up" my lobs and passing shots? Of course not.

    Similarly, it is not reasonable to ask an opponent to hit serves if they choose not to. Many people have shoulder problems and want to hit as few serves as possible. Other people want to give you fewer opportunities to groove on their serve.

    If you've hit groundies as part of your warm up, your return is warmed up. Use the extra time to warm up your own serve etc., IMHO.

    Cindy -- who does not hit slice serves during warmup and only hits topspin, both to develop confidence in the topspin serve but also so that opponents can't groove the slice
     
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  10. Cindysphinx

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    I don't think it is necessarily rude to return serves without asking for permission.

    It is not appropriate to return the serve if you haven't yet served, at least in our area. The etiquette is that you catch and hold and then serve them back. When you finish serving as many as you want to serve, you then can return the serve, so long as you deliver it to the server and don't take big wild cuts. When you start returning instead of catching, this says "I am finished with warmup, how about you?"

    If my opponent doesn't catch and hold and instead returns my serve, this is fine. I will catch the return and continue my serve warm-up. This allows me to minutes allotted to serve warm-up without being a hog.

    Now. Will someone explain why some folks feel like they cannot switch serving sides during warmup between ad and deuce unless and until our team switches?
     
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  11. dizzlmcwizzl

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    On a related side note ... If an opponent starts returning my serves without asking and then proceeds to spray them around so that I have to chase them I do the following ... I serve well away from them, where there is no chance they could actually return the ball.

    For me I am warming up my motion and my shoulder. I am also picking targets and hitting them. It is not important to me whether the ball actually goes into the court, just that I am loose. Let the other guy chase the balls if he feels this has to happen.

    However if you ask, or at least let me know your intentions, I will give you a couple 75% serves to warm up on.
     
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    You really shouldn't have to deal with these situations without your USTA Flex League attorney present. Have your representative address the issue with the opponent's counsel before the first live ball is struck.
     
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    It's against the rules to practice the return of serve during the warm up.
    There's no rule that you have to warm up any particular stroke.

    Warm ups are just that, warming up, not the time to practice any shot.
     
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    Typically, nobody returns serves in warmup. It's rude unless one of the players insists on taking a lot of serves--in which case it's OK to hit it back. The return is not a stroke you warm up. It is perfectly legal to hide your serve in warmup. Lots of good players hide their best shot in the warmup. However, it is a bit of gamesmanship if HE practiced returning YOUR serve in the warmup but didn't hit any serves himself. In that case, he is trying to get an edge on you. It's not illegal, its just a little rude. I used to do that kind of thing when I played in the 10s and 12s, but now I'm grown up, so my reputation means more to me than winning.

    My advice is don't think about what games he is playing--just think about his game and how you are going to beat him. I personally don't even like to learn my opponents' names. They are just some dudes I'm about to beat.
     
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  15. Big_Dangerous

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    Brad Gilbert would vehemently disagree with you there.

    Also, I don't consider that rude at all... I'm supposed to just catch the serve instead of take a few practice cuts at returning their serve? Come on, give me a break... Rude!?!? Really!? I guess you can play Rihanna's "Rude Boy" during my warm up then, because I'm returning all my opponents serve, all the time.
     
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    This is from the code under "warm up"

    3. Warm-up is not practice. A player should provide the opponent a 5-minute warm-up (ten minutes if there are no ballpersons). If a player refusesto warm up the opponent, the player forfeits the right to a warm-up. Some players confuse warm-up and practice. Each player should make a special effort to hit shots directly to the opponent. (If partners want to warm each other up while their opponents are warming up, they may do so.)

    4. Warm-up serves and returns are taken before first serve of match. A player should take all warm-up serves before the first serve of a match. A player who returns serves should return them at a moderate pace in a manner that does not disrupt the server.

    So it looks like the return of serve is a stroke like any other in the warm up - you're supposed to make an effort to hit them back to your opponent. Warm up is an opportunity to get loose, not to practice your return of serve.


    In general, it's important to get to the courts early with a team mate or practice partner so you practice real point play and get in a warm up that doesn't depend on your opponent. I see the formal pre-match warmup with my opponent as an opportunity to get loose, but not much more than that. If I notice my opponent is practicing his return of serve (as opposed to just getting the ball back), I'll usually say I'm ready to play, but of course give him the full time to work on his serve, which I'll either block back or catch, whichever is easier.
     
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    The way it's usually structured here is.....

    -Starting with ground strokes, just warming up, nothing too crazy.

    -Transition to the net, either one or both players, and hit some volleys or mini tennis depending on the other player.

    -Then hit some overheads, very lightly if the opponent chooses to lob or what they choose to do.

    -Then move to serving into opposite courts of each other, just to get the shoulder working, very rarely serving at above 25%!

    Then we start!

    It's a pretty simple warm up, but everyone seems to be in good spirits afterward and it all works out well!

    -Fuji
     
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  18. tennis tom

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    My thought is it's rude to practice serve returns during the warm-up. Tell the server you don't need serves, catch his three and return them to his forehand side gently. Returning serves on the warm-up, signifies you are ready to play.

    On the warm-up I try to serve as slow and with as complete a range of motion as I can. I try to hit it to my opponent's FH so he can catch it and not have to fumble around chasing it down. I wait until he has caught each ball and not serve another until he is ready to catch the next one. Serving your "big one" during, the warm-up, trying to intimidate or impress your opponent, is BUSH and I don't mean the presidents.

    My warm-up idiosyncrasy is, I don't like taking over-heads, because I'm so stiff and lazy. After taking volleys, I just say "I don't need any OH's because I'm so stiff and lazy" and return to the baseline.
     
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  19. Torres

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    If he doesn't want to hit serves during the warm up its entirely up to him. There's no etiquette issue. Its as simple as that.
     
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    Wow, you really think about this stuff. Very organized.
     
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    I'm actually with Cindy on this one. What she has described is also the etiquette and protocol around here. I'll kindly emphasize, though, that we're usually just returning the warm-up serve to the opponent who hit it...rather than warming up our own return-of-serve. And it's usually done when you're/I'm done with my own serve warmups.

    I haven't figured this one out either, Cindy. In fact, I like it when one set of players switch and the others don't. It really does give you a look at both servers.

    But have you noticed that guys warm up quite differently from women? They rarely start up at net with some mini-tennis...and I've often seen them not switch ad/deuce sides during warmups at all.

    Guess it's all in who you play and what's the local custom. And if I'm playing someone not from here, I'll cut you a little slack on any perceived and minor miscues. It's the locals who try to "win" the warmup that drive me crazy.
     
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  22. tennis tom

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    That's because the women, who are passive-aggressive, want to chat or gossip during the warm-up, but don't want to shout, versus the men, who are more aggressive (unless they are metro) and don't want to be "friends" with the competition until it's beer time.

    Tournament players switch sides in doubles, deuce/ad, on the service warm-up.
     
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  23. Fay

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    That depends upon the woman. I'm very competitive and no-nonsense during a rated match. If someone wants to chat I say "We can have a beverage "afterwards" and chat if you like."

    This afternoon, I had a match, my hubby and I both 3.0s, I have been playing a lot longer than my hubby and the tourny director knew that (had taken lessons from him for 2-3 years) it was my hubby's first tournament.

    What did he do but put us, two 3.0s, up against a 3.5 woman and a 5.0 man .... and the woman says after 1 minutes (I don't need any more warmup) ... so my husband stands there and I said to him "Aren't you going to warm up ..." I was going to call an official and ask them to get someone over here to warm him up if she refused.

    For me it is not about physically warming up but getting thru a few nerves and getting a chance to see how the opponent hits a few balls at least. So I took 3 serves as they seemed anxious to go and after she took about 7 or 8 I finally had to say that I was warmed up ....

    I BTW never agreed to play a 5.0 man ! I told the director that we would go to 3.5 or 4.0 ... but he never ever mentioned any of it ... I just walked out to the car and my hubbby asked what the guy's rating is and he is a teaching pro that does clinics.

    That would be like me as a figure skating coach putting someone out for a Silver or Gold test before they ever took one ... as my hubby had never played a tournament .... OH ya, forgot to mention ... that is NOT allowed as people have to take one test before they can take another. And most tournament directors will not play people again each other who are rated that far apart.
     
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    My point being that both of them didn't want to warm us up ...
    when you only have 5 minute warm up and the tournament director is antsy to keep the tournament going ... it is difficult to create a disturbance and ask for standins for warmup.
     
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    Yeah, I think I do see differences in how much guys v. gals will tolerate mini-tennis. I've never seen both women start from the baseline, but I've seen guys do it.

    The other gender difference I have seen is that there are a lot of players who will only feed. Like, if I'm taking volleys, they will feed a groundie to me. I will volley it right back to them, and they will catch it and feed again. I have only seen one guy do this. I would say maybe 20% of women do this.

    Another weirdness I have seen with guys is that they will take their volleys. Then the opponent will come up for volleys. Then the first guy will come up for overheads. Huh? I don't like having it done this way because I can wind up with some guy warming up his overhead while I am across the net taking volleys.

    I don't care for that at all. I don't trust his overhead, and I like having binocular vision.
     
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    I can't imagine that someone refusing to warmup their serve would give them much advantage. Most people only hit half a dozen or so to loosen up their shoulder, and nowhere near match pace.

    If I'm going to clock someone's serve then I'll do it by calibrating in their first service game - whether I've played them 100 times or never before. Getting a few cracks at a half-pace shot in warmup isn't going to change much.
     
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    I usually do this when feeding balls for overheads. I can reliably feed a lob, but if I try to hit a short lob off of your overhead I could spray that ball anywhere. I have no idea how the pros do this!
    And I have only seen women worry about taking volleys when someone on the other side of the court is taking overheads. I have never seen anyone get hurt this way. Generally I think women warm-up WAY too many volleys in matches. You aren't learning to volley, or even practicing them. You are just hitting a few and moving on.
     
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    When you practice your returns are you hitting them back to the server so he can continue his warmup or are you making him walk around picking up your returns? If it's the latter then it's definitely not cool.
     
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    You could have warmed up with your partner. What kind of a weird-azz tournament were you playing in anyway ??? , 6.0 versus 8.5!, with a Tournament Director?
     
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    Thank you... that is a good idea, we'll do that next time ... The tournament director runs this club. Woman opponent (3.5) is a member of this club, and he (5.0) is a sponsor. That's what kind of tournament it was.

    We were non-members. Normally he brings both competitors to the front desk and has them introduce themselves and shake hands -- instead he sends us to the court without the balls, and walks out to another part of the facility, and talks with them for a while, and gives them the balls ... while we were waiting wondering what the heck was going on ...

    A simple courtesy would have been to call and ask if my hubby

    (who never played a rated tournament before only played 2 fun tournaments)

    and I wanted to play 9.0 which of course I would have declined.

    I would not have put husband in that position, especially since this is a rated tournament. To arrange something like that for a fun match
    would have been different.

    When we were warming up he hit like a 2.5 -- I kid you not. Swinging at balls and shanking of the frame ! and 80% of them I could not get to in order to try to get over my nerves. When I got home, I could not believe the huge write up on the internet about him being #1 in SouthWest, ten years of coaching experience, "most valuable player, blah blah blah" and to act like that during warmup. I have a friend in CA who worked his way up as an adult from beginner to 5.5 and now he won't play tournaments. Is it any wonder?

    Next time my partner and I will warm each other up. Thanks for the suggestion. We are facing two 4.0 players today, but that is very different from a 5.0 man.
     
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    What a farce, but that's the kind of crepe you can get into when playing "elite social" NTRPA tennis. I still don't get what KIND of tournament this was, could you please clarify; member guest? Often the member will pay good money to play with a pro as a partner--after all there are big stakes involved for winning, like maybe a toaster or a clock-radio, and on the news at 11:00.

    The TA was definitely looking out for his wallet, future lessons from the member, and networking credits towards future gigs with the pro. Your match WAS the warm-up for his pets. Very unprofessional and a-holey for a 5.0 "teaching pro" to tank the warm-up and make a mockery of it.

    I had a recent similar experience in an un-sanctioned "fun" tournament. It was another old fart and me, versus a pretty-boy "wanna-bee" pro and his 3.0 darling (who was a nice person and deserved better). He sent her out there to warm-up the old farts while he chit-chatted with his Tournament Director buddy. When he finally came on, I feigned being a hacker and told him my worst shot was my FH volley. He fell for the bait and gave me a "lesson" on the usual "stepping into it" and "pushiing off" garbage.

    During the match he continuously coached his sweetie while missing his own BH. Needless to say--or actually NEEDED to say--my new old fart partner buddy, who was very quick at the net and didn't miss a poach, and I WON! It was a hoot to "beat the pro" after he was so rude. I quickly shook hands and packed-up before anyone could ask for another set. I knew the pro wouldn't and if we did, we would be paying for it. Revenge is sweet.
     
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  32. volleygirl

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    Agreed? Warming up his return game? I dont know anyone who even returns the opponents practice serves because you dont want to have the server have to chase them down. Its a warmup for the server, not the returner.
     
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    Thank you for the validation, as a few years ago the directors in PHX would call and ask me if I wanted to move up a notch or two, or would call and say I won't put you any higher -- it is not fair to you or to the opponent, so I'd just wait and sign up for a tournament with more players.

    It is a rated USTA tournament
    (retired figure skating coach here... don't know how to differential except they put people by rating, age or play open), and I had told him a couple of years ago I would never play open until I was at 4.5.

    The link for the tourny is here:

    http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/Schedule/SearchResults.aspx

    the link for draw is here:

    http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/Draws/TournamentDraws.aspx?T=104041

    I signed up for 3.0 mixed doubles ... and I told the director I would play up to 3.5 or 4.0 at most. I never agreed or even knew what the opponent's ratings were until we were "finished" .... I suspected the woman was 3.5, but watching the warmup I thought he was a beginner.
    Imagine my surprise :shock:

    Thanks again ... I'll stick to playing singles tournaments during the future, LOL :)

    When my hubby and I got home last night he said that the teaching pro had played all day ... my hubby thought he should have been warmed up enough to give a decent warm up. I've had 3.5 women warm me up better. :-?

    Parenthetically, I never warm up volleys during any tournament, and I start at the baseline. I have already warmed up at a different court for 3-45 minutes as it takes me a long time to get warm.

    And I've yet to meet a woman that can feed an OH to save her life. When I get to higher ratings, I'm sure that will change. 2 years of injuries (not related to tennis) have had me on hold. Better tennis days to come!
    :)

    Thanks again for the encouragement!

    p.s. and people wonder why people leave tennis to go fishing ....
     
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    Thanks for the clarification, took a quick look and it looks like the entries for the mxed was so small they combined them all. Needless, no excuse for that kind of behavior. I would suggest playing in Senior Age groups, you are less likely to encounter rude behavior. You would at least get a great playing lesson out of it for the cost of an entry and maybe a consolation round match.
     
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    The guy you played was a 5.0 and the woman a 4.0... imagine their surprise :shock:. Still, you took a game from them. Under the circumstances, instead of being upset you could have enjoyed the opportunity to be on the court with much better players.

    What I don't get is how you didn't know that you were signing up for 9.0 combo? Anyway, not such a bad deal, considering that there is a consolation round. How did that go BTW?
     
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  36. SStrikerR

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    In high school tennis, generally it goes like this:
    1) Some light rallies
    2) Someone asks, "you want volleys?" If yes, give them volleys. If no, take your own or skip volleys.
    3) Same for serves
    3.5) Return their serves, or just catch them. It's not rude to warm up your return if they're serving, but if they don't want to serve, don't ask them to.
     
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    In an email I requested 3.0 mixed doubles and I had said to him on the phone, if you move us up to 3.5 or 4.0 at most, fine.

    I never agreed to play a 5.0 man. There was *plenty* of talk today during the court side conversations about how he should not have been playing in the category he did.

    I said "Did you see the warm up yesterday." "yes I was surprised how he pounded the ball after warmup ... " I asked him if he felt he tanked the warm up and he said "yes definitely."

    this was an out of towner who had no vested interest one way or another ... another woman who is highly ranked said "not very nice!"

    I felt that what I was MOST unhappy about is that I had no idea I was playing a 5.0 man before the tournament.... AND ... that I did not get a proper warmup from him. I watched him warm a many up today and he was able to hit a found stroke past the service line, but he did some stuff to him too to not allow him to get more than 2 strokes at a time ....

    I agree with the comment about it being poor sportsmanship. I have played tournaments for a few years and realize how all of the gamesmanship comes into play, but to put my 3.0 hubby in that for his first tournament WITHOUT TELLING US in advance was kinda mean.

    but thank you to everyone who wrote ...
     
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  38. Caesar

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    There is no such thing as tanking a warmup. How someone warms up is their business.

    I play far worse during the warmup than I do during the match because I'm more concerned with getting my body loose than hitting the ball cleanly or accurately.
     
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    Exactly--which is why people who know what they are doing don't "warm up" their return. What are you going to do, return the serve and then ask your opponent to give you the ball back so you can hit serves? It's rude, and it wastes time. However, if you are finished taking serves, it's OK to start hitting the ball back.

    I think it's obnoxious when people try to "win the warmup". Around here, that kind of behavior usually gets rewarded with a ball to the sternum.
     
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  40. SweetH2O

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    Around here, most people (80%) will hit the ball back the server that is warming up. But it's not warming up your return, just an easy floater back to the server. The first server warms up until he says "you can keep these" to the receiver and that lets the receiver know to hold onto them to start their serve warm up.

    The other 20% of people will catch them then hit them back when they have all 3 balls, or will just serve them back.

    Any way is fine with me, as long as if you return them back they are close to me so I'm not chasing them all over the court.

    In doubles, it seems more often that serves are returned during warmup. One team does their full serve warmup with each player serving from deuce and ad side, then it's the other team's chance to do the same. So you see both opponent's warmup serves and you stay on your side of the court (ad/deuce) when receiving in warmups.
     
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  41. Fay

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    When you watch the pros play they hit back to the other person so the other person can hit back to them most of the time. They don't shank the ball into the stands or the net it for the most part. Nor do they try to hit winners except on occasion ... that is called a warmup ... just like a coach would warm up a student if they aren't warmed up ... it is just to get loosened up a bit. I play at another court for a goodly amount of time ... so I am warmed up, but I would hate to play without a few warmup strokes to get a feel. The person who catches the balls, hits in the net, swings and pretends to miss the ball who is raged 5.0 is tanking the warmup ...

    especially when they had a complete match an hour ago .... they are not saving themselves ... they are trying to get a mental edge by unfairly not doing what the normal culture in AZ does.

    One time I played a very competitive teenager and every ball I fed to her (this was a singles warmup) she blasted short and to the side and I finally walked to the net and asked "Are you going to warm me up as well as me feed you balls? If not I'll get someone to take your place for the warmup." It stopped immediately.

    Would one expect to see Worlds or Olympic figure skating and the skaters not get any warmup ....

    My husband I would walk into the rink and practice stone cold in case we someday didn't get a warmup. In 40-some years never ever has it happened that we don't get a warmup.

    Suggestion that my partner warm me up if the opposition doesn't want to is the best solution ... Tennis players should have a few minutes like skaters just to settle their nerves or get a feel of that particular court, wind, whatever.
     
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  42. tennis tom

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    Here's a very good post from another thread:


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    "You might want to browse through "the code" a bit:

    http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={FB...AEC6C17A5F1}

    Here's the section on the warm-up:"

    THE WARM-UP
    3. Warm-up is not practice. Aplayer should provide the opponent a
    5-minute warm-up (ten minutes if there are no ballpersons). If a player refuses
    to warm up the opponent, the player forfeits the right to a warm-up. Some
    players confuse warm-up and practice. Each player should make a special
    effort to hit shots directly to the opponent. (If partners want to warm each
    other up while their opponents are warming up, they may do so.)
    4. Warm-up serves and returns. A player should take all warm-up serves
    before the first serve of the match. A player who returns serves should return
    them at a moderate pace in a manner that does not disrupt the server.


    "I think the most important principle here is that warm-up is not practice. You are really just giving your opponent a few minutes to loosen up. If you want to practice, head out with someone else earlier."

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    Not trying to cooperate with your opponents in the "warm-up" is against the Code and therefore against the rules of tennis.

    You should warm-up your body prior to the "warm-up" so you are ready to do your part. I recommend a short 10 minute jog or a spin on an exercise bike until you break a sweat. The real warm-up was done before on a warm-up court on or off site. I search out warm-up courts prior to a match at a near-by park or school, etc. The pros warm-up with practice partners prior to their match. The "warm-up" with your opponents is an opportunity to scout your opponents game, it's strengths and weaknesses.

    For tournament players, it's very structured and they all do it the same. If you don't know the protocol, you are tipping off your opponent that you aren't a tournament player and giving him a big psychological advantage. If you don't know how to properly conduct yourself in the warm-up, you probably don't know a lot of other things about the sport--how you do something, is how you do everything. If you care enough about the sport of tennis, take the time to learn how to do the "warm-up" properly. Do a "search" here or ask a pro to give you a lesson on doing it right.
     
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  43. Caesar

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    The code =/= the rules of tennis. The former is decided by the USTA, the latter by the ITF. I'm not American so I couldn't give a flying **** what the code says.

    Anyway, I'm not talking about not cooperating. I'm just saying that there's no such thing as 'tanking' a warm-up. You can warm-up yourself and your opponent perfectly fine and in good faith without hitting in a way that is at all similar to your normal matchplay.
     
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  44. tennis tom

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    I think we're getting hung up on semantics here, "tanking" may have been a poor word choice on my part. I'm not a professional writer and would love to have an editor clean-up my posts, any volunteers?

    The beauty of tennis is that it is such an international sport and is for the most part played the same everywhere on the planet. Some of my best hits have been with people who did not speak English. We were able to bond through the universal language of tennis. At most you may need to learn a dozen or so words to keep track of the score, "in/out" etc., in any language, which you can learn within the time of a set.
     
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  45. Sox Fan

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    This has been a good thread for me. I just got back into tennis after a 28 year "layoff" about a year ago so I'm rusty on some of the etiquette. I played in a USTA league this past summer and am currently in a 3.5 league at a club I joined this fall. I see both "catching" as well as "hitting back" during warm ups.

    Will start catching going forward as this now makes perfect sense to me. I have probably been making some of my opponents scramble around to get the balls I was returning during warmups. Return of serve is the weakest part of my game so I have been spraying them all over the place and now i see it probably made me look like an ass without realizing it. Woops!
     
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  46. rjw

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    Basically,during warmup, try to be polite...the dual to the death will start soon enough....

    jmo
     
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