Extreme, Exo tour or 99s

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  1. Boricua

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    Hi! I have used Aero pro for some years. I like to hit with alot of topspin and generate pace. I am a baseliner and hit with a one handed backhand. I am trying to choose between the Exo 3 Tour 16 x 18, the Extreme Pro and the 99s. I l like to use copoly but in the past I devéloped some golfers elbow. I am a bit bettet now. I dont string myself. So, considering my case what is the best choice between those three rackets?
     
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  2. spinovic

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    I play with the Extreme Pro 2.0 and love it. That's about all I can say, as I haven't played with the other two mentioned.
     
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  3. Boricua

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    What playing style do you have? You get good spin? What string and tension do you use? Is it fast through the air? Is it arm friendly? Can you control its power?
     
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    Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because 1) I just play recreationally and 2) I'm nothing special as a player. I do take it serious and try to improve my game all the time, but there are varying degrees of taking it seriously. Feel obligated to tell you that much, then you can decide how much weight to give my review.

    As for your questions...

    1. I like to play on the baseline primarily, but will also come forward when given the opportunity.

    2. The racquet is very spin-friendly.

    3. Sonic Pro 16G @ 60 lbs.

    4. To me, this one is a little more subjective. I think it is fast through the air. I love the weight and balance of the racquet. Suits me well. Compared to the APD though, it is roughly 1/2 oz heavier, so you may feel differently.

    5. I have had no issues or discomfort with the racquet. It doesn't feel like a 70 stiffness at all. It is solid without feeling stiff. I've played with at least a couple of racquets rated in the mid-60s that felt stiffer to me (Prestige Pro, BLX 6.1 95 16x18). And, that's with a poly @ high tension, which generally isn't viewed as arm friendly. Many people are concerned with the stiffness rating, but it isn't bad, IMO. The feel of the racquet is one of my favorite aspects.

    6. No problems so far, but again, a high tension poly is definitely going to reign in the power.

    I'm going to string up some cyclone at a lower tension (hopefully this weekend) and try it out. If I'm able to, I'll try to give you a little more feedback for what its worth. But, no doubt it is a powerful frame.

    If demoing is possible, I'd definitely suggest going that route. If you liked the APD, I think the Extreme Pro 2.0 is for sure a racquet you should demo. You may end up liking something else better, but the Extreme will almost certainly offer some of the same things you liked about the APD, but specs-wise, the weight difference would have to make them feel different.

    Hope this helps a little, but like I said, take it for what it is - the opinion of an average rec player (maybe, haha).
     
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    Thank you for your explanation and time. I cant demo unfortunately. The Extreme, the 99s and the Exo 3 tour 16 x 18 are all in my mind.
     
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    All court 4.5 player with heavy spin on the forehand and 2nd serve. Used to have a 1 handed backhand, playing with the 2 hander now for arm health. Exo Tour gives great spin. String and tension change weekly...as you know. The Exo with the Oports moves quickly through the air, is exceptionally arm friendly and has little power.
     
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    This Exo seems like a great racket, specifically for people with arm problems. Have you ever tried at least briefly a 99s and say how it compares to the Exo in terms of spin generation and arm friendliness?
     
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    Me personally I'd go with the Exo 3 tour using a super low powered poly strung at around 40lbs (e.g Babolat Revenge, Isospeed Blackfire, Genesis Spin X <-- My favourite) I've had a lot of success with it. And its great on my 1hbh. Im 25 and like to take a big swing at the ball. It sounds crazy I know. But hear me out.

    Reasons why:
    -Exo3 tour has a flex of like 52
    -You like to hit heavy spin.
    -Flexible racquets have more time for the ball to stay on the string bed, add this with the low powered poly's stiffness and you'll generate all the spin and lift you'll want. Because its almost like you can shape the shot as you go. Me personally, Its almost like i know where it is on the string bed and can feel the strings snapping over the ball at great comfort.
    -You'll have great feel and a cushy string bed and still not worry about punching the ball long. The spin is there in abundance.
    -The other two racquets you mentions are very stiff - and once that string loses tension, you end up risking your arm to grief as well as the racquet being a missle launcher. The Exo3 tour has the lower power level and because of that dwell time, you won't notice too much loss in control when that tension loss comes (plus stiff strings hold tension longer). You'll get more bang for your buck.

    Also, red strings with a red grip looks sweet on that racquet ;)
     
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    Never tried the 99s.
     
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    Great explanation. You are corroborating all my theretical ideas about the Exo. I will go with the Exo with Black 5 Edge at 45. Thanks man.
     
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    Ill try the genesis spin x with the red grip sometime also:)
     
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    Cool man. Have fun with it ! :)

    Remember though, your service timing will be a bit different compared to your APD racquet. The extra dwell time will need an adjustment at first. But once you do, its the comfiest serve ever. Boris becker is a good example of a big server with a flexible racquet ;)
     
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    Strung the Cyclone 16G up this weekend. Didn't get to play as much as I'd hoped, but for some feedback.

    I strung the Cyclone at 54lbs versus my current setup of Sonic Pro @ 60lbs.

    Power - I thought the Cyclone strung 6 lbs lower might provide a little more pop, but didn't find that to be the case. The Sonic Pro felt more powerful to me, but they were comparable in that area.

    Stiffness - The Sonic Pro is rated as a softer string, so I suspect the Cyclone at a lower tension offset some of that. I didn't feel a significant difference in this area.

    Spin - The most noticeable difference. The I have no complaints with the Sonic Pro in this area, but the Cyclone was definitely superior. Not shocking based on the shape of the strings.

    So, my initial response was that the general "feel" was similar, the Sonic Pro slightly more powerful while the Cyclone was superior in spin. I need to get some more time in with the Cyclone to make a more complete judgment, but from my first experience, I enjoyed both strings and could play with comfort and confidence with either. It would be hard for me to say that one is better than the other at this point.

    I would be curious to see how the strings would respond if I reversed the tensions. May try that at some point.
     
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    There is a new string called Pacific Xcite. Heard its very good. Also Luxilon 4g as it is low powered and retains tension well. What do you like about Spin X specially when used in the Exo?
     
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    hmmm the problem is with a lot of polys is that their advertisements always say "Great tension maintenance". I haven't tried either of them. But one way to help you decide what string you want is from "the lab" for Tennis Warehouse. Click on say "Babolat RPM Blast TW review'', scroll down and you'll see "Tennis Warehouse University Lab Review" and see the comparison options to other strings yourself."

    or use this
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/stringselector/stringselector.php

    Here's where it gets tricky. You have to decide your trade offs.

    Stiffer strings have better control, tension maintenace and spin.
    IMO - Have a much better spin "loop" and action with shots. And defensive shots can be turned into offensive shots very effectively - good chance they will hurt you if you string them tight. Best to string them low.

    Softer strings have better power, feel and comfort.
    IMO- Are terrific if you want to add power and you like to hit flat bullet winners with a midsize frame. But defensively you have to stay more traditional because when you're caught off balance, you've got more of a chance to launch the ball in the back fence or hit the net. - good chance you'll launch them out the court if you string too low - A lot of big hitters string higher with these for that extra control, but I personally feel they're burning through strings more than they have too. Because they can do the same (and more comfortable) job with a low powered poly strung low.

    Then you've got string sizes (guages) and shapes that influence power, spin/bite, feel and behaviour as well.

    Coming off of powerful polys that I had to keep stringing in the high 50's to 60's I chose the 17g genesis spin x because I liked the idea of a stiff, spinny poly that had heaps of time on the string bed when strung low 40's and wouldn't become a launch pad too soon over time like the more powerful polys out there. Stringing low also gave me a much bigger sweet spot (higher tensions shrink the sweet spot - more prone to twisting - in my case not nice on my 1hand backhand).

    The lower the tension, the higher the launch angle. Which is fine if you are using a stiff,spin style poly. Because It's going to drop down quite nicely. But horrificly risky if you are using something powerful (this is why so there are so many pushers out there- for fear of launching the ball way out the court).

    There are of course stiffer polys out there than the Genesis but this one is working quite well for me and few others I told about. Let me know if you find something better suiting you tho ;)
     
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    Yes. I will try the Spin X soon. Please send to my personal email where you buy rhe string if its rhrougj the internet. My email is; adrielepretre@yahoo.com. As Ive said I will try Black5Edge initially. In terms of Xtreme and 4g Ive heard they are stiff and low powered. Some love 4g, others hate it. I tried it once and liked its muted feel, It gives good control dont know about the spin really as I used it in a heavy frame in which I could not develop my topspin strikes. Pacific Xtreme I have not tried but only heard good things but its expensive. Have you used Solinco Tour Bite in your Exo?
     
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    Oh they don't sell it here? You could just go for Babolat Revenge or Isospeed Blackfire. Or Kirschbaum Spiky Shark. TW definitely has those. They're stiff and should do the trick. But remember to string low. Otherwise go to Genesis directly.
    Solinco tour bite does work pretty well according to a friend of mine thats strings for me. And its sharp like the kirschbaum one.
     
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    Weiss Cannon Black5Edge is stiff and low powered with a unique plushness also. Hope it plays well in the Exo. But, I have always been interested in Genesis strings and never played with any so I will try the Spin X in the near future.:)
     
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    Why do you prefer full poly instead of hybrid cross? Is full poly plush in the Exo? I ask because I have slight golfers elbow and dont want unwanted vibrations
     
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    I'm thinking for a sore elbow, Genesis Black Magic is what you should try. It is nice and soft for a poly. Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 is even softer.
     
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    How does Solinco Tour Bite soft compare with B5E in terms of softness, power level, spin and tension maintenance? What tension did you use?
     
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    Big Hitter Black 7 is a winner for super spin, sharpness in a soft poly as well. It doesn't hurt as such, but when you hit with it, it tends to feel like you're smashing glass with a baseball bat. Which strangely is quite nice. But that experience was used with a head extreme mp last year.
     
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    Can't compare the tension maintenance of Tour Bite Soft because I broke it after 5 sets on a shank. Tour Bite Soft is indeed the softest poly I've tried. The B5E is firmer but not uncomfortable for me at the moment. Power goes to Tour Bite Soft but spin clearly goes to B5E. I used 52/56 on TBS/NVY and 48/52 on B5E/NVY. At the lower tension, the B5E still has some good pop.
     
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    Full poly strung low can be extremely comfortable. If you're not too keen on risking it and want to hybrid. The best multi I've ever used was the one in the Boris Becker range. Its quite stiff with good bite but the comforts' still there with great spin. And I was using it on the mains of a 93 boris becker :D
     
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