F1 2014, a stuttering start?

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    Nico Rosberg dominated the first grand prix of Formula One's new turbo era, winning from Red Bull's Daniel Ricciardo by 24.5s on a day when Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel failed to make the finish.

    Mercedes' display of strength was ominous for its rivals, but Hamilton's retirement on lap three, when one of his engine's six cylinders gave up, was a reminder that reliability will be as important as outright pace this year. Vettel was struggling with engine problems as early as the warm-up lap and parked his Red Bull on lap four, getting his title defence off to a stuttering start.

    Nevertheless, Ricciardo's second place will represent a significant victory for Red Bull, which had not completed a race distance at any point during pre-season testing. Kevin Magnussen kicked his F1 career off to an impressive start with a third place finish ahead of McLaren team-mate Jenson Button, who fought through the field from tenth on the grid.

    Fernando Alonso finished fifth, underlining the hard work Ferrari has ahead of it with its new car but also limiting the damage to his points tally at this early stage of the season. Valtteri Bottas was among the quickest drivers on the track for much of the race but ruined his chances of a podium on lap 10 when he touched the wall and suffered a puncture at Turn 9. He recovered to finish sixth, but there is little doubt Williams has yet to show its potential.

    Nico Hulkenberg finished seventh ahead of the second Ferrari of Kimi Raikkonen, who struggled under braking all afternoon. The final points on offer went to the two Toro Rossos of Jean-Eric Vergne and Daniil Kvyat.

    The race got off to a messy start as Hamilton bogged down from pole position, Magnussen slewed sideways from fourth on the grid and Kamui Kobayashi came crashing through from the midfield and wiped out Felipe Massa. A couple of cagey laps followed for all drivers as positions were made and lost up and down the field, but it was clear Rosberg had a significant advantage and he used it to extend his lead.

    Bottas' puncture brought out the safety car, but Rosberg's Mercedes quickly rebuilt its lead at the restart. Button took advantage of the situation to move up to sixth place and put his McLaren in a position to attack. An early second pit stop then helped Button leapfrog Hulkenberg and Alonso, but it was clear the McLaren had a performance advantage over both cars.

    Rosberg's lead never looked in doubt, but Magnussen closed to within a second of Ricciardo towards the end of the race to put pressure on the Red Bull. However, Ricciardo had fuel in reserve and was able to turn the wick up on the RB10 to keep the McLaren at bay.

    The chaos predicted in the build-up to the race failed to emerge, with 15 cars making it to the chequered flag. Rather predictably both Lotuses failed to make the finish, although the team will take some encouragement from both cars completing longer stints than they had at any point during pre-season testing. Caterham also failed to see either of its cars finish, but Kobayashi's over-eagerness at the start should not count against the reliability record of the CT05.

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    Nice report!

    This is Mercedes' Championship to lose even though it's only the first race, but Mercedes is almost 1s faster than the rest.

    Vettel will come back to be in the fight for it because of his skills.

    Ferrari isn't going anywhere anytime soon with the car, and Alonso should give up on Ferrari, because when He had chances He didn't take it, plus He is getting old, I think He is done winning Championships.

    Magnussen and Hülkenburg are probably the best of the next generation.

    Rosberg/Hamilton can only win this Championship because of the car, nothing else, Hamilton is very fast, but He destroys every car, it won't surprise me if He doesn't even finish in the top 4 having the best car, due to new regulations.

    Exciting, but those cars are ugly and the noise definitely isn't what I am used to.

    Good news is: Honda is coming back next year and red Bull has Infinity amongst other reasons as the Sponsor.

    I'd like to see VW have a representative of their group with either Lamborghini or Buggatti being a team. Oops, I forgot about BMW as well.
     
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    Ricciardo's second place seems to have been due to Red Bull not following fuel regulations, although they are appealing his disqualification.
     
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    The undoing of Vettel this year?
     
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    F1 is now officially boring. New V6 engines with little consumption means that now it's just an endurance race.
    There is the Paris Dakar for that already.
     
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    The analysis I read suggested F1 had become an aerodynamics race, whereas now it's all about engine development while becoming 'more green' in order to contribute more to real car manufacture. Seems good in principle.
     
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    With the enception of extremely cool technology ivem always found the racing to be quite boring.

    Cool cars and pretty girls though!!
     
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    Newey and the Red Bull team seem to have done a bad job. Vettel ain't driving with a jet anymore and gets exposed.
     
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    Now is the time for Alonso to prove he is the better driver minus the best car.
     
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    That ain't happening, guaranteed, He will retire soon and see that going to Ferrari and making it a champion is only something that Schumacher was able to do and with that Kimi got one as a gift.
     
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    Problem is that it was incredibly boring. I don't care about the way the engines sound TBH: add a custom exhaust if it's so much of a problem. The fact that the guy who has a lot to do with those rules, Ecclestone, is disgusted by the sound is laughable.
    However, I'm much more worried about the fact that guys like Alonso or Räikkönen, who used to be much more aggressive now stay in the pack to save fuel, which is pitiful. This indeed became a endurance race: the guys who can save fuel and have a good qualifying run will win because no one can afford to try to get them due to limited fuel and bubble gum tyres.

    Should bring back the possibility to add fuel at pit stops. That would bring much more varied strategies and aggressiveness at the table. I liked when Räikkönen was running like he was doing qualifying runs when his team was yelling in his radio to come back to the stands because of destroyed tyres and low fuel. He'd came around the pit line, look, and go on for another lap time record. :lol:
     
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    The fuel thing will be bad if it results in a lack of racing, but the idea is for the cars to create innovations that lead to enhancements throughout the industry.

    It's hard to tell when there's a lack of racing in F1, but we'll have to wait for the engines to show more development and reliability in order to tell.
     
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    FI want to be all eco-friendly and wotnot..but the engines just sound like hairdryers. didn't sound like F1 at all.
     
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    It doesn't look like F1 anyway. The V8s were only an illusion; and even then they were quite bland in comparison of something like the old V12 Matra.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9yhbiPC65U
    I already found the V8s ridiculously high pitched, so the V6 Turbo does not bother me. Still amazed reading that Ecclestone thought a V6Hybrid Turbo blocked at 15,000RPM could even have a close sound to a V8 at 19,000RPM... :lol: BTW, there already were V6s in the past. Of course, the sound had nothing to do with the new ones.

    Now you can just realize how bland the show is. Pilots are only trying to save the engine, save the fuel because they only have 100kg, save the tyres that are made of cookies, prevent the breaks from going crazy, care about the electronic system and the 5 engines they have for a whole season. They don't care much about the race anymore or getting better places; they just go by what their stands tell because they can't do anything else. And even if they wanted to go faster, the engines automatically shut themselves out to avoid consuming too much. The qualifying session give pretty much all you need to know about the race besides few retirements here and there. No extra amount of cylinders can change anything about that.

    FWIW, new engines produce 134 decibels, previous ones 145. For those not into music or sound studies, each time you double the power of the sound, you add 3 decibels. For example, if a jet plane takes off, it makes around 120dB. If two identical jet planes take off at the same time, it makes 123dB. At those levels it does not make a difference, you're still half deaf after a GP weekend. :lol:
     
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    They have got to make do w V6 turbos, otherwise they would've fried all their engines before the season gets midway.:) Yep, those cookie tyres (made for snacking) are a joke.
     
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    From what I hear, however, they actually have to drive these cars whereas the last ones drove far too easily.

    In any event, it could take at least half a season for things to become bedded down, possibly much longer.
     
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    Double post.
     
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    Harder to drive car (my preference) is better than the cruise control types.:) However, the limitations is what's going to kill it but my guess is they'll revert back or at least have a compromise within a 3 year time frame.:-|
     
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    It's not his, he copied and pasted it from ESPN without attributing the source.
     
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    Fixed at start of thread.:oops:

    The image though was attributed to.;)
     
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    Will see about that, this is only one race.
     
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    The race had a sense of freshness to it de to Red-Bull being no serious threat for the race win and the fact that Vettel was driving behind Chilton.

    I still don't like the regulations slowing down the cars each year and giving them limits on fuel and fragile tyres just kills the racing off.

    I'd prefer V10 engines, the 2010 tyres and refuelling. Bring back the actual racing. And throw in manual gear changing as well for driver skill.

    I'm glad to see my favourite team (McLaren) make a big step forward over last year but gutted to see my favourite drivers (Hamilton) misfortune. Hopefully the Merc stays the best car and he gets that elusive 2nd championship.
     
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    Really? a) Alonso finished 2nd with a clearly inferior car a few yrs back. His peers thought he was the best driver. And his own team's lame strategy cost him the title in the last race in Abu Dhabi. He got a lot out of last yr's car which was also clearly inferior to RBR.

    1 race isn't enough to draw too many conclusions. There certainly wasn't a lot of passing - even in the DRS zones. Tires lasted a LONG time. Massa again a victim of bad racing luck. (In the US) NBC Sports still shows a LOT of commercials - thank goodness for the DVR and FF.

    Did anyone buy the $10.99 pass for the Official F1 app? Reviews aren't very good. Wish you could buy by the race (since the time difference means it's useless for almost half the races).
     
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    ^Unless Alonso can step it up during qualifications, it's going to be tough. The RULEZ make driving aggressive very difficult because of all the parameters you have to take in account and the maintenance of the car's engine/tyres/fuel tank/younameit.
    Todt is already talking about making the engines noisier (just add a custom exhaust, a speaker or a trumpet, job done) and raising the limiter to 110kg of fuel instead of 100kg. He said that the teams proposed this "100kg" number. So if everybody agrees, they may raise the number. Just had to ask. :lol:
    What I want is ability to refuel whenever you want and real tyres. Maybe remove few driving aids, but just the former two would make the pilots able to be much more aggressive on track.
     
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    Looks like it could be an interesting race tomorrow. Hamilton on pole but Vettel right behind, followed by Rosberg, Alonso and Kimi in 6th.
     
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    At this point I think the 1 thing keeping things interesting given the Mercedes team's total dominance is the tension between the 2 drivers on that team. I'm a big F1 fan, depending on where I am I've been known to wake up in the middle of the night to watch it live. One big attraction for me is the cars themselves, but I have to say the new regulations re: the height of the nose have left us having to watch without doubt the ugliest looking F1 cars ever, and I mean ever. I've gotten used to the new sound of the engines, but most of those cars are just butt ugly.
     
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    Yep, I like Hamilton's distaste for Rosberg (Nico, show him who is the boss at Merc;)) right now! It makes it so much more interesting.
     
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    Yep, for sure ugly cars and ugly wars. Thought Hamilton cooled off in recent years and was beginning to like him but his conduct this year makes my skin crawl.
     
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    I myself am rooting for Nico, knew he'd win yesterday :D
     
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    Hamilton never mellowed.

    It's because he was never in contention the past 3 years or so, now he thinks he is clearly relevant again and thus with him his ego came back intact. He'll come down to Earth again once someone else snatch the lead from him, leaving out of contention. But for now it is a distant thought. He should just maintain his momentum.
     
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    Titles not respect!

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    Alonso: Trophies more important than respect

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    Fernando Alonso says he takes little satisfaction from the plaudits about his efforts at Ferrari this season as he is not winning races.

    In Austria Alonso put in another impressive performance, leading his first laps of the season during the second pit-stop window, but complained after the race he did not have the pace to challenge Felipe Massa for fourth late on. Despite Ferrari's lack of competitiveness compared to its closest rivals, Alonso's consistency means he currently sits fourth in the drivers' championship.

    Alonso joined Ferrari in 2010 but has so far failed to add to his two world titles and he says waiting for Ferrari to deliver a car with championship credentials continues to frustrate him.

    "Not much," Alonso said when asked if he took satisfaction from getting the most out of his Ferrari. "It's five years like this. There is always satisfaction that everyone believes you are always performing at your best. There's the respect from drivers, team principals and fans for the job that you do. But I prefer to have no respect and to win more trophies."

    Despite already writing off a challenge to Mercedes in 2014, Alonso says Ferrari cannot afford to stop fighting this season.

    "At the moment we are not in that position so we must try to be a little bit better and try to do more podiums, more wins. Especially in the constructors' this year it will be very tight with Red Bull, Force India and Williams.

    "We know that means some extra cash for the year after so it's important to make a lot of points for the team and try to keep the respect from everybody, maybe not from everybody but from as many people as possible."
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    Nice ^

    I like this season so far. Good to see a head-to-head battle for the championship and the way they dislike each other must be what it was like at McLaren in the 80's and 90's.

    And nice to see Vettel getting pummeled by another Australian.
     
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    No nice car no nice showing for Vettel. And everyone thought he's gonna string championships and eclipse Schumi's record IN ONE GO!:-|
     
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    German GP - Race

    Rosberg eases to victory as Hamilton recovers to third
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    July 20, 2014

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    Nico Rosberg eased his way to a home victory at the German Grand Prix on a dramatic afternoon at Hockenheim, which saw his Mercedes team-mate and championship rival Lewis Hamilton toil through the pack to finish third behind Valtteri Bottas.

    The Story of the Race
    • Shock: Felipe Massa being involved in first-lap crash for the second race in a row as he went spinning through the air after contact with the blameless Kevin Magnussen, wasting a great podium opportunity for the Brazilian.
    • Shocker: Toro Rosso and Renault will have to go back to the drawing board after Daniil Kvyat's race came to a premature conclusion on lap 44 in a ball of fire.
    • Best overtake: There were plenty, with Lewis Hamilton's banzai move on Kimi Raikkonen and Daniel Ricciardo at the hairpin much like something from his GP2 days, but Fernando Alonso's late move to get past Daniel Ricciardo - which started at Turn 6 and ended with some ballsy driving round the outside of Turn 8 - just about takes it.
    • Best lap: In a race where strategy was key there were plenty across the field, but the audacity of Nico Rosberg setting his best of the race on the final lap shows how thoroughly in command he was throughout.
    • Worst lap: Hamilton's contact with Jenson Button on lap 31 damaged his front wing, jeopardised his middle stint and forced Mercedes to switch him on to three stops, ultimately costing him a shot at second.
    • Drive of the day: Hamilton did what he had to do in the early stages of the race but made costly error with Button. He also could not past Bottas and the Finn deserves immense credit for his third straight podium finish and is a worthy winner of this accolade.
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    Rosberg's victory never looked in doubt as the track remained dry throughout, but behind him the drama unfolded, starting on lap one when Felipe Massa was flipped out of contention at the first corner. It culminated with Hamilton, who had started 20th on the grid, closing on the Williams of Bottas, but with his car hamstrung by a damaged front wing and his super-soft tyres feeling the strain of a 16-lap final stint he was unable to make a move stick.

    Sebastian Vettel finished fourth - albeit 21.4s down the road from Hamilton - ahead Fernando Alonso's Ferrari, which slowed on the final lap to cross the line less than a tenth of a second ahead of the Red Bull of Daniel Ricciardo in sixth. Nico Hulkenberg finished seventh after a tricky afternoon, ahead of Jenson Button's McLaren, while Kevin Magnussen, who had made contact with Massa at the start, recovered to finish ninth ahead of Sergio Perez.

    Rosberg made a clean start from pole position and was comfortably through the first corner by the time Massa swung across the nose of Magnussen and was flipped upside-down. The accident brought out a safety car and also forced Ricciardo wide, seeing the Red Bull drop to 14th while his team-mate Vettel took advantage to move up to third with Alonso in fourth.

    The race restarted at the end of lap two, with Rosberg able to build a lead while Hamilton set about making up positions from 17th. Although he had a quicker car than those in front of him, the racing was close and he soon got caught behind Ricciardo's Red Bull. However, Hamilton had started on the soft compound tyre and was able to go longer than the cars in front, which started to pit around lap 12. On lap 13 he came up behind Kimi Raikkonen and attempted to pass the Ferrari along with Ricciardo, only to lock up both front tyres and nudge Raikkonen as he bundled his way past. It left the Ferrari with a battle wound on its front wing that Raikkonen carried to an 11th place finish, but was a risk Hamilton had to take in order to make the necessary progress through the field.

    Hamilton finally pitted on lap 26, dropping him from third to eighth with more overtaking to do as he resumed behind Ricciardo. On lap 30 Hamilton came up behind Button and despite the McLaren running slightly wide at the hairpin, he still made contact, ripping the left end plate off his front wing. Mercedes opted not to change the damaged wing but from that point onwards he struggled with front-left tyre degradation, especially in his final two stints when he switched to super-soft tyres.

    Ahead of him Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel resumed their battle from the British Grand Prix, taking part of Raikkonen's body work with Vettel as he and Alonso went either side of the slower Ferrari into the hairpin on lap 15. After his second stop on lap 34, Vettel returned to the track ahead of Alonso, but the Ferrari driver got back ahead on lap 36. In the end Red Bull won out as it switched Vettel onto the super-softs at his second stop, which gave him the pace to push while Alonso was slower on the softs and eventually come out comfortably in front at the final pit stops. Alonso was then in a battle with the second Red Bull of Ricciardo for several laps before finally making a move stick on lap 62 before holding him off to the end.

    Adrian Sutil spun on lap 49, which threatened to bring out a safety car and neutralise the race. The Mercedes pit wall saw an opportunity for Hamilton and pitted him in the hope getting a 'free' stop while the safety car was out, but race director Charlie Whiting was happy for marshals to run across the track and recover the Sauber under double-waved yellows. For Hamilton it meant an extended 16-lap stint on the super-softs as he passed yet more cars and hunted down Bottas who was on a 26-lap final stint on the soft tyres. Hamilton closed the gap, but the impressive straight-line speed of the Williams - recorded at 346km/h - meant the Mercedes never got close enough to have a good look at taking second.

    Rosberg, meanwhile, was free to soak up the atmosphere of the stadium section on his final lap and crossed the line to top off a week in which he has got married, saw his national team win the World Cup and signed a new contract with Mercedes. Understandably, he said after the race that his marriage topped the list.
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    Thanks for the race report, didn't even know there was a race this weekend.
     
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    As long as Nico is winning, I am happy!
     
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    As long as Hamilton isn't winning, I'm happy!
     
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    A dejected Lewis Hamilton walks back to the pits after his car caught fire in qualifying for the Hungarian GP.

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    Couldn't happen to a bigger brat :)
     
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    Lewis will naturally say [AGAIN], he gifted another one to Nico!:-|
     
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    Yep. He's already said it's beyond bad luck. Whatever that means. I know, I know, he is making an insinuation about the team helping Nicko. How clever.
     
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    What a cracking race! So much drama, the most drama!
    Not a fan of Hamilton but I think he was correct to disobey team orders and not allow Rosberg thru.
     
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    nico never got close enough to lewis, nico can cry all he wants, lewis was 100% right. if he got close enough he would let him pass but nico never got close enough.
     
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    Daniel Ricciardo for the win!

    Daniel Ricciardo celebrates his second career victory after a stunning drive at the Hungaroring.

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    First race I watched this season. Was enthralling. If Alonso had won it would have been the stuff of legends. :)

    For what it's worth, I think Hamilton was right not to let Rosberg through. Even if it's more than likely that the latter would have won, had he gotten through there and then.
     
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  46. oztennisfan

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    nico couldnt even pass verne, it took lewis 2 corners to pass verne, nico didnt deserve to win.

    its a shame the mercs didnt put lewis on the softer tyres with the faster car at the end, he would have won. although im glad dan won and alonso second was also nice.
     
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  47. Russeljones

    Russeljones G.O.A.T.

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    I don't think you understand the concept of strategies. Nico was on the faster strategy than Lewis, as evidenced by the rate at which he caught up to the leaders in the end.
     
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    ive pretty much watched every race for the last 30 years. i know what was going on. yes nico technically had a faster strategy yet nico couldnt get close enough to lewis to warrant lewis compromising his race by letting him past. nico couldnt even get past the toro rosso, he got what he deserved.
     
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  49. Russeljones

    Russeljones G.O.A.T.

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    30 years of watching racing and you just reiterated your poor reading of the race. Nico didn't need to get closer to Hamilton, he needed a clear track to execute his strategy. Hamilton has twice in the past benefited from team orders, which Nico obeyed to the point. Everyone, bar the Hamilton faithful, saw that Rosberg was 2 laps off challenging to win the race AFTER losing it to unlucky safety cars. Exactly the time denied him by Hamilton. I said I don't blame Hamilton. He has a lot of issues but he is a very good racer and an asset to the sport. Reminds me of Montoya.

    If you open your eyes, you will see that Hamilton nearly failed to complete lap 1 due to nobody else's fault but his own. His position at the time of the team orders was almost equally due to his driving skill and the safety cars reordering the race. After the spun he had the cheek to radio in and blame the brakes. Engineers had to tell him they were cold..
     
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  50. oztennisfan

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    they are battling for a championship. nico is living in fantasy land if he thinks lewis would move aside when he cant even catch him. he couldnt, if nico moved up right behind lewis im pretty certain he would have let him through, but not when he couldnt even catch him. the time lost behind jev cost nico as much as anything, it took lewis 2 corners to pass the toro rosso.

    the mistake that mercedes made was they put the wrong drivers on the wrong strategy. had they given lewis the softer tyres, he would have won, easily, and there would have been no need for any moving aside, lewis would have just passed him on the track, he is a much better wheel to wheel racer.

    no doubt lewis made a mistake at the start, but he made up for it.
     
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