F1 2013 Thread!!!!

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  1. tistrapukcipeht

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    98??

    I have been since 86/87??? Try that!

    Just quit man, you add nothing to the subject. Your remarks are meaningless.

    Webber is an average Joe, that doesn't deserve more than what He got, same with Massa and many others.
     
  2. tistrapukcipeht

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    All whiners, keep talking about cars, about luck, about team orders...

    Alonso has always had team orders in all teams He was, except for Mclaren when He didn't have Lewis as second he got mad and left (I agree with him and He is better-but He wanted the team to only work around him)

    If in almost 75 races Vettel won most of them/ was pole in most and won all 4 Championships , sorry to say, the numbers don't lie, He is the best driver in F1 and has been for the past 4 years, if Alonso was that much better He should have beat him, since He is better, but He isn't, Vettel is BETTER and with a more consistent car that performs well everywhere He makes the best out of it, Alonso had the better car in the beginning, but Vettel did what He could.

    4 years later, Alonso and everybody lost all of the titles, Vettel is better, and He is superior to any of them, numbers don't lie, no excuses needed.

    Whoever wins more is the best, Fed won more GS, he is the best...
     
  3. Lukhas

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    Well, congratulations Vettel. Wasn't a "Deutsche Qualität" drive this time, but at least one thing remains the same: Webber has bad luck. :lol: Anyway, not like he or his team stolen it either. See you next year, might be more interesting.
    The trophy of the guy who disguised Bridgestone tires into Pirelli goes to... Grosjean. Only one stop with his tires to make it 3rd place starting from 17th? Well done.
     
  4. PSNELKE

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    Seb did the right thing, when he went down to his knees in front of his car.

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  5. BlackSilver

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    Lol. Well that's F1
     
  6. NickC

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    The scary thing is that Seba will get even better as he's still so young. And his car will get improved upon immensely.

    It's almost unfair.
     
  7. PaulFCB

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    This is not the Todt-Brawn-Schumacher era, the cars change virtually every year, there is no stability, Vettel had it easy in 2011 and from the middle of 2013 but he struggled to win in 2010 and 2012.
    2014 will come with lots of changes, apart from the new turbo engines that sound like lawn mowers the cars will look different, such as the lowered nose again to improve safety and lower front in general, less aero elements and only one exhaust and much longer KERS per lap, like 1/3 of a lap.
    Schumacher's period starting especially from 2001 when introduced things such as traction and launch control which killed McLaren and Hakkinen was very stable, it only helped Ferrari stay top and help Schumacher win titles, as early as they changed some stuff, in 2005 he already lost the title and didn't even win a race ( except for the joke at Indy when he raced on his own ), so in these conditions, the 2000-2004 period would have looked very different.
    Not only these changes kept on coming, but it was also hard to make a car that can serve his very unique and aggressive driving style, in 2012 it took a lot of time and nerves to get it running well, not to mention RBR was in Newey's style, never a very reliable car, just look at how many problems the cars have, only Vettel almost always manages to find a way to take it to the finish line, while Webber usually fails.
     
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    Good point
     
  9. tistrapukcipeht

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    Not really, the Redbull is not that great, specially compared to the Mclaren 88/89, Williams 92/93, Mclaren 98, Ferrari 2004,

    He is great and with a very good car, he makes those guys look like peons driving pick=up trucks.
     
  10. tistrapukcipeht

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    Ahh??

    So are you gonna tell me that the 98 (rear break pedal as well, until it was banned) /99 Mclaren didn't have many devices hidden to help Hakkinen (good driver) win ah?? If it wasn';t for that and the car that was a second per lap faster than the second best team, He would not win a single race.
     
  11. tistrapukcipeht

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    Really??

    you have no clue about this, do you?

    I'll refresh your mind, or I will just inform you a few things from the top of my head I can remember the idiot Ecclestone trying to punish Ferrari and Schumacher for just being better than the others.

    Tires with treads??
    Automatic transmission, then back to 7 gear tranny?
    LTD RPM's?
    From v10s to V8s??
    Stupid Qualifying changing all the time, points scoring system changed, if you ever have an opportunity to talk to Steve Matchett ask him about it.
     
  12. Pete.Sampras.

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    What a boring season. One can only hope that Red Bull's dominance will be broken next year. It's not like the other driver's aren't doing a great job and do not deserve wins/titles too.
     
  13. tistrapukcipeht

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    Question is:

    Who is gonna stop Vettel?

    He may as well win another 3, He is walking towards being the best F1 driver ever, this generation is no match, I remember when I first saw him driving for BMW at the US GP, was his first time driving a race and everybody was so impressed with him, no wonder why jus look in what He turned himself into.
     
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    Seb is getting nearer to equalling the most consecutive wins of all time (9th) while poor Fernando laments at Ferrari.
     
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    Its because Ferrari hasn't put out a good car in ages. If Ferrari had any will to win they would have made a big push years ago to get better pilots on board. Hopefully they'll sign a big one for next term as Massa is leaving (finally!).
     
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    Car doesn't drive by itself, so it's an useless argument.

    Why didn't Webber beat vettel, meanwhile Webber gets beaten by many others despite a much better car?? :shock:
     
  18. tistrapukcipeht

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    naha,

    Ferrari has been good for the past 2 years, but then again if Alonso was that great He should have been winning the Championships, as opposed of losing 4 times in row, there is no excuse(s) for 4 years of nobody winning but Vettel putting his hands on the title, the RedBull car did improve in the last 2 months, but I am not sure if it is Vettel or the car, obviously Webber isn't doing much, so is it that Grojean is better than Webber or Lotus is better than Redbull??:shock:

    If Alonso was much better than Vettel He would have won, but not only that many are finishing in front of him, so shame on him, He can;t keep up with Seb.
     
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    Why can't they? They have the resources and the car is good, you just don't want to concede the Vettel is a better driver, that's all, He improved a lot and has surpassed Alonso, for Alonso to beat Vettel He needs the best car on the road now.

    Hulkenberg is also another super talent, if He drove for Ferrari He'd out'qualify Alonso at least half of the time.

    So you just agreed with me, that Alonso has been surpassed by Vettel, but believe it or not He is still one of the best ones there.

    They signed Kimi which isn't capable of beating Vettel either.
     
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    Vettel's pole position has always been the X factor whilst Alonso can always make do with whatever is thrown at him.

    Same car, same everything, pitted in their primes head to head, I bet Alonso wins more than Schumi. Can't dismiss Vettel's pole winners as the main deciding factor for his success BUT wins are wins, no other way around it...I think they are the 3 best drivers of recent times.
     
  21. tistrapukcipeht

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    LOL, ....is bliss.

    Funny how Alonso only wins with better cars, if He was that good He would've won, let's also say how much Massa is held back or out qualifies Alonso.Alonso despite being better overall couldn't deal with Hamilton. 4 years straight losing, that is just plain lame, in fact Alonso has been surpassed by Vettel and by a good margin now, if He can't have the best car, sure as heck He can't make it be the best car, is it lack of feedback the reason why Ferrari engineers can't improve the car?

    Alonso is done winning, unless a miracle happens next year, He won't be any better than a 2 title Champion, many in history have that, Jim Clark with the same 2 is in a higher position than Alonso now.
     
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    Alonso was the youngest back to back champion until he was eclipsed (all two-time champs aren't made equal.:)).

    Isn't Vettel having it his way just like during Alonso's Renault days? Try giving Vettel a lousy car and see if he consistently comes in second, then I'll ponder his position.

    Kudos to Vettel, equalling ninth straight and he may be on his way towards Schumi's 7th.
     
  23. Pete.Sampras.

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    Well, Vettel uses the potential of his Red Bull to the max. Webber hardly managed to do this and he also didn't seem to be as fast as Vettel anyway.

    Alonso's 2012 performance was the best I've seen in years. What he did in an inferior car that was never better than 3rd best was amazing and reminded me of a prime Schumacher. The majority of drivers voted for Alonso as "best driver of the season" and he is also considered as the most complete driver by the majority of experts.

    Vettel will have to show a similar performance in an inferior car to be considered the greatest in my opinion. Winning in a superior car is easy. To start from pole, to have the option to go only 80-90% to save tires and not take any unnecessary risks... it's always easier to win like that. You still gotta do it, but it's definitely easier.

    To say that Alonso would beat Schumacher in the same car, I don't know. It would be tough for both of them, but I think we should not underestimate Schumacher. His comeback wasn't great, but he was above 40 and fought in a completely inferior car. Also, he probably would have won the championship in 2006 as well (instead of Alonso) if it hadn't been for his engine failure in Suzuka where he was clearly ahead of Alonso.

    I'm really hoping for a more interesting season next year, a season in which three teams or more will fight for the championship until the end. Lots of drivers in the field (and teams) deserve to win. But I guess Red Bull and Newey will find a way to keep their position somehow...



    Edit: In 2013, only two drivers voted for Vettel as the best driver of the season - both the "small bulls" from Torro Rosso, Vergne and Ricciardo (who is Vettel's teammate from now on). The majority of drivers voted for Alonso again. A few drivers such as Bottas or van der Garde did not vote at all.
     
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    I remember when Schumacher switched to Ferrari, it took him 4 years until he had a car that was ready to win. Back then, everybody raved about how he was the best in giving feedback to the engineers, was the most meticulous driver, the fittest etc. That is actually part of his legacy and constituted his overall talent.
    Fast forward to the current era, where we have a second coming of "Schu": Vettel is just picking up where Schumacher left. Does he have a great car? Absolutely. Does/did Webber have a great car? I don't know if it was as good as Vettel's, but I suppose if it wasn't then that will have been the result of Vettel giving better feedback and working to exhaustion so he can get the best possible car for his racing style. That's a talent a F1 driver needs to have in my book.
    Alonso still comes up with excuses about a poor performing car when he has been with Ferrari for 4 years now, so should we expect a dominant season in 2014? Or maybe not? - Ferrari has all the knowledge, the personnel, and the experience to win F1 championships. Schu showed them how to do it. They would win routinely if there wasn't a better driver/car package out there in Vettel/RB (and the packages before).
    So what I want to say is this: It's Vettel. And it's the car. But the car is where it's at because of Vettel. And the ability to finetune a car is a big part of the modern F1. If you don't want that, put all drivers into the same car and don't allow any mods. Not going to happen, right? Until then, Vettel/RB is the best the F1 has to offer right now. Titles don't lie.
     
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